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Foothills Park should be closed during the fire season if the fire station is not staffed 24/7

Original post made by Rick, Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2007

This issue is coming before the city council tomorrow, Monday at 7 PM and supporters of Foothills Park should show up to support fire protection for the park and surrounding Open Space areas.


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Posted by John M.
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 15, 2007 at 10:22 pm

Sure, as long as we don't have to expand the quantity of potential visitors (and load on the park's natural resources) by 15% just to get the fire protection we've always had ANYWAY.

btw, we already share the park, but it wouldn't hurt to share it more with LAH, for a visitor fee from LAH residents _as they attend_, ONLY if LAH officials agree to help pay for the fire staton, FIRST. No pay, no play. How about making back some of the investment Palo Altans put into that park - that's what the fee would cover. Any other community wanting "in" has to do the same. We pay fees to get nto other parks, why not this one?

Further, ANY agreement to share shuold NOT be given in perpetuity. Otherwise, long-term, FHP will be overrun, guaranteed (I cn heat the 100db music parties - along with boistrous revelers. at 1:00AM, already - not to mention the slow degradation of the FHP environment, just what the donor DIDN'T want.

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Posted by Joel D
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 15, 2007 at 11:04 pm

What fees do you pay to get into what parks? Golden Gate, Central Park, Rancho San Antonio,
I'm not against fees but let's be neighborly to not nmbp. If ever there was a time to change the trend of "No, it's mine," to one of sharing this earth that belongs to us all it is now.

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Posted by JT
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 16, 2007 at 6:30 am

How do you plan to close the park? I watched on Saturday morning as a whole group of bicyclists swept down Page Mill Road at high speed and entered the park through the exit gate, not one of them was stopped. Local residents hike in all the time. There is no way you can keep people out of the park.

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Posted by Park Closures
a resident of Professorville
on Jul 16, 2007 at 7:53 am

By extension ALL parks in California should be closed if they do not
have fire service.

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Posted by Fireman
a resident of another community
on Jul 16, 2007 at 10:34 am

I fail to understand how the public is missing the fact that all this talk about funding Station #8, along with other cuts to services would not be an issue with out the Gross Mismanagement of public funds. I can speak about the Fire Department. Millions of dollars have been wasted, then covered up. Maybe they do not care? Maybe they feel that nothing can be done about it? Have thing gotten to far out of hand to be fixed? If one wants to find the truth out ask,look,listen,investigate. Do not leave this up to the crimanals who have gained from there actions of miss leading the public and hiding the truth..

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Posted by In support of the union
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 16, 2007 at 1:45 pm

Fireman, either name specifc examples of _proven_ malfeasance, or stop spamming these forums with unproven allegations. Maybe there has been malfeasance, but your dozens of accusing posts have not shown this to be the case.

That aside, it's time for the union _leadership_ to get wise, and stop entrnching themselves on the issue of insisting that only senior fire personnel man Station 8. The union has my support, but lately, every time I hear the unmovable positions on this issue, it makes me want to write a letter to the union's MEMBERS, so that they can realize that some citizens are fed up with union _leadership_ posturing.

Remember the auto and steel workers unions? Remember how outdated and unmoving leaders - and endless posturing - DESTROYED the leverage of those unions. Think about that, firemen - and get your leaders back on track so that you don't find yourselves and the risks you take marginalized by a union politico.

And good luck out there! Be safe!

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Posted by FHP Love
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 16, 2007 at 2:17 pm

The park should not close due to 'inadequate' fire protection. It should become, if anything, a 'use at your own risk' park.

How little coverage is proposed? The single truck being present (or not) at station 8 is not going to make much difference.

For very small fires, the ranger trucks at the park are equipped with water and firefighting gear. They can be first responders.

Also, I'm not wild about opening it up to other residents of other cities.

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Posted by Tired
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 16, 2007 at 3:06 pm

There areas are already protected. If a fire would break out, having a single truck isn't going to make much of a difference. Keep in mind that the second fire at Stanford happened when the area was closed. Having people there might even allow for the early reporting of a fire.

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Posted by Tim
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 17, 2007 at 1:04 pm

It would make difference if a fire started next to the park and your home was in the path of the fire. A small ranger truck is not going to be able to protect your home like a 500 gallon/large fire hose/large fire pump/ THREE firefighters-fire engine would. Just like the one that is at the Foothills Park Station went it is staff.
Remember the 1985 fire (11 homes loss). That is why the Foothills Park Station was built.

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Posted by Fireman
a resident of another community
on Jul 17, 2007 at 2:35 pm

Tim a Brush rig can make a differance. A fire will double in size every 5min or less. If you can get to it fast you can handle it. Wait to long and it will be unstopable. I told you the story about the brush rig we had in the PAFD. When we got to the fire we could of handled it with the small unit. It was junk and would not start the fire burned right past turnning into walls of 50 foot flames. I was on duty for the Fire you mentioned. I thought here we go again. see the new rig was lost for 2 years. when it was found it was close to 3 years old when we put it into service.. The City type Fire engines can not go off road,are to big to work with on wildland fires for the most case..

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Posted by John
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 17, 2007 at 3:19 pm

"Remember the 1985 fire (11 homes loss). That is why the Foothills Park Station was built."

Tim, Not only do I remember it, I know several people who watched it. The first responder should have been the firehouse on Hanover, not Foothill Park. There was no stopping that one. Once a fire starts in high oats, with a wind, it is very fast and very hot.

That 1985 fire has no real value, as a political arugment, with respect to the FHP debate.

Hint: If ones wants to prevent one's home from being devoured in a wildland fire, clear one's land of fuel, build with stucco and have a fire-resistant roof.

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Posted by PA Firefighter
a resident of another community
on Jul 17, 2007 at 9:13 pm


Station 8 fire rig can go off road. The rig from Hanover station can not. The last wildland fire (Foothill Expressway) about a week ago, the rig from Station 8 made a difference in putting out that fire. Note: the first rigs on the scene (in 1985) were from Hanover - Station 2 and Arastradero- Station 5. I know, I was on-duty that day.

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Posted by Fireman
a resident of another community
on Jul 18, 2007 at 2:07 pm

Yes P.A fireman, I was on duty that day also. Engine#2.. This whole saga about openning Sta#8,Getting the Paramedic program in a condition that the Citizens have paid for.IE staffing 2 paramedic rigs. How much time/money and effort was wated on the Paramedic engine program that was so screwed up by Fire Admin That the citizen paid over 1 million $ for junk, A reseve Truck that we paided for that we can not use most of the time needed, How the union has been so corupt/on the take for years,selling out the members along with the public. Screwing over employee after employee. This is not rocket stuff.. Are leaders are lost in space. The Fire Dept has 2 to 3x the management as it should.. One could save at least 1 million a year on Cheif's. How many safety issues for how many years. What a joke.. Do you have a SCBA that Fits and hooks to every other one in the dept, or are you the one who got the short end of the stick,Got boots, have to ride on a Hi-Tech. Had to fight the city for every thing,because they have wasted so much $ that is is eaiser to get it from the emplyees then to admitt to wasteing it The firfighters need to stand up and let the public know how screwed up it is. its not there fault.. FIRE ADMIN/management,City managers have dropped the ball for many years. They are the ones who control overtime, the money,cut the services by wasteing $,misleading the public.. Any money issue is theres.. We just ride around on little red trucks trying to help people.. The union has been on the take for many years ...even before sandbag scandels. This is a basic part of what the citizens of Palo Alto should get.. This is not like trying to slove world hunger,polution,why the hell people keep killing other people.. Don't you ever get sick of looking the other way???

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Posted by Fireman
a resident of another community
on Jul 18, 2007 at 2:22 pm

The world she is not FLAT, The wheel has been a round for a very long time; Clue For the management of Palo Alto it looks like a donut. So why spend millions of dollars, hire cheif and consultants to try and reinvent it.

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