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Police arrest man, 75, for threats over aerobics class

Original post made on Jul 11, 2013

A 75-year-old man who was angry about noise from an aerobics class was arrested on Wednesday, July 10, for allegedly threatening to shoot the manager of an apartment complex where the classes occur, Palo Alto police said.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, July 11, 2013, 5:07 PM

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Posted by Katie
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm

Who moved in there first the tenant or the aerobics class?

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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm

Come on, it doesn't matter who moved in first. You still can't knock people to the ground and threaten to murder them.

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Posted by Big Al
a resident of another community
on Jul 11, 2013 at 11:39 pm

Resident is right. You can't threaten and push people around. That's aggressive behaviour, and worthy of a felony or two. The old man needs to settle down. If he thinks that Zumba class is loud, that ain't nothing. I've had PG&E in my backyard just about the whole summer now, doing work on there freaking pipelines, and this goes on all day long. And this is the second time; they were here for several months earlier. So settle down pops, and if you want a quiet retirement spot, head to the desert, but don't expect any quiet days around here. Anything can and will happen.

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Posted by Loved there once
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 12, 2013 at 2:32 pm

We actually lived in the Oak Creek Apartments several years ago when we were looking to buy a home in Palo Alto. At that time, there were other classes, such as Feldenkrais a d Step Aerobics, being held there. The mamagement shut down the Step Aerobics class, after three warnings, because of the noise, which was less than what a Zumba class would produce.

These are expensive apartments, and in the past, the management has been very sensitive to residents' complaints.

The arsonist was wrong for attempting murder, but I am surmised the apartment managers did not shut down the Zumba class, as it would be a very loud class just by its nature dft loud music, instructor shouting above the music, and participants shouting throughout their workout. It is a fun, but rowdy, interactive class--I have taken it at 24 Hour Fitness!

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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jul 13, 2013 at 10:56 am

When people are angry, it can be easy to provoke them into committing criminal threats or assault. Those with children know it can be difficult to determine who instigated an incident. Blame disproportionately falls on the intellectually or emotionally disadvantaged party.

If my livelihood or avocation was bothering someone and complaints could get me shut down, a well-placed smirk on my part could get the complainer to lash out and lose all credibility.

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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:05 am

If someone is so "intellectually or emotionally disadvantaged" that they attack and threaten to murder people who smirk at them, then they deserve to be locked up.

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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jul 13, 2013 at 11:42 am

The jails aren't big enough.

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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Jul 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm

Where are all of the critics who looooove to lambast the criminals in EPA? Do they hide when one of their own "misbehaves"?

While Musical makes an excellent point, here's a pov: Someone who can afford to live in Oak Creek Apts should have the resources & wherewithal to pursue the complaint in a legal fashion, rather than resorting to criminal behavior. I feel for the man, though. Noise pollution is very detrimental. Were there other mental health issue that factored into his behavior? I'd hate to see someone who'd been a productive member of society spent the rest of his life in jail for this act. It's very sad.

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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2013 at 10:55 am

Noise can make you crazy.
The guy has a right to the enjoyment of his home.
They should have cancelled the aerobics class if they cannot find some place to do it where it does not disturb people.
It's not cool to make threats or attack people,
but maybe he was ridiculed, tormented or humiliated
or driven to it in some way.

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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 14, 2013 at 11:01 am

Can't believe that so many people are defending the attacker. He was one step away from Trayvoning the woman. If he actually killed her, would you have found him not guilty? She certainly did not deserve to die or even be threatened with death.

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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2013 at 12:34 pm

> many people are defending the attacker.

Trying to see things from all points of view is not a bad thing, and also does not mean that anyone agrees with the ???? attacker ??? What attack are you referring to?

The way I read that was that it was not an attack, it was an accident. Losing one's cool is never good. The guy did lose it big time ... and since i was not there, and neither were you, neither of us can say that he was about to "Trayvon" anyone. This man was 73 years old ... what are his prior incidences of violence or assault? Anything?

That is how things get out of control by the way. It is easy to pop off and exaggerate like that on the Internet without consequence, but consider that if Trayvon had been warned or even threatened, he might be alive today. That was a really poor way to try to make a point.

Someone up there previously said " Blame disproportionately falls on the intellectually or emotionally disadvantaged party. " ... which I think is an interesting thing to keep in mind. We like to label and "convict someone of being "emotionally disadvantaged" once they have lost their cool, but just about anyone in the wrong circumstances can be pushed or driven into losing it. People who are stressed can be taken advantage of this way and then they look guilty or guiltier in this case.

Since I don't know I am just speculating that when I am in my old-man-hood, I hope I don't have to live in a place that I spend to much for and then do not get the consideration I should when it comes to a complaint. A lot of these apartment or community development things come down to politics and cliques.

Personally, I am not defending losing one's temper or threatening violence and I do not really mean to make light of this. [Portion removed.]

I guess both sides of an issue are not adequately portrayed by just looking at the arrest results.

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Posted by Meredith
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 14, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Does Ed get to publish his side of the story? Some of the management here are hard to deal with. If I were a 75 year old man and noisy Zumba classes were booming right outside my window everyday and no one would listen to me I'd be very upset. Especially with the rent prices here..oak creak notoriously high. The poor guy just lost it for a moment . He deserves a slap on the wrist but this was not a hold up situation. I might even counter sue for age discrimination. Why else wouldn't they listen to his complant and do something about it? Didn't he matter???

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