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On-call nurses allege they must sleep in cars

Original post made on Feb 15, 2013

The Jan. 23 burglary of a Lucile Packard Children's Hospital nurse's car while she slept in it has become a lightning rod for nurses who allege hospital managers are not providing the safe sleeping quarters required by their union contract.

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Posted by Wayne Martin
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Feb 15, 2013 at 10:09 am

> But a number of nurses said they were never told
> about the contract provision.

When these nurses voted on the contract, comments like this one make one wonder if they actually read the contract, and had any idea what they were voting for?

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

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Posted by What is this really about
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 15, 2013 at 11:04 am

What this is really about is upcoming contract negotiations between the nurses and the hospital. They are trying to build a case for more pay and benefits and undoubtedly will want to threaten a strike.

Someone should go check the details on this story as there wasn't a gun involved and she made that part up so one can't trust anything else she says either. Wouldn't be surpirsed if this were a complete fabrication since the gun part is complete rubish.

How about some investigative reporting here. Doesn't take much to find the real facts!

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Posted by David Pepperdine
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 15, 2013 at 12:47 pm

Sure doesn't sound like this is a priority for the hospital. I guess as long as the administrators get their bonuses, the nurses can look after themselves.

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Posted by RealNursesAreBest...
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 15, 2013 at 1:03 pm

We just need REAL Nurses.
If other nurses are sick, then they should have a TIME that they know how many nurses have to to be on work, and if any other on-calls, the security will walk the RN to the hospital entry.

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Posted by Just another Nurse
a resident of Barron Park
on Feb 15, 2013 at 2:29 pm

I have to laugh about the poster who is linking this security issue with ongoing contract talks. There are far bigger issues like chronic under staffing, some of the worse health care benefits of any hospital in the area, etc etc.

The hospital forces the nurses in the operating room to pick up extra "call" time above their already full time work schedule. Many are forced to sleep in cars because after a 18 hour day they are not able to drive home safely.

While the hospital spokesman paints a rosy picture the reality is that when asked for a sleep room, it can take 2-3 hours to get one. SO many simply skip that step in the hopes of getting a few more winks.

Nurses (as do other staff) pay almost $1000 a year to park at the facility. You would expect that basic security would come with that cost. But what it comes with is finger pointing and rapid assignment of blame at any direction OTHER than the hospital.

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Posted by What is this really about
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 15, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Lets remember that many of the nurses at Stanford including my fiancee make $60, $70, $80 an hour depending on experience. They get shift differential of 10% for swing shift, 18% for night shift, and extra pay to work weekends, extra pay to work on call etc.

Lets not feel too sorry for these folks in this economy.

But back to the real issue. There was no gun in the bogus security report. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

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Posted by diogenes
a resident of another community
on Feb 15, 2013 at 3:28 pm

re: a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood.....

if you are so knowledgeable-why don't you post your name to

give yourself some credibility???

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Posted by What is this really about
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 15, 2013 at 5:39 pm

Why should i post my name so you can attack me.

The facts speak for themselves. Go look at the Crona contract for their pay and benefits. I love the fact that my fiancee makes excellent money. I would juts be smart if others stopped complaining about it.

Regarding this alleged gunman lets just have the press do something and get the police report.

When you have the truth you dont need anything else!!

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Posted by XRN
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Feb 15, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Having worked for Stanford, and Packard is part of Stanford, I know that they are real cheapskates. They blame all their care shortcomings on the nursing shortage, yet they do not hire enough nurses. This has created a crisis in care and at times like now, when there is a flu epidemic. The nurses they have now are badly overworked and underpaid, yet Stanford is much more expensive than El Camino, in spite of the fact that Stanford ( not Packard) is on par with Kaiser in (lack of ) quality of care.

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Posted by Mike
a resident of University South
on Feb 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm

How about we get off the Nurses, as they are the ones that take care of our ill, exposing theirselves to illnesses without complaints. All she seems to ask for is some safety.

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Posted by Oh Please
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 15, 2013 at 8:01 pm

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Posted by L & D RN, Packard Hospital
a resident of Mountain View
on Feb 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm

First of all, to both of you who accused the nurse who was mugged of lying and making up the FACT that her attacker was armed, SHAME ON YOU!!! How dare you accuse a victim of a crime of making up something such as, this all in the name of negotiating for more money?!! Maybe the question you should really be asking is WHY the details about the mugger being armed were left out of the police report. I, for a fact, know that this information was disclosed to the officer. This has absolutely nothing to do with money. It has to do with safety. And by the way, the nurse who initially contacted the media was not the nurse who was attacked. We give our time as nurses and devote our lives day in and day out taking care of your families. The clear and very concerning issue here is the hospital's lack of accountability and provision for the safety of the nurses, staff, patients and visitors who come onto Stanford property. It's so sad that you completely missed the point. You would both serve hospital administration very well.

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Posted by Concerned staff
a resident of Green Acres
on Feb 15, 2013 at 9:16 pm

The nurse did not lie. I know her personally and she is someone who does not like to make waves usually. I myself am not a nurse, but I work at Packard Hospital. This is not a contract issue; it is a security issue.
I think that instead of blaming the nurse (who is a very caring and talented RN), the hospital administration should reach out to brainstorm together with the nurses and staff to find a good solution. The construction work has been very disruptive for patients and staff and security issues are everyone's problem.
I would challenge the hospital to come up with nurse on-call rooms and show them to the press so that we can all see the improvements.

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Posted by What is this Really About
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 15, 2013 at 11:08 pm

Youre right silly me.

I'm sure she just forgot in the early days of reporting this to her friends and the police that the guy had a gun.

It's a small fact that anyone could leave out of what happened to them.

Im sorry. Forgive me for even suggesting any of this.

My appoligize.

Will someone please do some investigative reporting on this!!!

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Posted by A Noun Ea Mus
a resident of Professorville
on Feb 16, 2013 at 9:12 am

I knew reading the headlines, before even delving into the story and the responses, that many of Palo Alto's finest elitists would be chiming in with modern day variants ala "if their cars aren't safe let them sleep on cake". You did not disappoint. But then Madame Guillotine may one day be "The One Per Cent Solution"...mix some French History and English lit twist

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Posted by L & D RN, Packard Hospital
a resident of Mountain View
on Feb 16, 2013 at 9:30 am

To: A resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis

I think you've got an incredibly bright idea. Do some investigative reporting yourself. YOU figure out why PAPD omitted details from a police report. You should be very concerned to be a resident of this community and know that your very own police department failed to include all details of a crime that involved weapons. Wonder how often this happens? Guess the police have selective hearing when they gather details of crimes. Wouldn't really want anyone to know that a crime of such nature occurred on/near.......gasp.............Stanford property!

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Posted by PRN
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Feb 18, 2013 at 1:35 am

PRN is a registered user.

To those that think that Nurses are overpaid and this is just a ploy related to negotiations.
I feel that you post out of the comfort of your home anonymously without having any true knowledge of what happens behind closed doors of this wonderful institution. What if you were the one that had been robbed and people were judging you for your report of the crime and were then called a liar? Bottom line is, gun or no gun, thefts are happening and the safety of ALL employees is at risk. People love gossip and conspiracy, but this comes down to one simple concept and that is that people should not have to feel unsafe while at work. That this story was about a nurse and there are ongoing contract negotiations is sheer chance. Have some compassion and understanding. This is an issue that essentially should concern all members of the community.
To adress the hourly pay of nurses. Nurses that make 80/hr tend to be nurses that are highly specialized, experienced, and have been working as nurses for decades. These are not nurses that just graduated. It takes a lot of time, work and dedication to get to that point. In this economy, more times than not, this is the only income a family might have. As you all know this is barely enough to make ends meet in the bay area-specially now with the tax increases. So please, do not judge without having a clear understanding of what is REALLY going on.

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