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Board to discuss stiffer graduation requirements

Original post made on May 8, 2012

The Palo Alto school board tonight will discuss a proposal to stiffen high school graduation requirements, and to offer customized "alternative requirements" for students who do not wish to meet them.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 9:47 AM

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Posted by Dean
a resident of Midtown
on May 8, 2012 at 11:37 am

Again, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm a former mid-towner (Cubberley '67)

80% of students meeting or exceeding UC/CSU requirements is very admirable, higher than most school districts I'm sure, but that would be expected from PAUSD.

Palo Alto should recognize that not all students are college bound.

(I have one college grad, one in college, and a son who abhored the traditional learning system in HS, yet graduated, and is now is co-owner of a multi-state security alarm business headquartered in North Carolina. Each weekend in the fall he attends games at my college in Virginia and all the other college grads around our tailgate are amazed he is not a Tech grad...)

The 20% do need a viable alternate path that prepares them for either a skilled blue collar occupation that is in demand (electical, plumbing, etc.) or white collar (an entry level computer industry job requiring skills but not global aptitude).

Let's not get hung up over ethnicity. The parents of those 20% just want their son/daughter to have the skills to secure a job and/or the ability to be self-employed (e.g., course work/instruction in how to write a business plan, complete a loan app, basic business law---I remember a great busienss course Mr. Rosenberg taught along those lines at Cubberley!)

Graduating employable students in the 20% should be a worthy goal---PA is doing a fine job with the 80% who chose the college route.

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Posted by Parent
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm

I don't think that this is a good idea.

What about SPED students who may not be able to pass the foreign language requirement?

Now they will receive a second-class high school diploma?

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Posted by Nancy
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on May 8, 2012 at 1:59 pm

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 8, 2012 at 2:38 pm

This is not necessarily helping anyone.

Take foreign language as an example, for many good students, foreign language is difficult but it doesn't mean that they are not good students or not college bound.

For students who are good at social studies and English, but find math and science particularly difficult, it does not help them, and they still want a college education also.

Or, am I missing something?

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Posted by gunn parent
a resident of Barron Park
on May 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm

Parent and Resident, students will have an opportunity to get the same standard dipolma as everyone else using the Alternative Graduation requirements pathway.

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Posted by pffff
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on May 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm

More nonsense in this school district, as if there was not enough as is... I am so looking forward to my children being done with this school district. A couple more years to hang in there.

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Posted by Nancy
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on May 8, 2012 at 10:53 pm

My comments were removed but I have not posted on this thread prior. Error!

This is a BAD idea to consider. What about the right-brained students? Math and world language are not easy for everyone. If they make them requirements, they ought to dumb-down world language, which is doubtful. Publicize the UC requirements, but let the students decide for themselves. We are a public school district, not private. Math and world language are not required to be successful. I know plenty of nerds who are intelligent but unsuccessful.

I thought PAUSD wants to lower stress for students. Apparently not.

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Posted by Different Tune?
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on May 9, 2012 at 6:03 am

Noticing a pattern here: the dissenting voices come out of the wood-work in full-force AFTER the decision basically has been made. Seriously, the Daubers and the We Can Do Better group were flooding the boards for the past three months with this idea and NOW people think it's a bad idea? I know there were some people disagreeing with them on the other threads but I wonder if this will be like the calendar change--the majority of people don't know what's happening until it's really too late and can't make an impact and then the board gets hammered by outraged people AFTER the decision has been made. The board needs to hear from everyone before they make a decision and not just assume that silence is complacence or approval. There needs to be a better mechanism for polling opinion and receiving input. Please don't assume that people not attending meetings or not posting here just don't care enough or aren't willing to put their time in, so "oh well and too bad for them."

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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greater Miranda
on May 9, 2012 at 6:43 am

Setting an opt-out standard to make sure every kid has on his/her schedule courses which will meet UC requirements is fine. There actually may have been a few kids in the past who "didn't know" what they should take to try for a UC. However, building in an "opt out" for kids who clearly are not on a UC path is even better.

I have no problem with this solution. Not all kids are meant for UCs ( or even colleges). My only concern is that somehow the "alternative degree" will be perceived as a "lesser" degree or a "degree for the stupid" or some such nonsense. But, there is nothing we can do about that except try to honor with our words and our deeds the fact that we need all kinds of people in our world to survive. Engineer PhDs and plumbers both have extreme value. How many PhDs can fix their leaky sink? How many plumbers can design a bridge to drive over to get to their job? How many bridge designers can actually build the bridge?

You get the point.

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Posted by Maria
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 9, 2012 at 8:11 am

Attending school in Germany prior to WWII we always had the option of attending an "academic" high school preparing us for the university or a "trade" high school offering a variety of classes from bookkeeping and cooking/nutrition to carpentry and plumbing. One foreign language was required of all, starting in grade 5. This resulted in an educated labor force on all levels. And all graduates knew how to read and write, add, subtract, multiply and divide! So what's with the obsession in this country with attending college? Not everybody wants to, esp. if there are good alternatives.

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Posted by
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 am


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Posted by board
a resident of Palo Verde
on May 9, 2012 at 10:31 am

our board only needs to look at the money and where it comes from.

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Posted by palo alto mom
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Maria - I totally agree with you, but in Palo Alto, there is no real alternative after high school except college. We don't prepare our students for anything else.

If we are changing our grad requirements, they should accurately reflect what most colleges look for. For example, we require 4 years of history, colleges don't. We require living skills (which does not teach any actual "living skills" unless you were lucky enough to have Mr. Knight when he taught it.)

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Posted by Parent
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Colleges don't require P.E. either, but the state of California does.

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Posted by palo alto mom
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm

In addition to requiring 4 years of Social Science (the State requires 3 years, college require 2), we require BOTH Visual/Performing Art AND Career Voc Ed (State requires on or the other, college require Visual/Peforming Art. That is 2 classes that students could use to pursue something they are passionate about instead.

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