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Trouble in Denmark

Original post made by Ready Kilowatt, Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Dec 18, 2009

As a fan of Obama I want my President to lead, but my disappointment with him is has been measured by his lack of achievements.

Now we have him swooping into Denmark to save the planet. There seems to be some problems here.

The Russians confirm the UK Climatologist maniputlated data to exaggerate global climate change. There are some historical cold war facts to understand here and there is an indication from the past how Russia will act to protect its own interests. I for one would not want the Russians thinking I would be taking Rubles out of the pocket of the world's largest oil producer with my fake data.

The Chinese don't want anyone to interfere with their profit margin. To them pollution is just the cost of doing business.

The Saudis are not interested in any thing that would slow down their oil business.

And now we have Castro's opinion where he said: "The summit "is blind selfishness of a rich and privileged minority that intents to impose the bulk of the necessary sacrifices on the immense majority of planet inhabitants,"

Who knew Castro was a Republican?

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Posted by Gary's Perspective of Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 18, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Web Link

"LONDON – E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press."

How do the Russians confirm that the data was faked?
Seems to me the only fake data is in the posting above.

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Posted by R
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Dec 18, 2009 at 3:23 pm

Castro (and Chavez and China ...) want the West to give gigantic sums of money to the rest of the world.

How can you confuse that with being a Republican?

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Posted by Chris
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 18, 2009 at 3:43 pm

President Obama already has one major achievement -- reversing the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld endorsement of torture. For that alone he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.

On the subject of climate, by calling for more research, Obama has already achieved something -- a turn towards science, in opposition to those who already know the answers. As a moderate, I find it odd that many right/left people expect any president to instantly snap his fingers and change things that took many years to get the way they are. Our system of checks and balances is designed to moderate rapid changes in public opinion and governance. Personally, I think that is a good thing. If you don't like it, move to one of many countries where one election can be a massive political about face.

On the subject of the economy, and the federal debt, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but, it is going to take 10-15 years to repair the damage caused by the Bush deficits and the Crash of '08. No one could turn that around overnight.

On the subject of our wars -- be careful what you are asking for. There we were, in 2001, fat, dumb, and happy, thinking that everyone in the world loved us. Democrats *and* Republicans thought we were spending too much on intelligence. Who would have guessed what was about to happen?

Oh, yeah -- Fidel Castro *has* been the best friend Florida Republicans ever had. He's kept doing things to elect them year after year, when he could easily have reconciled Cuba and the U.S.

In short -- give the President some time. If we are unlucky, we will know in eight years that he was a poor president. If we are lucky, we may have to wait 30 years to realize how good he was.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 18, 2009 at 4:04 pm

When the science does not match one's own opinion of 'global warming', then rename the phenomenon as 'climate change'. The liberated emails only support the notion that this entire thing is a huge agenda-driven farce.

The AP article essentially delivers the fraud that is involved but, true to form, it concludes that there is no bottom-line doubt about global warming (or is it climate change?). The AP, and its hand-picked set of scientists (who have a pro warmie agenda), simply recapitualtes the agenda that it supports. If Richard Lindzen had been on its review panel, the AP would not know what to would be left with that deer-in-the-headlights look that Obama showed in Copenhagen, today.

Sarah Palin is absolutely correct. Stop this thing in its tracks and try to find an independent commision of experts (if that is possible) to actually analyze the data. Palin is looking better all the time!

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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 18, 2009 at 6:01 pm

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 18, 2009 at 6:22 pm

It is always amusing to listen to the leftists degrading Palin. She was the first to predict death panels, then they came true (breast cancer panel). She sees through the climate change hysteria, and it wasn't her emails that were liberated, it was the CRU/IPCC stuff. The problem that the left has with Palin, when they are not being Trigg Truthers (her son was really her grandson), is that she is so much more intelligent than them. Envy is a serious emotional problem, best solved with a good shot of humility.

Sarah Palin has led the way, in the current political context, and I think she will be heard on this global warming fraud. She is not the next Galileo, but she supports him, while the left is busying itself with support of the Inquistion.

It delights me that the left has bought into global warming and Palin bashing. The more, the better, becasue it will only promote the freedom agenda.

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Posted by Yrag
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 18, 2009 at 6:31 pm

According to her father, palin left the u of Hawaii because there were too many Asians and pacific islanders there. A fine example she is. I am surprised that anyone believes her death panel nonsense and it is more nonsensicle that Gary makes outlandish claims that would palin to shame.

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Posted by bal
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 18, 2009 at 6:39 pm

isn't Palin's dad a Science teacher?

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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 18, 2009 at 6:40 pm

At least Obama stood up to China, a bit difficult as they own our debt

Krauthammer’s Take

I think Copenhagen will go the way of Kyoto, and that means nothing of importance will come out for a simple reason, the American people aren’t stupid — as they said in 1999, by a vote of 97-0 in the Senate to the Clinton administration, they are saying to the Obama administration, and it’s listening.

The American people will not accept an agreement where we have serious cuts in carbon emissions imposed on the United States, which will mean a serious constriction of the U.S. economy, a lowering of our standard of living, if the Chinese (who are the largest CO2 polluters on the planet) and the Indians … do not accept limits, as they will not, because the result of that is

(a) there is no effect on warming — whatever coal plant America shuts down, the Chinese and Indians are going to open [another] and so there will be no effect on the climate – and

(b) it will, in effect, be a huge transfer of wealth and jobs out of the West, out of the American economy, into China and India.

Politicians are fleeing a freezing Denmark for a freezing DC, the parodies of Gores poem on the web are a hoot.

Global warming lobbyists, like Gore, should declare their financial interests in this matter, their personal energy use for their mansions, private jets etc.

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Posted by Ready Kilowatt
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 19, 2009 at 12:21 am

@Gary's Perspective of Sharon

From the Hadley Center for Climate Change at the British Meteorological Office in Exeter, Devon, England.

The Russians have revealed that the Hadley climatologist manipulated and tampered with Russian climate data, as Icecap reports (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project) and, because they depend on Hadley for the Russian data, the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) as well have fudged data.

The bottom line the Hadley's scientist cherry-picked data from Russian temperature monitoring stations in a manner that overrepresented urban stations (affected by urban heat island effect) and underrepresented rural, especially Siberian, stations. This was also done here in the US as well using stations claimed to be rural but in reality were stations at forest fire stations or ranger stations that were near paved roads, car parks or near electrical generators.

The consequence a fabricated, falsely strong signal of global warming for Russia, an area large enough to greatly affect the global average estimates. Hadley's mistreatment of the data created an apparent 2.06C rise in temperature since 1860, while the full Russian raw data show 1.4C rise instead.

You can claim anything you want but the last thing you would want is to have an angry bear sniffing around your fairy tails.

BTW: Why do you think the Russian hacked and exposed this hoax in the first place?

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 19, 2009 at 5:53 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

The first time I read the "Urban Heat Island Correction Factors" I was reminded of the guy interviewing applicants for a bookkeeper job. He asked "How much is 2 and 2?" The response was "How much do you want it to be?"
I repeat my challenge - Using Hansen's little black box, change the input to reflect the effect of any one change in our production/consumption and demonstrate the change in predicted output FOR THAT CHANGE. If we find that quadrupling the energy cost, thus effectively denying modern existence to half our population, yields BY THEIR OWN PROGRAM AN INSIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN OUTCOME, then scrap it.
Chris, you praise the President for removing the stain of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld torture from our escutcheon, then later suggest that reconciliation with Castro would be a good thing. Chris, ever hear about the Isle of Pines???

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Posted by Pesrpective
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 19, 2009 at 5:54 am

Good to have Gary back.

I quit trying...those who are still brainwashed into the mentality of "more government is good" regardless of topic will remain so, those who had ears to listen and minds to think have already begun the process of being de-programmed.

The de-programming is spreading throughout the nation in climate "change" and health "care" beliefs. Luckily we still have a few informed and intelligent Dems with consciences left in the Senate who are waking up and realizing that the agenda now in control of this nation is meant to destroy us, economically and in our security.

Like Gary said, the American people are not stupid. I believe they are waking up to the attempted takeover of their pocketbooks and their freedoms by hook or by crook.

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Posted by Commander McBragg
a resident of another community
on Dec 19, 2009 at 8:31 am

Actually, the way I read it, Palin left Hawaii because she got discriminated against for not being Asian or Pacific Islander. I really doubt that she was surprised that there were "too many Asians and Pacific Islanders" in Hawaii. If you've ever been to Hawaii, you would be aware of the anti-haole sentiment there.

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Posted by yrag
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Commander McBragg--you can read the articles:

Web Link
"But Palin's father, Chuck Heath, gave a different account to Conroy and Walshe. According to him, the presence of so many Asians and Pacific Islanders made her uncomfortable: "They were a minority type thing and it wasn't glamorous, so she came home." In any case, Palin reports that she much preferred her last stop, the University of Idaho, "because it was much like Alaska yet still 'Outside.' ""

Web Link
"Sarah Palin's Father: 'Minority Types' Led Her to Quit Hawaii College "

You can spin it anyway you want--I know the poor white girl was discriminated against--boo hoo. Poor Sarah, is just used to be surrounded by white people or people wearing white.

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Posted by good grief
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 19, 2009 at 1:09 pm

Good grief yrag, you actually believe the "source" of this "quote"?

Recommend Sarah's own words in "Going Rogue" ..try reading her book. If you insist on believing everything you hear, then..

I have some great swamp land in Florida I will call "Beach front" and sell to you.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2009 at 1:16 pm

The anti-white hatred in Hawaii is palpable. Not in the fancy hotels, of course, but on the streets and the public beaches.
If the same thing happened on the mainland, by whites against Asians, it would be a scandal. If Sarah Palin left Hawaii, because she did not want to put up with it, more power to her!

I should admit that I have not been over there since the early '80s, and maybe things have changed, but it was around that time that Palin was over there.

Palin also worked her way through college, and that was expected from her by her parents, and her culture. By contrast, Obama was a kid of privilege (Punahou!). Maybe that is why she has so much more grit than him. Ya think?

It would be great to have seen Palin and Lindzen in Copenhagen, reading that Inquisition the riot act! I would bet on Palin/Lindzen vs. Gore/Schneider.

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Posted by Yrag
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Good grief-- I stand by post. Obviously since it is true it exposes palin as a virulent racist
Gary- you admit you have not been in Hawaii since the 80s , so how do you know that "anti- white" hatred is palpable? This has to be one of your more ridiculous claims to date

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm

"it exposes palin as a virulent racist"

If Palin saw what I saw (murders of whites, constant taunts of "haole", corrupt police, travel warnings by various countries, etc.), she would have been wise beyond her years to escape that racism that was abundant.

I have heard that there was a cleanup campaign demanded by the large hotels, and other tourist interests. I hope they were successful, because it could not continue that way, and still attract tourists.

Anyway, back to was a sad affair, unnecessary. Maybe Palin can support a realistic climate conference, where the data is vetted ahead of time, and all serious voices are allowed to participate. This would mean that Al Gore would be excluded.

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Posted by Yrag
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2009 at 5:41 pm

Oh Gary, you are such a hoot with your " murders and taunting and corruption". This fantasy happened when??? 30 years ago?? Boy the stories you make up to "prove" a point!!!! Lol. Lol.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 19, 2009 at 6:22 pm


First let me say that I find your handle flattering (my name spelled backward, which describes well our view of life, apparently).

It was no fantasy, and yes it was about 30 years ago. Yes it was murder, and corruption and racist taunts. Canada was telling its citizens to avoid Hawaii, and made it very difficult for them to get their travel papers. This would have been the approximate period that Palin was over there. I gain more respect for her all the time. Thanks for bringing up the subject...I have had that one in my craw for quite a while.

However, we should be extolling Palin for her current wisdoms, including death panels and challenging the warmie hysteria.

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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Dec 20, 2009 at 1:08 pm

svatoid is a registered user.

Gary--I have to say that I enjoy your postings--purely for the entertainment value. Anything you say must be taken with a grain of salt. ÊI guess what you are trying to do is turn away the spotlight from Palin and her racist comments (which were provided by her father, no less) by claiming that there was anti-white racism in Hawaii back in the 80's? ÊHmmm--that sounds familiar--claim that you are a victim of racism because you are white.. Dosen't Rush Limbaugh use that technique all the time?
You claim that Canada was telling its citizens to avoid Hawaii, and made it very difficult for them to get their travel papers. ÊWhat travel papers are needed from the Canadian government for Canadian to travel to the US? Yes, they must apply for a visa, but that is from the US government. What travel papers are you referring to??? ÊYou really should get your story straight before you post it.

"However, we should be extolling Palin for her current wisdoms, including death panels and challenging the warmie hysteria. "
You call what comes out of Palin's mouth "wisdoms"? Her death panel comments have been shown to be untrue (do we actually expect anything close to the truth from Palin) and she knows nothing about global warming.

I don't expect an answer from you (you know why).

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 21, 2009 at 8:41 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Yes, Gary, why confound REVEALED TRUTH with the evidence of your own lying eyes? Reality is Racist!

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