Yes, believe it or not, even if you are owed a refund, in California, if you file late (even well within the time the IRS allows), the state will still fine you up to 25% of your total tax for that year just for sending you a demand letter.
One of the arguments I made in the case, hoping it would bring the whole issue up and perhaps resolve it for the future (and obviate wholesale riffling through my private life to establish reasonable cause), is that such punitive fines are Unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court has not only made landmark related rulings in recent years, but it has a consistent history of striking down civil fines as punitive when the fines vastly exceed the government's enforcement costs. (In this case the cost of sending the letter is "pennies" according to the FTB; the fine was over $1200.) The fine is also supposed to be relative to the harm done — it's debatable whether the state suffered any harm at all in this case, except for the benefit of the longer use of my money.
The state has actually made recent changes to the late filing penalty rules specifically because of the constitutionality issues — looking at the changes, I wonder if lawmakers even realized there was a separate demand penalty and late filing penalty.
Anyway, in their response the FTB cited a case having to do with Prop 5 in the California constitution, saying issues of constitutionality could not be argued before the board.
However, in 2004 - that's just a few years ago - the California Supreme Court ruled on a case that dealt narrowly with the issue of when that exact law was and wasn't applicable. The ruling specifically says that in cases where the state agency has quasi-judicial powers (as the BOE/FTB do), issues of constitutionality that have been ruled on in higher courts may be argued.
At any rate, at stake here is the possibility to argue against the demand penalty for Californians who have paid their taxes on time, but have to file late, and to get the state to bring the code more in line with the federal (which gives three years to file with no explanation needed if one is owed a refund). Right now, if you have reasonable cause, the only way to collect your money is to go through a really unreasonable process that is hardest on people who need the exception the most. That state has already acknowledged the need to bring the code in line with the IRS code for constitutionality purposes, but somehow overlooked the demand penalty. Lawmakers even in the past proposed getting rid of the demand penalty for taxpayers who are owed a refund, the FTB's own analysts calling it "excessively harsh," but they somehow haven't done it.
Our appeal and request for rehearing were denied; the BOE cited Prop 5 again and its history of not hearing any issues of Constitutionality as a result. They have refused to consider that the California Supreme Court clarified this issue specifically in 2004, saying that that they CAN rule whether the courts have judged something Constitutional or not. In my case, they should have looked at whether I made a good case that the higher courts have ruled on this issue, they should not have refused to consider it.
I feel this is a matter of principle, and I'm hoping the demand penalty can be challenged through this case. The BOE tax clinic took up the petition for rehearing pro bono, but in order to pursue this further, I need someone who can file a case in court.
Please, is anyone interested in taking this matter up as a matter of principle (i.e., pro bono)? I am not a lawyer, and can't afford to hire one for this. I am posting this anonymously; if you are able to help, please let me know your law firm so I can contact you, or if you prefer to maintain confidentiality on both sides on this list, I will post a one-time email contact.