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by Sharon, Midtown,
on Feb 21, 2012
We met Peter Gleick @ Stanford--he seemed sane--what is going on?
Any other academic who confessed to fraud and theft would lose tenure ASAP and be unemployable.
Here is something from your link:
>> To recap for those who weren't following along at home, last week, someone emailed a bunch of climate bloggers documents that purportedly came from the Heartland Institute, a think tank which has been active in promoting skepticism about global warming:
>> Dear Friends (15 of you):
>> In the interest of transparency, I think you should see these files from the Heartland Institute. Look especially at the 2012 fundraising and budget documents, the information about donors, and compare to the 2010 990 tax form. But other things might also interest or intrigue you. This is all I have. And this email account will be removed after I send.
So, like so many profitably industries the powers that be are aligning to oppose the science of global warming like the cigarette industry did with the medical case against tobacco and cigarettes.
I don't see anything wrong with stealing documents or releasing them to the public when done in a whistleblower role … like Wikileaks, remember them?
Anon, I have often said that accusations should not be made anonymously.
The preliminary steps of removing Peter Gleick from positions of authority and respect have begun:
1- he has 'resigned' from his position with the National Center for Science Education,
2- and his scientific ethics task force chairmanship(!) for the American Geophysical Union.
One wonders whether groups like the MacArthur Fellows Program and NAS will insist that Gleick cut all ties from them, as well.
Leaking documents from Heartland, like the amount the Koch brothers dump into that front to deny science for the monetary benefit of their oil companies, isn't exactly a bad thing.
The deniers will chortle over this, the same way the libs laugh at the moron O'Keefe and his bizarre attempts to cast aspersions.
According tonight's UK Guardian Gleick is about to be fired from his job
"Scientist who lied to obtain Heartland documents faces fight to save job
Pacific Institute 'deeply concerned' about Gleick's deception to obtain confidential documents--"
If Gleik where Stanford faculty he would have been fired and banned from campus for ethical violations, theft and fraud by now.
It is also clear now that Gleik is also guilty of forgery
Pretty ticked off about how the documents came to light.
Any comment on the CONTENT of the documents?
The content of the real stolen documents was unremarkable-- however they were confidential documents which were obtain by fraud and theft by Gleik --he has already confessed to these crimes.
If the company violated were Apple, Oracle, Google, HP etc- then Gleik would be in jail tonight and all his computers and records would be in police custody.
The 2 page document faked by Gleik was written by Gleik , according to forensic experts--it has his typical writing style and punctuation errors--it was writing through different software and originated in California--not Chicago.
The fact that Gleik forged a document and committed fraud is the final nail in the coffin of Gleiks career--he is now a pariah.
He will very probably end up in jail for a long time and will definitely end up bankrupt
--also the case now involves the FBI as there was interstate fraud and theft by Gleik
Unfortunately Gleik has severely damaged the reputations of the many decent, ethical scientists whom he conned.
Heartland is funded by Big Oil to attempt to discredit and attack Climate Change.
The documents give us a look into some of the shady dealings of Heartland and the biostitutes who take the oil money.
Such as "a senior policy analyst at the Department of the Interior, had broken rules by accepting a monthly stipend" from Heartland.
"Greenpeace has written similar letters of protest to six universities including Harvard, the University of Missouri, Michigan Technical University and Arizona State University in the US, and the University of Victoria and Lakehead University in Canada about scientists revealed to have received funds from Heartland to work on its big anti-IPCC effort.
...the funds violated conflict of interest regulations for government-funded research projects."
Unremarkable, yes, if one is wearing the same blinders as you.
Gleik now faces Federal and Local indictments for fraud, theft and forgery.
The respective Grand Juries are apparently now in motion
The Gleik civil case in which he is the defendant together with his company is in place--that is why his company has attempted to distanced itself from Gleiks act of fraud, theft and forgery--they put this statement on their company website on Wednesday
The Guardian, Nation, Atlantic etc have all called Gleik a fraud and said that the real documents are unremarkable
Gleiks faked and fraudulent 2 page document is what his -- now past--friends fear
Gleik is now a pariah in the scientific climate reasearch community
Gleik has destroyed the credibility of the AGW scientific community
YOU ARE A HERO GLEICK!
Sometimes, just like in the civil rights movement, you have to break the law until the law catches up with you. So much is at stake here!
Pity you got caught.
Sharon - you were asked about the content of what was released.
Funny line! <crickets>
so true !!! Sharon won't acknowledge the content (golly, shucks, it's "unremarkable" apparently because it doesn't fit her world view.)
It's a toxic subject these days, where one side won't even look at facts, or even discuss their former positions. McCain warned us of climate change, Palin was for cap and trade, both just 3 years ago. were they untruthful then, or untruthful now? We know Romney's untruthful all the time, he also flipped on climate change to court the tea party.
"No GOP candidates or policymakers want to touch the issue, and those of us trying to educate them are left frustrated," Kerry Emanuel, an atmospheric scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN <my emphasis>, told InsideClimate News. "Climate change has become a third rail in politics."
You do realize your posts are internally inconsistent. You claim Gleick is facing indictments and then say grand juries are meeting.
You can't have both. Oh, well, at least you quit pretending you were a lawyer a few years back.
Of course, I can't find independent sources for some of what you claim is happening. Seems to me that Gleick has *admitted* he phished to get access to e-mails and internal documents--deceptive, yes, but theft? Heartland and its cronies are claiming Gleick forged one document, but the evidence for that seems to be lacking at this point.
Many of the supposed repercussions you claim are happening seem to be, well, not actually happening.
And, yes, there's the problem of the actual content of Heartland's memos. <crickets> sums it up nicely.
Gleick faces being financially ruined by civil prosecution.
He is also liable to a criminal investigation-- as such falsification of documents is a well-known brand of white collar crime.
In addition he can face charges of interstate fraud, theft and forgery-Federal felonies
Gleick, a water expert, was today , suspended by the institute he has led for more than 20 years.
In most states, including Washington D.C., falsifying a document is a crime punishable as a felony.
The fact that he made interstate violations means that he can be prosecuted in any and all US States
He may serve jail time if convicted.
Gleick, as The Atlantic, New York Times etc- report is in very serious trouble indeed.
We are open minded about the AGW issue and had never heard of the libertarian Heartland Institute until this matter.
Our concern is that Gleick committed and confessed to theft and fraud.
According to NYT and The Atlantic he also committed forgery.
Gleick faces felony and misdemeanor criminal charges in many jurisdictions--50 in fact.
Gleick also faces major civil litigation in many jurisdictions.
Our main issue is that this scientist who confesses to fraud , deceit and theft should be ejected from the scientific community
-- Gleick has already confessed to those crimes
The issue of his forgeries is for the criminal courts to determine and punish
The documents at question, Sharon....
The content of the stolen documents have been review and reported by the NYT, The Atlantic, The Guardian etc
They found nothing remarkable in the genuine documents and all believe that the 2 page " strategy document" was forged by Gleick --that is why his own institute fired him tonight.
It is also why the EPA is reviewing and ending all grants to Gleick and his institute.
Fraud is fraud--whether it is ENRON, Madoff or Gleick --they go to jail.
If you have any issue with the document CONTENT then say what it is and quote the legitimate evidence from legitimate documents
Cockroaches run when the lights are turned on-you seem to mistake Gleick for a cricket
Take a science class to help you understand the difference
Fraud is fraud--theft is theft- forgery is forgery and Gleick committed all three
--otherwise why would his own institute fire him tonight?
"If you have any issue with the document CONTENT then say what it is and quote the legitimate evidence from legitimate documents"
I did, at the post: Feb 22, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Unremarkable, yes, if one is wearing the same blinders as you.
>> YOU ARE A HERO GLEICK!
I agree. The only way to get real information out of some of these organizations is to play tricks or steal it … I have no problem with that.
I read some of the coverage--and you're embellishing as is your wont. No charges have been made and, from what I've read, no grand juries have convened. Gleick has acknowledged phishing to get the e-mails, but has denied writing any and passing them off as someone else's work. Not really a case of document forgery of the sort that brings criminal prosecutions. Well, as I said ages ago, it's a good thing you no longer pretending to be a lawyer.
I asked you because what you were claiming was said was something that had little do with the reportage I had read.
For someone upset about falsehoods, I find your own disregard of the facts quite curious.
And, yes, your unwillingness to deal with the content of the e-mails is amusing.
This article by Steven F. Hayward annihilates the lame attempts to defend Gleick by the Warmists. It is gratifying to see that the greatest scientific fraud in recent history is finally entering its death throes, its fast-dwindling cohort of supporters having been winnowed down to a last alliance of the overtly mendacious and the hopelessly gullible.
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Heartland does not disclose it funders. Isn't that strange?
Part of the documents you call insignificant:
"The documents showed that the institute planned to provide climate sceptical materials to teachers in the USA to promote their ideas to school children. Furthermore, it can also be read, that climate sceptics were being paid by The Heartland Institute, namely the founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), physicist Fred Singer ($5,000 plus expenses per month), geologist Robert Carter ($1,667 per month) and a single pledge of $90,000 to meteorologist Anthony Watts." Web Link
Funny that Heartland now doesn't like leaked emails. They sang a different tune two years ago during climategate:
Very ironic. Or disingenuous. Or bald face liars. Choose your term.
In 2009, Heartland said:
"The release of these documents creates an opportunity for reporters, academics, politicians, and others who relied on the IPCC to form their opinions about global warming to stop and reconsider their position.... This is new and real evidence that they should examine and then comment on publicly."
Seems like they liked openness and transparency. What happened?
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