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California phases out new gas cars — so what's next for electric cars?

Original post made on Aug 27, 2022

California will revolutionize the car market by ending sales of new gas cars within 12 years, forcing car buyers to switch to electric cars.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Saturday, August 27, 2022, 8:56 AM

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Posted by Pete Johnson
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 27, 2022 at 9:46 am

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> "Under the mandate, electric cars must have a range of at least 150 miles on a single charge."

^ this is unacceptable mileage...imagine driving from Sacramento to San Diego along 1-5.

How many recharges will be required and how long per charging session?

And what about driving through remote rural areas? Will there be charging stations conveniently situated?

It is bad enough waiting in line at Costco to buy gas. Imagine the wait and time delays with hundreds of EVs trying to recharge at the same time.

While some might say that overnight charging at home will suffice, what about all of the people who reside in apartment complexes and condos?

I guess the only thing left to do is to consider buying a gas-powered vehicle before the 2035 mandate becomes effective.

For Baby Boomers (born between 1946-1964) this new law will most likely be immaterial as many will be deceased by then.

Posted by resident3
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 27, 2022 at 9:58 am

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how much you drive matters ...from a personal and policy perspective

Web Link
Who Should Drive an Electric Vehicle?
Targeting the wrong buyers—and producing more greenhouse-gas emissions


>>To build an electric-car battery, manufacturers need lithium, and to find lithium, they need the high-altitude salt flats of Bolivia, Chile, and Argentina. There, beneath turquoise brine lakes, is mud rich in manganese, potassium, borax, and lithium salts. It’s chemical- and water-intensive to isolate lithium from all that mud, and it takes even more energy to make a functional car battery from it. As a result, building a clean-burning EV battery is twice as greenhouse-gas-intensive as making a conventional internal combustion engine.

The high emissions buy-in of an EV “isn’t a dealbreaker,” Nunes says, because “an electric car is almost always cleaner to drive per mile, compared to a gasoline-powered one. However, to get that advantage, you need to ‘burn off’ the emissions associated with manufacturing the car.” A gas-powered car has an emissions head start, but once the EV is driven enough, it gains a “green lead” with its low per-mile emissions, Nunes says. “It’s this very odd situation where, paradoxically, you need to get people to drive more in order to get an emissions advantage”—the underpinning of his research with Woodley, published recently in Nature Sustainability.<<

Same with flying - to reduce impacts, it matters who is flying and how

France is looking to ban private jets

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Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Aug 27, 2022 at 1:33 pm

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Another California pipe dream. Car owners drive what they want to drive, and what they can afford to drive. I will never own an EV because I don't want one. Pollution, fossil fuels and emissions aside, an EV is too quiet. Small children, dogs, cats and even adults need to hear you coming. Back up cameras help the driver, but cars need to be heard. It's common sense.

Posted by Mondoman
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 27, 2022 at 1:48 pm

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If Tahoe-area car dealers on the Nevada side are smart, they will start offering combo buy-a-car/enjoy beautiful Lake Tahoe/drive home in your new car packages, like BMW and others used to do in Europe.

Posted by John
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 29, 2022 at 9:34 am

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Meanwhile, here in SoCal for the weekend suffering through rolling blackouts to support an already overtaxed, insufficient electrical grid. Just like crime and the bullet train to nowhere, this is yet another thing our single party state is dead wrong on and will hurt us in the long term. Like crime, I guess we’re not smart enough to anticipate consequences and will learn from experience.

Posted by Dean Samos
a resident of Los Altos
on Aug 29, 2022 at 10:33 am

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@Jennifer, EVs are required to produce sounds when they are below a specific speed:
"The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued its final ruling in February 2018, and requires the device to emit warning sounds when travelling at speeds less than 18.6 mph (30 km/h) with compliance by September 2020, but 50% of "quiet" vehicles must have the warning sounds by September 2019."

Posted by Consider Your Options.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 29, 2022 at 10:45 am

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Just bought an e-bike for local cargo hauling and trips with hills. (I'm over 60.) Love this thing! We are getting ready to ditch our second car.

Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 29, 2022 at 11:17 am

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Current power grid cannot keep up with demand. So let's force everyone to buy electric cars. Who woulda thunk?

Posted by Dean Samos
a resident of Los Altos
on Aug 29, 2022 at 11:40 am

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Power grid will be improved! Who woulda thunk?

Posted by Concerned Neightbor
a resident of Triple El
on Aug 30, 2022 at 6:29 pm

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@Dean Samos.
How exactly will the power grid be improved?
By closing more power plants, including the existing nuclear?
Are you aware of a viable plan?
I wonder if any of the activists who promote this are aware of the laws of energy conservation and also that battery production is a great polluter, (some say more dangerous to the environment than gasoline burning.)

Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Aug 31, 2022 at 9:23 am

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EVs, all-electric homes, etc. should be optional. Newsom is running ads - "Come to California for freedom." California ranks in the bottom 10 states for "personal freedom." At least we're not last - that would be New York.

You can't drink out of a straw, you can't buy a salad in a plastic container, you can't live more than 2 miles from a grocery store, police officers can't arrest a suspect of another race, etc. etc. etc. Everything is wrong, and everything needs fixing according to a certain political leaning.

Come to terms with your micro-managing, control freak behavior and you'll understand why this behavior alienates the rest of us. Mature adults work hard to get ahead, and we're being treated like we're in the seventh grade.

Somebody has to say it. I just did.

Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2022 at 10:07 am

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The recent overnight power outage in major parts of Palo Alto caused EVs to stop charging. Many people depend on that overnight charge to give them power for the following day's business and personal driving. Without many hours of chargetime, those cars did not have enough power for the following day.

Unless our power supply can be improved, an overnight outage is going to cause chaos to those who depend on EVs. It doesn't matter how many incentives we are given to go electric, without a dependable power supply those cars will become useless to their owners.

And I do agree with Jennifer above.

Posted by Sanjay Chopra
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 31, 2022 at 10:13 am

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We own a Tesla and it is by far one of the best vehicles we have ever owned.

America owes a touch of gratitude to visionary Elon Musk who's selfless devotion to clean energy made it all possible.

Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 31, 2022 at 2:55 pm

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During TODAY's Flex Alert due to the current heat wave, owners of electric cars are asked to cut their energy use and NOT to charge their electric vehicles to avoid taxing the over-worked grid.

Posted by Richards
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 31, 2022 at 10:18 pm

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Boston Consulting Group analysts estimate that if EVs do take off, as much as 80 percent of the fuel retail market could be unprofitable by 2035. Should demand for gasoline completely disappear, many of the more than 100,000 stations throughout the country would be at risk of going out of business.

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Posted by Harriet Becker
a resident of Community Center
on Sep 1, 2022 at 7:02 am

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What's the point of owning an EV if it cannot be charged on a hot day?

Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 3, 2022 at 11:15 am

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It's not hard to imagine California coming to a virtual stand still when demand on the electrical grid is many multiples greater than it can provide. We can all live without use of our electric appliances and uncharged electric cars and even light for short periods of time, but tolerance for an unreliable electrical grid will not last long. Today's legislators need to start thinking about the big picture, long term.

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