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Want to vote on raising California's minimum wage? Judge says not until 2024

Original post made on Jul 24, 2022

A judge rules that a proposition to raise the California minimum wage to $18 an hour can’t go before voters until 2024.

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Posted by Curious George
a resident of another community
on Jul 24, 2022 at 9:49 am

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The minimum wage should be raised to at least $20-25/per hour.

A reasonable living wage will help reduce poverty among working, low-wage earners.

Though wage increases also drive up inflation, the only other alternative is to lower wages AND the costs of goods/services.

Automobiles now cost more than some houses did 50 years ago, all due to inflation.


Posted by Me 2
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 25, 2022 at 10:26 am

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"A reasonable living wage will help reduce poverty among working, low-wage earners"

Actually no. This will just exacerbate the inflationary pressures, causing prices to rise across the board. In real terms, it will be a wash or net negative among the working class.

"Automobiles now cost more than some houses did 50 years ago, all due to inflation."

In real terms, you're wrong.


Posted by Frieda Stein
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Jul 25, 2022 at 11:18 am

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The corporate officers making huge salaries should divert some of their pay towards increasing the wages of workers who are actually doing the work.

This in turn will keep consumer prices from inflating.


Posted by Julia Sutter
a resident of Professorville
on Jul 25, 2022 at 2:09 pm

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Increasing the minimum wage for restaurant workers wouldn't be necessary if countless diners weren't such cheapskates.

If you cannot afford or justify at least a 15-20% tip, cook your own food.


Posted by Native to the BAY
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 25, 2022 at 8:22 pm

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What a disgrace. The massive EDD fraud during a Pandemic, single moms and the poor having to stay home for online schooling of their children, loosing jobs, the State of Calif bureaucracy is behemoths to crisis. Pandemic government employees enjoyed CalPers and great medical benefits, paid time off including 14 days of paid COVID pay when sick ... and the poor have had to suffer a guillotine of loss and unforeseen pain. The anvil of the Pandemic has most affected the poor, single moms, the elderly and people of color. And now this?! Shame on California, shame on Newsome and his gruesomely slow state disfunction. What is absolutely needed for all Californians? A monthly Universal Basic Income . Alaska does it from BIG Petroleum. Surely CA can do this from Big Tech. I am sick at heart at the extreme and worsening marginalization and scapegoating problems onto the most vulnerable. Where are our true leaders for the poor? It’s the worst time in Calif. I have not witnessed since Reagan was Governor then his President era of take, take and take more from the poor. While our Military Industrial Complex is raking in 8.5 Billion a year from tax payers. Help Ukraine at the expense of punishing the poor in our State and country. It’s a cruel time. Everyone is mean and scared or hiding heads in sand. Paperwork foisted on the poor for low cost no cost goods is grueling and humiliating. A bit like NYC was in 1970’s until 9/11. Sad tragic California State of affairs. Get your big pants on Newsome. Show us in action u care, like it was yesterday. Does anyone else see a Russian Ruble economy on the heads of the slave labor force in Cali? Lines for bread is not far away. We’ve seen the extreme spike in milk, price bilking TP, gasoline — to diapers and tampons have gone up 30%. And have to grind and grovel for two more years for a general vote that likely will not pass. Like our State employed autocrats, wages a yearly “cost of living” increases. It’s coal for Cali X-Mas, again.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Jul 25, 2022 at 8:33 pm

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Raising minimum wage will hurt the poor more than anyone. They'll pay more for any service, food, etc. where employees make minimum wage. Prices will go up, and not everyone can afford that.

Unless you're a high school or college student, you shouldn't be making minimum wage. You have to have a certain level of job skills to make a decent living. If not, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Seeing middle aged adults working fast food, delivering papers, etc. is ridiculous. Give those jobs back to the kids.


Posted by Henrietta Walsh
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 26, 2022 at 7:55 am

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Concurring with Native to the BAY…a CA Universal Base Income funded from high-tech & energy company profits would negate the need for higher minimum wages. About $75,000.00-$100,000.00 yearly per adult should suffice.

@Jennifer
As you mentioned, these minimum wage/entry level jobs should be targeting younger, less experienced workers but in the midpeninsula fast food jobs are generally filled by adult Hispanic workers with limited English-speaking skills and education.

Another consideration…many upper middle class white kids get good allowances (plus expensive clothing, Apple iPhones and late model cars) from their upscale parents which often discourages their interest in taking any form of entry level job paying minimum wage. When was the last time you saw some well-to-do white kid from Palo Alto, Los Altos, or Danville flipping burgers or filling tacos?


Posted by Greg Pfister
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 26, 2022 at 1:19 pm

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Most upper middle class kids don't want to work at menial jobs nowadays...they prefer to start at the top.

And the majority of them have never cut the lawn, washed windows, raked leaves, pulled weeds, or painted an exterior or interior of a house.

These chores are hired-out to the professionals who in turn hire minimum wage workers.


Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 26, 2022 at 1:40 pm

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The world has gone crazy and things like this show why.

A 16 year old high school student should be the ones doing the minimum wage jobs, or at least college students. Back in the day, getting an after school job was a rite of passage as well as a life lesson. Flipping burgers, pumping gas, drugstore soda jerks, etc. were all respectable ways for teens to learn how to be a good employee and earn money for college or at least to spend on their own entertainment.

Why is this not happening today is a very good question. Why are people who have been in the workforce for 10 years or more still earning only minimum wage?

Why are we even asking these questions?


Posted by Hector M.
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Jul 26, 2022 at 3:03 pm

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• "Why are people who have been in the workforce for 10 years or more still earning only minimum wage?"

@Bystander
I have been working in the fast food industry for over 18 years.

I started at minimum wage ($6.50/hour) in 2003. My boss (the owner) gave me a 5¢ per hour raise every year and promised me that over time, he would make me a franchise partner.

I have been an assistant manager for the past four years and whenever I ask about becoming a business partner, the owner says I must be a manager first.

I have worked under several new managers who had less work experience than me.

My wife tells me that I am being exploited and should look for another job but I have no experience in other professions and English is my second language.

We both work full-time and have three school aged children. Our combined income is about $50,000.00 a year.

There is never enough money but we manage to get by.

It is easy for some people to offer their suggestions because many of them have never worked at a low-paying job as adults along with having family responsibilities.


Posted by Rolf Kreuger
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 27, 2022 at 1:47 pm

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"My boss (the owner) gave me a 5¢ per hour raise every year and promised me that over time, he would make me a franchise partner."

The Bible reminded us to beware of false prophets.

Most employers are more concerned with profits than their workers.

I would seriously consider quitting your job as a fast food assistant manager.

You will never be made a partner...this is called 'dangling carrots'.


Posted by Carlyle Coulter
a resident of another community
on Jul 28, 2022 at 7:48 am

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The businesses that cannot afford (or are unwilling) to pay their employees a reasonable living wage + healthcare & paid time off (sick leave/2 week minimum vacation/bereavement leave etc.) should simply close up shop and go away.

Employment exploitation is modern day slavery.


Posted by Sam Larson
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 29, 2022 at 9:06 am

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Are customers willing to pay $12.00 for a Big Mac or $7.50 for a simple bean burrito at Taco Bell?

If minimum wages increase beyond a certain point, so will the prices of the products being sold.

Dave Chappelle once joked that he is OK with Apple products being made by underpaid workers in China because if these were being produced in the United States, who would be willing to pay $9K for an iPhone?


Posted by Roberta Jensen
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 29, 2022 at 3:40 pm

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> Are customers willing to pay $12.00 for a Big Mac or $7.50 for a simple bean burrito at Taco Bell?

The solution is simple...use robotics to prepare and disperse fast food.

Payment can easily be accomplished by the use of credit/debit/gift cards.

With this concept...minimum wages are now an issue of the past as operating costs will be drastically lowered.

A reasonable price for a 'specialty' mass-produced fast food meal (with drink) should be $5.00 or less.


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