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Housing over parking? Architects propose building apartments on public lots

Original post made on Sep 23, 2021

As Palo Alto advances a new vision for housing growth, two local architects are pitching an idea that they believe could generate as many as 1,000 new dwellings near downtown and California Avenue: constructing housing on public lots.

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Posted by Chris
a resident of University South
on Sep 23, 2021 at 9:49 am

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I hope the reactionary City Council will embrace this idea. They really need to get more in its on the largest parking lots, through height or size of units.

There are already 5 or 6 buildings near Homer and Waverley that are higher than 5 stories. Building a taller building on that site will not be the end of Palo Alto as we know it, contrary of the belief of the majority on City Council.

Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 23, 2021 at 10:01 am

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Brilliant. Now the city can save the $280K they were going to spent on an economic development manager since they've devised yet another way to kill our downtowns. Are they so clueless that they don't realize people stopped meeting friends for lunch near University years ago because of parking issues which were so bad the city had to move to Residential Permit Parking?

This reminds me of putting housing on all the train station parking lots thus removing parking while still preaching that people should take the train and/or putting electric car lifts in areas prone to frequent power outages.

Palo Alto never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by ALB
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 23, 2021 at 10:03 am

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Hamilton Hitchings is correct any housing that is constructed must be truly below market rate. Be careful when architects push projects as they benefit when developers bless their support. The ARB should not include mainly architects but residents from other professions.

Posted by Green Gables
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 23, 2021 at 10:39 am

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Oh, great, maybe those brilliant architects can draw up more water supply. Forget all the extra traffic as all those people being housed will be walking to work.

Posted by tmp
a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 23, 2021 at 11:00 am

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This is an awful idea. Parking lots are these days close to the only open, relaxing space that can spare you from the oppressiveness of large looming buildings. It is already hard to find any sun on a nice day downtown and this will make it worse. The city has given up on any pretense of building urban parks and open space to relieve the gloom of this over-developed city. We don't need more 5 and 6 story buildings to pollute the world, and suck up energy and water that we do not have and to house more people that the state's water and environment can not support.

This is all about money and who gets to cash in on the very limited resources that are now available in the city and state. Rather than being thoughtful and careful with our very limited resources there is a cohort of selfish people who want to get in at the last big boom before it all comes to a crashing halt. At some point we will no longer be able to ignore the lack of water and the lack of clean air and the desperate condition of the natural world but just like that last Rapa Nui on Easter Island cutting down that last tree we foolishly listen to people who continue to destroy our environment for their own gain.

Posted by Jim
a resident of Professorville
on Sep 23, 2021 at 11:00 am

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This is a wonderful idea that could actually increase parking spaces rather than removing them while increasing housing units over the same property. If it is public land, the revenue could be used to support other public services that serve the entire community.

Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2021 at 11:05 am

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Still no talk of parking meters or electronic signage to tell us where there is space to park.

These underground parking spots will probably be used more by the people living in the apartments than those of us who want to park.

Posted by PST
a resident of South of Midtown
on Sep 23, 2021 at 11:29 am

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The city should become the developer and retain ownership of everything. This proposal does not include enough parking. All the apartments should be extremely low income and low income housing.

Posted by Evergreen Park
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Sep 23, 2021 at 12:09 pm

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This idea has the germ of something that could be really nice. The trick will be in not expecting this to solve all of the housing problems in the City and thus making it way too dense to be livable. Scale back some of the housing and include a park and some green space so that residents and the City benefit. Concrete does not absorb green house cases -- open land does.

Remember that another 500 units built in a very small area will most likely attract at least 1000 cars that need to be parking somewhere. While the plan does not remove parking, it increases the demand for it exponentially. While we had hoped that the new Cal Ave garage would take traffic, pollution, etc. out of the surrounding residential areas and allow them the same quality of life in other RPPs, it now appears that the pressure on these residential areas will increase. If so, I recommend that the City sell employee permits in College Terrace and Old Palo Alto, and not expect Evergreen Park and Mayfield to carry the load along -- very discriminatory not to.

The City will have to figure out how to manage traffic of 1000 new residents as well as the traffic generated by new retail. The Cal Ave area is a very small area with limited ways in and out -- particularly with Cal Ave closed and so many lanes of streets in the area closed for construction.

Lastly, heaven help those of us who live around this area -- the eternal construction of an "ongoing" process will be horrendous unless the City manages it carefully -- which it has never done in this area. As someone else has noted, there has never been a single sign (other than a couple of "detour" ones) to help people get around, find parking, etc.

Might be a good idea with a little less density AND careful planning.

The Ciyt

Posted by W. Reller
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 23, 2021 at 4:16 pm

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Parking lots are not city owned land per se but owned by parking assessment districts not the city itself. Those that have paid into the districts would have a big say on other usage.

Posted by CC
a resident of University South
on Sep 23, 2021 at 4:18 pm

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The idea here seems to be:
1) Take some land in a high-value area (Palo Alto) that has a low-value use (housing for cars)
2) Improve the land to be something high-value (housing for people)

It is telling that this is indeed such a controversial proposal.

Posted by Observer
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Sep 23, 2021 at 7:05 pm

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The old shell game at work here. Per Mr. Baltay: "We have to stress over and over again that we won't lose parking," Baltay said in an interview Wednesday. "This does not require a loss of a single parking space."
Let's just take the Calif. Ave. proposal for example. Existing parking spaces - 282. After this project - 397, a gain of 115 spaces. New residences -263. If each residence has only one car, they consume 263 spaces, resulting in a net loss of 148 spaces (263 - 115) available to non-residents of the new apartments. Even if you accept the ludicrous assumption of 0.5 cars per new residence, it would still be net loss of spaces available to the public. Mr. Baltay, please quit playing games with your false assertions.

Posted by Name hidden
a resident of Downtown North

on Sep 23, 2021 at 9:19 pm

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Posted by KOhlson
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 24, 2021 at 7:00 am

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A very promising concept, more or less so depending on the details.

Posted by eileen
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 24, 2021 at 10:30 am

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I hope this proposal includes open space with trees and landscaping for people to gather. Maybe turn one of the parking lots into a park?

Posted by Ryan
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 24, 2021 at 11:15 pm

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Terrible idea. First of all, we don't have the water. Even if we did, it would be an environmental disaster and cause more pollution.

Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 26, 2021 at 5:06 pm

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Local businesses already are heavily impacted by lingering Covid-19, and too many have failed. And now this incredibly "wise fool" city government wants to take parking away from more of their potential customers, just in the name of "more housing"? Residents won't take shuttles or buses or ride services to to PA businesses. It is far easier and practical for them just to get in their cars and drive to Menlo Park, Mountain View, or Los Altos where there is ample parking.

Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 26, 2021 at 5:25 pm

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Terribly dumb idea! Why is the city trying to discourage us from patronizing local businesses?

Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 27, 2021 at 4:24 pm

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Some have proposed housing built above BART stations and parking lots. Since BART is on-board with this it is a good idea. In LA the subway is built below ground with stops at popular locations - like the Hollywood theatre section. This city is not set up for this type venture since Caltrain is in a residential section. In other cities Caltrain is in the downtoen industrial setions.

Posted by Amie
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 6, 2021 at 4:59 pm

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Replacing the surface parking lots (that are a waste of land) in our downtown is the BEST IDEA EVER! We need more community members there who will live, work, and enjoy downtown - as well as patronize local retail and restaurants. This could really revitalize our retail uses that are so obviously struggling.

I live two blocks from University and buy something locally just about every time I walk my dog. We need more of me downtown!

Has anyone seen the "walk on the sidewalk to save our retail signs"? This is ridiculous. We need more residents in small apartments (with VERY limited parking) withing walking or biking distance to retail and services. I would say exactly the same for Cal Ave as well.

Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 6, 2021 at 5:43 pm

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Annie, why not ask the poor struggling retailers if they want to get rid of more parking for their customers? They've had a tough enough time of it with their former customers deciding to go elsewhere rather than compete with all the commuters who outnumber residents 4 to 1.

As for needing more people to live downtown, why not ask the city managers why they ousted 85+ downtown LONG-TERM residents of the President Hotel so they could bet on more $$$$ from the high-end business travelers who went POOF!

With all the homeless hanging out in the garages, they're more dangerous than usual and street-smart people, esp. women, prefer surface lots to the dangers of enclosed garages.

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