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Palo Alto adopts COVID vaccine mandate for city workers

Original post made on Sep 2, 2021

Palo Alto this week became the latest municipality to require COVID-19 vaccination for city employees, according to a Thursday announcement from City Manager Ed Shikada's office.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, September 2, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Sep 2, 2021 at 9:27 pm

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So what happens to the police who don't get vaccinated?


Posted by Lillian Davis
a resident of Community Center
on Sep 3, 2021 at 6:16 am

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According to the article, the PAPD officers are only required to get tested.

And in the event of a positive test result, they are probably quarantined for a number of days.

BTW...one can still test positive for Covid-19 even if fully vaccinated.


Posted by felix
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 3, 2021 at 7:23 am

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Good thought, but with the religious exemption excuse built into this new protocol, no one who doesn’t want the vax will now get it.

There’s no permissible way to test belief or faith, so anyone can claim the excuse and will. Police will continue not protecting or serving. us with their shameful 74% vax rate.


Posted by Eric Fleming
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 3, 2021 at 7:39 am

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>> "with the religious exemption excuse built into this new protocol, no one who doesn’t want the vax will now get it...anyone can claim the excuse and will."

>> "Police will continue not protecting or serving. us with their shameful 74% vax rate."

Are the unvaccinated PAPD officers that deeply religious?


Posted by John
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 3, 2021 at 7:49 am

If those officers are unvaccinated they can contract and spread covid!! If they were vaccinated that would be impossible!!


Posted by Eric Fleming
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 3, 2021 at 7:54 am

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>"If those officers are unvaccinated they can contract and spread covid!! If they were vaccinated that would be impossible!!"

Asymptomatic and fully vaccinated individuals can still spread Covid/Delta.

If an officer refuses to get vaxed, a pre-shift & post-shift Covid test should be required of them.

And if positive, they should be quarantined with a loss of pay during that period.

Covid-19 and PD guns are not a good combo.


Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 3, 2021 at 7:59 am

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Shame on PA's highly paid "leaders" for allowing this fiasco where PA cops have a lower vaccination rate than SF and other nearby cities. Meanwhile PAPD continues to waste its time -- and our money -- recycling the useless Uplift newsletter carrying recipes and "breaking" "news" bulletins like the FDA approved the vaccines.


Posted by John
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 3, 2021 at 8:15 am

@Eric: They can still spread and contract the virus? Before and after? Then what’s the point?


Posted by Pia Malstrom
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 3, 2021 at 8:27 am

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• Asymptomatic and fully vaccinated individuals can still spread Covid/Delta.

° They can still spread and contract the virus? Before and after? Then what’s the point?

To err on the side of precaution?

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Posted by John
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 3, 2021 at 8:42 am

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Posted by SRB
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 3, 2021 at 9:16 am

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Kudos to Palo Alto for passing that mandate.

It's not just about setting the right example for our communities, it's about basic safety and fiscal responsibility.

"Covid-19 related fatalities were the single highest cause of officer line-of-duty deaths in 2020."

Web Link


Posted by Melba Cotton
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Sep 3, 2021 at 9:20 am

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@John/a resident of Adobe-Meadow

How do you feel about the use of Chlorox to prevent the spread of Covid-19?

This remedy was once proposed by POTUS45 but the concept did not receive FDA or CDC emergency recommendations.

Advisements of using chlorine bleach and/or horse dewormer are so Republican.


Posted by John
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 3, 2021 at 9:58 am

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Posted by commonsense
a resident of Professorville
on Sep 3, 2021 at 10:38 am

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John,
Our wonderful, genius president did say:
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”

Miss him so much


Posted by White Senior fears Palo Alto Police
a resident of Professorville
on Sep 3, 2021 at 10:50 am

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Headline is INCORRECT. This is not a vaccine mandate since employees can avoid the vaccine by accepting testing twice a week.

Headline should have read: Palo Alto requires vaccination or twice-weekly covid testing.

Finally, these tests are not cheap ($13 each at Walgreens for the package) or about $100 a month for each employee that does not get a vaccination. Hey, its only taxpayer money and a safety risk for other employees and the public in general.


Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 3, 2021 at 10:58 am

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"Liking" the above post.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 3, 2021 at 11:09 am

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Headlines are written to grab your attention, including the most disinterested reader. You don't have to be a journalist to understand this.

It's a vaccine mandate with provisions. You can't force someone to get a vaccine, but you can fire them. Working with people is always a more effective approach.


Posted by Marci Jenkins
a resident of Southgate
on Sep 3, 2021 at 11:29 am

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"You can't force someone to get a vaccine, but you can fire them."

^ The PACC should enforce this perspective. Get vaxed or get fired.

As for the Clorox/Ivermectin/UV crowd...stupid is as stupid does which speaks volumes for the likes of Rand Paul, pro-Trumpsters and other anti-vaxer mentalities.

It appears that 40% of the American unvaxed population has opted for stupidity.


Posted by Consider Your Options.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 3, 2021 at 11:31 am

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READ the article, people. Does anyone actually read the news any more before they spout off?

Question: How can you be a productive participant in democratic process (please note the small d) if you aren't reading broadly from reliable information sources?

Answer: You cannot.


Posted by KJH
a resident of Stanford
on Sep 3, 2021 at 12:11 pm

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I wish you commentators would quit being so mean and nasty.


Posted by John
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Sep 3, 2021 at 12:50 pm

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Posted by Phil Beckham
a resident of Portola Valley
on Sep 3, 2021 at 12:59 pm

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Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 3, 2021 at 1:00 pm

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I think this is a good move. This pandemic has proven that it is not easily conquered. Mask and vaccine mandates are useful and proven tools to use against it. I'd also like to see a relaxation of HIPPA during epidemics and pandemics. It would be mighty helpful to know who to avoid and who might need support (distanced, of course). I cannot prove this, but I think many infections and possibly even some of the deaths could have been avoided if we weren't bound by HIPPA to maintain strict confidentiality.


Posted by Devon Taylor
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Sep 3, 2021 at 1:56 pm

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My late father advised us to never trust any white doctor working for the U.S. government.

He grew up in Mississippi but had cousins in Alabama who were part of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study between 1932 and 1972...40 years.

This study (aka experiment) was conducted by the CDC using black people as human guinea pigs...hundreds died.

When the coronavirus vaccinations became available in 2021, his last words were "don't trust white bureaucrats and politicians."

He passed away later that summer from kidney failure and we have maintained SIP protocols, the wearing of face masks when in public, and we only shop as needed (groceries, gas, pharmaceuticals).
Everything else is ordered via Amazon or Costco.

Living a somewhat secluded existence has its drawbacks but we are not social butterflies and abhor crowds.

And so to make a long story short, our family members are not getting vaccinated PERIOD but will undergo regular testing to ensure that we don't have the virus in our home.

Fortunately we homeschool and work offsite-online so there is no need for outside interaction.

Hopefully the coronavirus will pass but the CDC is not to be trusted by people of color. [Portion removed.]


Posted by No heat
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Sep 3, 2021 at 2:13 pm

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Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were tested on volunteers who demographically represent the US as a whole. They're far safer than the risk of getting infected, no matter what your race.


Posted by Rebecca Eisenberg
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 3, 2021 at 2:24 pm

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Dear Devon:

I get it. There are a lot of reasons not to trust the US govt, and especially not to trust white doctors, especially as a POC from a community that has faced 400 years of genocide & persecution in the US. Your lack of trust is rational. I don't really trust them either, especially the police. My people (Jewish) were not persecuted as long or as terribly as black people in the US, but for the Jewish people like my family who happened to immigrate to a German-founded city (Milwaukee), it could get ugly, often at the hands of the police. Govt-sanctioned violence against minorities & women is literally written into US law.

That said, this is not a matter of trusting white doctors or the white supremacist and patriarchal Establishment. This is a matter of unusually aligned incentives.

When considering whether to trust the untrustworthy, I find it useful to look into the Why, What, and Who about it. For vaccination: (1) Why? They want us to vaccinate because our being unvaccinated puts THEM in danger. It also puts US in danger, but it's possible that the untrustworthy don't mind that as much as they mind overloaded hospitals and sick medical professionals (not just doctors, but nurses, and janitors) that result from unvaccinated people. (2) What: What they get out of you being vaccinated is a smaller chance of you spreading covid to them. But you get something bigger: a smaller chance of dying.

(3) Most important IMO is WHO is getting vaccinated. All of the white doctors, establishment players (even anti-vaxxers), and rich people are vaccinated. In fact, Rich people were the first to get vaccinated and now are the first to get the booster. When in doubt, follow the rich.

Who is not getting vaccinated? The neo-nazis, white supremacists, right wingers, global warming deniers, and Trumpians (except Trump himself: he is vaccinated (see: Rich above)).

I get your hesitation but remember: good for them does not always mean bad for you.


Posted by ALB
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 3, 2021 at 3:11 pm

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I was shocked that the Palo Alto police were less vaccinated than the SF Police. What were those unvaccinated officers afraid of? The police interact with the public and are our public servants. They owe us, themselves and their families a safe environment.

If we do not get vaccinated then the virus will continue to mutate and new variants will be MORE resistant than the current ones we are battling. If the majority of people are vaccinated then the virus has nowhere to go and cannot replicate. Take a cold fish eye look at Florida and see how many children are in ICUs.

Why do some people refuse to listen to science? I do get what the earlier commenter referred to concerning white doctors without medical ethics who used Black people to see how syphilis worsens health if not treated. Those white doctors in the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment told Black sharecroppers that they would receive free medical care if they participated in the study. This experiment went on from 1932 to 1972. Instead the white doctors watched these victims suffer so they the professionals could gather data on what Syphilis does to the human body. Even after penicillin was discovered those Black men were REFUSED treatment. These Black men were lied to and treated inhumanely. I too, if I were Black, would never trust white doctors. Today there are many doctors available who are not white where Black people can seek care.


Posted by Native to the BAY
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 3, 2021 at 3:21 pm

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And when r in person CC meetings going to resume ? Many cities have resumed already! Lack of transparency and
outreach.


Posted by Eldon West
a resident of Stanford
on Sep 3, 2021 at 4:05 pm

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* If we do not get vaccinated then the virus will continue to mutate and new variants will be MORE resistant than the current ones we are battling. If the majority of people are vaccinated then the virus has nowhere to go and cannot replicate.

^^ Not quite as resistant SARS viral strains will continue to challenge the standard Covid vaccinations by being survivors unaffected by the mRNA structural counter measures of the vaccines.

It's like antibiotics. The more they are prescribed or administered, the less effective they become due to the resistant strains of bacteria which are now freer to proliferate.

From a purely methological and scientific perspective, only 1/2 (50%) of a population should be fully vaccinated to scientifically establish the effectiveness of a vaccine.

If 100% of the population were to be vaccinated, medical researchers and infectious disease specialists could never knowingly establish if the coronavirus died out on its own or if the vaccines had any real impact towards curtailing a viral pandemic.

And since the world is made up of billions of people, perhaps a fully vaccinated America along with some other countries can provide the vaccinated 50% faction as 3rd world countries will continue to have low vax percentages.

It boils down to natural selection, family genetics, and survival of the fittest (possibly including the fully vaccinated)...pure Darwin and safely removed from any religious dogma.

It doesn't take a Mr. Science to establish this rational and empirical platform.


Posted by Virginia Smedberg
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 4, 2021 at 3:14 am

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Just as a side note: yes the vaccine helps one's immune system to fight the disease, according to the results of the research, so if you get sick you don't get AS sick as you would have without it. How sick that is depends on the condition of your body at that time. The vaccine does NOT prevent one from becoming infected, nor from spreading the virus (thus masking is still a really good idea). One can also bolster one's own immune system and should be doing so, vax'ed or not: sleep, hydrate, exercise, and eat healthy foods, get enough vit C and D from whatever sources you prefer (they ARE proven to strengthen the immune system). The immune system starts in the gut. So make your gut healthy! I'm not a doctor but these are the recommendations and info from my doctor who is a certified clinical nutritionist and knows the effects of good and bad nutrition on all aspect of our bodies. So I pass them on to whoever cares to listen.


Posted by Jody Metzger
a resident of another community
on Sep 4, 2021 at 7:51 am

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You cannot force someone to get vaccinated. This measure is unconstitutional as originalists will argue or concur.

On the other hand, placing restrictions on those who are unvaccinated can be easily initiated and it is being done today in many places.

It is no different than walking around barefoot and without a shirt. This manner of dress is totally legal but restaurants and offices can mandate that individuals dressed as such will not be served or allowed access into their facilities.

So the simple solution is to refuse service or entrance to anyone who is not vaxed or who cannot provide proof of a negative Covid test within the last 24 hours.

How easy is that?


Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 4, 2021 at 10:07 am

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"So the simple solution is to refuse service or entrance to anyone who is not vaxed or who cannot provide proof of a negative Covid test within the last 24 hours.

How easy is that?"

Ask all the poor workers who've been assaulted by these thugs while trying to do their jobs like fight attendants, retail clerks, teachers, principals, health care workers...


Posted by Clyde S.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 4, 2021 at 10:12 am

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@Online Name/a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland

Easy answer...arrest and jail the thugs + make them liable for any physical and/or property damages.

Service, sales, and educational providers have the final say on vax, masking, and testing requirements.


Posted by Kevin
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 5, 2021 at 9:24 am

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This article is unclear. Can someone confirm whether or not PAPD officers will be required to be vaccinated? Or just tested? And what is the fine print on any exemptions that could be used to avoid getting vaccinated.

If I am forced to interact with a PAPD officer, I want to understand the risk I will be taking.


Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 5, 2021 at 9:44 am

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@Clyde S, you're of course right. But many companies don't do that because they don't want the bad publicity. Many clerks aren't even allowed to confront or detain shoplifters until the cops get there. One airline, United I think, even did a PR campaign AGAINST the practice of duct-taping disruptive passengers to their seats with much amusing quibbling about whether it was silver duct tape or some other kind of tape. Hardly a deterrent! The poor flight attendants are still lobbying for more protection.

So the assaults continue, making the news daily.


Posted by Ozymandias
a resident of another community
on Sep 7, 2021 at 9:37 am

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Palo Alto public employees should be prepared for future mandates at the whimsical whims of the city council.


Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 7, 2021 at 12:42 pm

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What bothers me about this is that the unions had a say. What if they objected? At issue is public health and safety. LIVES. When the post-incident review on COVID is done I hope it includes the recommendation that in an emergency situation, City Council does not have to wait for Union agreement.


Posted by Muriel Pettibon
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 7, 2021 at 1:00 pm

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Though I am fully vaccinated and awaiting a September Pfizer booster, this is still America and those who choose not to be vaccinated are within their rights.

With only a six-month efficacy rate, will we be forced to get a booster every 6-8 months?

If so, everyday life is over in America.


Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 7, 2021 at 1:17 pm

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A "mandate" is not a mandate if it includes any loopholes other than VERIFIED medical exemptions for people who react badly to vaccination. No cheating allowed. If the Fire Dept can do 96%, then the rest of the employees can too. It's really easy. Just sit down, look the other way, and get the "jab" --- twice and then a 3rd time if necessary. The anti-vaxers need to realize that public responsibility comes with public service and is a necessary part of their job descriptions. If they don't like that, then there are 4 million other open jobs in the USA for them to choose from.


Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 7, 2021 at 3:59 pm

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I agree with the above post. Also, there's been lots of recent news on how insurance companies are starting to charging the unvaccinated and their employers higher premiums because the cost of treatment is now running into tens of thousands of dollars. So not only with anti-vaxxers be paying more personally, we the taxpayers will also be paying more for their insurance.

Not a day passes where we don't see news Covid outbreaks at prisons, something our highly paid police and city leaders must know.


Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Sep 7, 2021 at 9:50 pm

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Muriel,

You are misinformed about the rights of Americans. There is nothing in the US Constitution or Federal laws that says that a citizen can legally refuse to be vaccinated.

State laws may differ on this subject, but there is no right as an American.
In California, there are very narrow exceptions, which very, very few people can qualify for.

Where did you learn such a falsehood? Please inform the readers here of your source of misinformation.


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 8, 2021 at 8:48 am

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Posted by Jason Tarrick
a resident of Stanford
on Sep 8, 2021 at 9:03 am

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Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 8, 2021 at 4:34 pm

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For those who ignore mainstream REAL news, the Pfizer vaccine now has full non-emergency licensure from the FDA, so that takes away another anti-vaxer excuse to evade their public health duties to society. Moderna also will follow very soon, and Pfizer and Moderna are "the big two" of the USA vaccination effort.

Experts say that the full certification and approval of these vaccines will make it even easier for employers and school districts to mandate full vaccination for their employees and staff. This is very good news for public health and safety. Such mandates are totally legal under our present rule of law, unlike what some uninformed people are ranting. Also, soon children 3 (or so) to 11 also will be cleared to be vaccinated, hopefully in a few months. More great news when it happens. "And the beat goes on". Inexorably.


Posted by Chris
a resident of University South
on Sep 8, 2021 at 8:36 pm

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Jennifer,

Nobody who is mandating vaccinations is violating Federal law, so your point is either moot or wrong.


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Sep 10, 2021 at 12:05 pm

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It seems like Biden is making this issue moot for Palo Alto.


Posted by Dobbs
a resident of Midtown
on Sep 10, 2021 at 1:10 pm

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Doesn't make it the right thing to do Chris. Time and courts will decide if it's legal.


Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 10, 2021 at 3:30 pm

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It's gotten to the point where the remaining large number of confused (at best) people have to be given a very powerful incentive to get vaccinated to tame (but not totally eliminate) this monster. Use federal power granted to the Executive Branch by Congress and the US Courts to put refusers covered by those powers, and with no valid excuses, in a nasty conflict --- get fully vaxed and keep their jobs, or refuse vaccination and try to find another job as good as the ones they lost.


Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Sep 10, 2021 at 11:05 pm

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Dobbs,

The Supreme Court decided that it is legal in 1905. Better brush up on your constitutional law.


Posted by BobH
a resident of Palo Verde
on Sep 11, 2021 at 7:59 am

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I support this. I hope the city will continue to report percentages of vaccination, especially for the Police Department.


Posted by BobH
a resident of Palo Verde
on Sep 11, 2021 at 8:27 am

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Here is a good article why everyone should get vaccinated, especially police, fire, and other city workers.

"Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch delta, 11X more likely to die"

Web Link


Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Sep 11, 2021 at 9:02 am

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1905 was prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits religious discrimination. Like another poster pointed out, all they have to do is claim religious discrimination because faith can't be tested. Sadly, they'll probably get away with it. Lawsuits will be filed, and that's why some employers are going with soft mandates. They're trying to avoid litigation, and rightfully so.


Posted by Errol Jensen
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Sep 11, 2021 at 11:08 am

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Are we striving towards containment of the coronavirus or an endemic?

If containment is the objective, full vaccinations should be required of all American citizens.

If an endemic is the goal, then herd immunity will finally be established after a certain number of individuals perish due to Covid based on natural selection and survival of the fittest.

The Spanish Flu went away on its own based on survivorship as there was no vaccine for this epidemidemic until the early 1940s.


Posted by Lt.C. Brock Taylor (retired USMC)
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 11, 2021 at 12:03 pm

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Like in Viet Nam and the Middle East we fought a war of containment and lost.

This is war and there is no clearcut solution.

Winning a war (in this case against Covid-19 and its variants) will require
further loss of lives to ensure herd immunity or an 'endemic'.

Containment = vaccinations and mask mandates to curtail hospitalizations and further suffering.

Endemic = eventual widespread global immunity via further deaths among the anti-vaxers, minimally vaxed 3rd world countries, and the poor.

Call them casualties of war.


Posted by Shayne Matthews
a resident of Stanford
on Sep 12, 2021 at 8:05 am

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Posted by Jane Forrest
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on Sep 12, 2021 at 9:32 am

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Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Mountain View
on Sep 12, 2021 at 6:05 pm

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The way to defeat ignorant, stupid, anti-social anti-vaxers is simple. Strip them of their jobs and also of unemployment insurance when they are "terminated for cause". They can have a few simple choices. Bankruptcy, get fully vaxed, or move to some horribly nasty antebellum Red State and leave we highly useful and intelligent people in the USA alone --- alone without their ignorant "traditional values" stupidity. What a relief for useful, intelligent people who really matter to OUR USA.

This is Civil War II because we didn't finish Civil War I properly. And we Yankees will win again. And this time, we must make sure that the war is over forever. Think about that, anti-vaxer Rebs.


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