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New numbers, same concerns as Palo Alto challenges housing mandate

Original post made on Jan 13, 2021

A recent adjustment by regional planners could lower the number of housing units the city is required to plan for between 2023 and 2031. It has done little, however, to quell the City Council's anxieties about the allocation process.

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Posted by Jem
a resident of Ventura
on Jan 13, 2021 at 6:02 pm

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Thank You, ABAG. Palo Alto is woefully behind in building affordable and other housing options. Rents are sinfully high, even with the pandemic. I, as a City employee, have been on the waiting list for the BMR purchase program since 2009, and I am nowhere near the top of the list. I have lived 3.5 of the past six years in my mini-van, trying to hang on to my down payment money , in seemingly futile hopes that a BMR condo will come through for me. I am nearing 60 years old. It seems likely I will be dead before I am settled.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 pm

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I am really glad to see that the state government is finally doing something about California's rampant NIMBY problem. Perhaps my kids will be able to afford to buy a house in Palo Alto some day.

Council member Lydia Kou will certainly not get my vote in the next election.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jan 13, 2021 at 9:07 pm

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We need to see the whole county numbers. San Jose is the biggest city in the county and has continual building of new housing. You can see it in the weekend papers - places, prices. Sunnyvale is the second biggest city in the county. It includes all of the new development in Moffett Circle. We need to see all of the cities in Santa Clara County because the information presented is like loading the deck with unrepresentative numbers. Menlo Park if the home of FB so why are their numbers so low? Fb is one of the biggest companies in the bay area and employees the most people, exclusive of Google and SU. Someone has thrown us under the bus here. Housing is tied to JOBS. The JOBS are in San Jose - a major metro city. Palo Alto is not a metro city and does not have a big band width of job types. This whole situation needs to be investigated by an outside auditor - ABAG needs to be investigated.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jan 13, 2021 at 9:22 pm

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Many Companies are now leaving the state, and the bay area for areas in the central state areas. The algorithm has to be flexible enough to recognize the increase and decrease of job opportunities. Growth is occurring in Menlo Park for Fb and other companies-there is going to be whole new Willow Village for FB. They cannot print low numbers for MP when in fact is is growing very fast in the commercial section off 101. They all have to be able to describe how they are updated their information as businesses both grow and depart. Palo Alto is not the dumping ground for every other cities' tax base issues. If the people in PA making up numbers do not understand that then replace them with people who do understand that.


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Posted by Longtime Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 14, 2021 at 4:26 am

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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jan 14, 2021 at 8:24 am

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This county in general has a big problem. Look at the issues at the county level because a problem in one location appears to get solved in some other location - move the chairs around from place to place. People in MV keep appearing because they think we are suppose to solve their housing problems. Worse - they have talked ABAG into supporting this. Developers have a say in all of this at the state top level so the playing field is not equal. And we have opinion members in the city who have worked at Google so are pushing an agenda that supports their ultimate goals. Commissioners and PACC members have to be able to translate what city budgets are based on because we are not able to absorb shortfalls in other city/county budgets. Right now we have had unsuccessful discussions with SU concerning the school system support so within our city budget we have our own challenges.

Housing has to be supported by available and type of jobs an any area. San Jose has a wide variety of job types - low cost to high cost, an airport, hotels, major rail systems, etc. That is where low cost housing needs to be.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jan 16, 2021 at 5:10 pm

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Has the ABAG lady in Berkley noticed that PG&E has moved from San Francisco to Oakland - Lake Merritt? That is a huge number of people. What we are running into is a group of authoritarian people who cannot manage a system which tracks the comings and goings of major business entities. We do not have to tolerate their lack of an up to date system and then dictate to the rest of the state.

Hey - go look at their system and question what they are inputting and how they are adjusting their numbers. The comings and goings of major businesses are printed in the paper - any business that reduces by a certain number is legally required to report to the state and publish those numbers in the business section of the papers. .This is not guess work - it is legally required information provided to the state and locally in the papers. It is maddening to read about all of the companies that are leaving. this area or laying off a large number of people then be told that we need to build houses for workers that do not exists.

Another example of how this state puts people in jobs because they are loyal party workers but have no skills for the jobs they are in. Since we are on legal turf then force their hand to figure out how they are managing the details of their reports. They should be legally required to back up their dictates with actual verifiable information. If HP says they are moving to a North San Jose location then that should be in the report. Do not tolerate nonsense.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jan 17, 2021 at 9:00 am

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The New York Times - Sunday 01/17 - Business Section Front page - "They Can't Abandon the Bay Area Fast Enough". Do not believe that what we read in our local papers is limited in the attention span of the national news. The problem is on the table and any amount of hype and false narratives is not going to stop it.

Anonymous wants her child to live here. Her child has grown up and has a job. Her child will go to where his job is and where his own family wants to live. My son grew up here and has no desire to live here - He lives in the east bay where his company has major effort and now his company has moved their headquarters to Nashville, TN.

Children when they grow up have different ideas of where they want to live and work. And their spouses have ideas of where they want to live and work.

The ABAG people are housed in SF? Their city is a empty shell and employees of the city are now being investigated for fraud. That is being followed by the SF Chronicle - we do not make that up.

Bottom line is the the cities in the South Bay need to challenge what ever ABAG is telling them because they do not have the right facts - they are just looking for payouts from the developers. And the developers are not doing very well right now.
The cities have to have a tax base to function and if no tax base then the whole city collapses.


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Posted by Longtime Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
21 hours ago

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Companies are slowly moving away. It is being done discretely. First groups are relocated, then slowly more people.
This began before Covid.
The cost of living, quality of life, impossibility of ever owning a home or having your children own a home in the area near you are real.
The tax advantages of moving a company to another state, and pay workers 1/2 to 1/3 less salary is a big plus for many companies.
No one wants to live or own high rise apartments with their families or rent these places for long.
I know of Facebook families who after years of commuting 4 hours to work, have decided to move to the East Coast and work from home and raise their families in areas with emphasis in community, church, and an over-all better quality of life.
No commute. They are happy to move away after several years of a grueling commute to a crappy rental with sketchy schools filled with first generation tiger parents.

Stanford has been hiring workers with 2 years degrees and given them Director titles. It shows their desperation, like admitting so many foreign students. It would make Jane Stanford turn over in her grave. She built Stanford for the education of California's children. Jane Stanford had no idea the 2 billion people in the Eastern Countries would target her beloved university.
Somehow Stanford has forgotten Jane’s intentions.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
14 hours ago

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I love the comment about first generation "Tiger Parents". WE are also looking at first generation Tiger legislators. People whose parents came to the US after WW2 now pose as the "experts" on the US Constitution and what the US is suppose to be doing now.

The US rebuilt Western Europe after WW2 under the Marshall Plan. Fast forward to today the European Union rules the member countries and dictates on trade, monetary funding for country projects concerning climate change, immigration - mostly from Africa. Yet the current editorial position is that the US is suppose to rule the world. They have not caught up with the world since WW2.

Foreign students pay more for their education. Time at UCLA whole schools of disciplines were predomitly foreign based students. UC Berkley is filled with foreign students. I flew one time back through Paris and the whole plane coming to SFO was filled with either returning students or students going to a US college.
College is big business.


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
14 hours ago

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"Foreign students pay more for their education."

Indeed they do -- which is one reason schools like Stanford, Wharton etc. have such big foreign recruiting programs. Note also how active Stanford, for example, has been in lobbying to keep H1B visa wages low -- at the expense of American workers and/or full0time employees with benefits vs the lower-paid contractors.


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