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Monthlong curfew to start in Santa Clara County Saturday night

Original post made on Nov 19, 2020

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Thursday a limited stay-at-home order for California that will go into effect Saturday night and last for a month to try to limit the spread of COVID-19.

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Posted by Lee Forrest
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 19, 2020 at 3:22 pm

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As per the mandate...
"Governor Gavin Newsom and the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) today announced a limited Stay at Home Order requiring generally that non-essential work, movement and gatherings stop between 10 PM and 5 AM in counties in the purple tier. The order will take effect at 10 PM Saturday, November 21 and remain in effect until 5 AM December 21. This is the same as the March Stay at Home Order..."

^Curious...is it still OK to arrange an in-house dinner at The French Laundry in Yountville?

A nine course $350.00+/per person gourmet dinner served in take-out order containers leaves something to be desired.


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Posted by Nayeli
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 19, 2020 at 5:27 pm

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What is the 10 PM curfew supposed to accomplish? We are all now effectively confined to our homes because COVID-19 would somehow spread at a higher rate at night?


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Posted by Tired
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Nov 19, 2020 at 5:44 pm

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Where the hell did we go wrong as a nation I wonder?

Look, the obvious reason for this order is for So Cal and Placer county and all the State of Jefferson wannabe to stop serving booze in the evening so people go home and don’t spread the virus.

Look, Newsom messed up something horrible. While what he did want horribly superspready per se, he should absolutely not have attended the event. He apologized (which means something at least) big being a governor of California he needs to care more about optics in today’s USA. I hope he does going forward.

But at the end of the day I want to hope that my fellow neighbors care enough to protect all of us.


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Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Nov 19, 2020 at 6:44 pm

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This is asinine. All it will do is cause late night workers to lose their income for a month, keep people from going to the store late at night, etc. What does this accomplish? If anything, it spreads more quickly during the day when people are out and about. Will a daytime curfew be next?


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Posted by Easy8
a resident of Green Acres
on Nov 19, 2020 at 8:15 pm

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I guess the coronavirus is nocturnal. Apparently, it only comes out after 10:00 pm.


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Nov 19, 2020 at 8:33 pm

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Jennifer,

The order does not restrict essential workers.


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Nov 19, 2020 at 8:35 pm

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Palo Alto Weekly,

How does this affect the football game at Stanford Saturday night?

Will they have to stop the game at halftime to allow the players and officials to get home by 10pm?


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Ventura
on Nov 19, 2020 at 9:34 pm

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Posted by TimR
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 19, 2020 at 10:03 pm

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Here's how the City of Palo Alto, in the daily "Coronavirus Upate" email describes it, which makes it sound a little different that what others are saying:

Today, Governor Newsom and the California Department of Public Health announced a Limited Stay At Home Order prohibiting gatherings with members of other households and all activities conducted outside the residence with members of other households between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. Nothing in the Order prevents any number of persons from the same household from leaving their residence, lodging, or temporary accommodation, as long as they do not engage in any interaction with (or otherwise gather with) any number of persons from any other household, except as specifically permitted.


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Posted by Alvin
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 19, 2020 at 10:30 pm

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It doesn't go far enough in my opinion. Let's have 24 hour/day curfews with all businesses, stores, schools and activities closed indefinitely, no exceptions. Why not? All I see is near 100% sheep-like compliance around here with face masks and distancing, indoors and out, for a virus with an over 99% recovery rate for most age groups. So yes, let's turn it up a few notches and see how much more you're willing to take. I'm sure you'll all gladly obey again.

I love it so much I'm willing to lose all the equity in my home to see this state completely collapse. Thank you Governor Newsom, keep up the great work!!!


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Posted by Educator
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 19, 2020 at 10:33 pm

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People seem to not realize that Newsom's strict orders are the reasons that California did not see the same spike in cases that many other places did earlier in the year.

Newsom made a terrible decision to go eat dinner with his friends. Hypocritical, for sure. That doesn't change the fact that this is the right move.


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Posted by Alvin
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 19, 2020 at 11:05 pm

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@Educator Midtown: "That doesn't change the fact that this is the right move."

Yes, indeed, couldn't agree more! If nothing else, should reduce crime and car accident deaths. I also think, at the very least. schools, sports and all non-essential businesses should be closed until a 100% safe and effective mandatory vaccine is available, however long that takes.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 20, 2020 at 7:49 am

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Governor Gavin Newsom is a blowhard and a hypocrite. He “apologized” after being caught. How convenient after enjoying himself in luxury.
NYC closing huge public school,system but according to what I just read on NY Times or Apple News, bars and inside dining still open.
We need better leadership.
That includes disclosure of CA politicians who had a lovely trip to Maui with lobbyists.


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Posted by CovidKid
a resident of Mountain View
on Nov 20, 2020 at 7:56 am

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Posted by Lee Forrest
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 20, 2020 at 8:11 am

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>"What is the 10 PM curfew supposed to accomplish?"

>"Look, the obvious reason for this order is for So Cal and Placer county and all the State of Jefferson wannabe to stop serving booze in the evening so people go home and don’t spread the virus."

^Killing two birds at once...the pandemic & statewide alcoholism?

>"Governor Gavin Newsom is a blowhard and a hypocrite. He “apologized” after being caught."

^ Along with his trademark smirk and an apparent lack of any contriteness...bon appetit.

>"We need better leadership."

^ The ENTIRE world needs better leadership.


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Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Nov 20, 2020 at 9:33 am

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Chris -

I'm well aware that this doesn't affect essential workers. But the grocery store employees where I shop (open 24 hrs) are being laid off from the night shift (except 2) because the manager told me he's concerned that shoppers won't shop after 10 pm, under the curfew, and he's probably right.

I'm sure there are other people being laid off (or losing their job) in California because of the curfew. A lot of people are losing their jobs during the pandemic prior to the curfew.


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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 20, 2020 at 10:39 am

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Posted by Experts Say Curfew NOT Science Based
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 20, 2020 at 10:55 am

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Curfew will do nothing.

Web Link

Stanford Infectious Disease expert:
Mark Cullen, Stanford Infectious Disease Expert and former Professor: "regulations should be directed toward actual behavior (no indoor dining, or no bars) rather than the indirect emphasis on a time frame." “The virus doesn’t care — day or night,” said Mark Cullen, an infectious disease expert and former professor at Stanford University. “It’s really just a way of getting at behavior modification, but it just seems like an odd one that doesn’t in and of itself address the problem.” "There’s also the worry that such curfews could drive more people indoors, rather than gathering in more socially distanced outdoor settings, said infectious disease professor Lee Riley. He said he was particularly worried about potential impacts on the younger and college-age population in the Bay Area. “It seems very cosmetic, and not really getting at the fundamental issue of where transmissions are occuring,” he said. “My feeling is that I don’t think it’s going to have a big impact.”

Restaurants have been open outside in SCC safely and it's helping everyone (people who need to work, businesses staying open instead of failing, mental health of of folks getting out of their houses). All this [portion removed] curfew does is cut restaurants hours shorter and encourage everyone to head home and have their nightcaps inside together. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Nov 20, 2020 at 11:52 am

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Experts,

If people are capable of making correct decisions without government guidance, why are cases exploding way beyond the previous surge. Experts say groups of people getting together are the main cause. Are you saying that significant numbers of people are not getting together between 10pm and 5pm? How did you become an expert on nighttime activities?


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Nov 20, 2020 at 3:19 pm

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Stanford football game Saturday night cancelled, not due to curfew, but due to COVID outbreak at Washington State.


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Posted by Lee Forrest
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 20, 2020 at 3:54 pm

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All things considered, though we are wearing face masks in public, observing six foot distances while standing in lines, observing SIP guidelines by avoiding unnecessary outings etc. ...are these public health restrictions legal from the standpoint of constitutionality?

Religious groups are now contesting the SIP protocols in the SCOTUS as a violation of the Bill of Rights while others are openly challenging restrictions on the right to assembly (both in public & in private) including the enforced wearing of face masks while in public.

The 'originalist' & conservative interpretation of the U.S. Constitution seemingly supports their position as there are no specific references pertaining to pandemic control protocols.

That said...perhaps public health recommendations regarding closures & personal precautions/advisements are about as far as we can go...legally.


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Posted by Dick D.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 20, 2020 at 5:08 pm

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It's true (do you not believe this) that after 10, alcohol flows more freely and with that, people lose their inhibitions about masks and 6 feet separation. Reasonable bounds on group size also go out the door.

The curfew doesn't do that much damage to restaurants that normally don't see much traffic past 10 and many close by 10 in normal times. I am far more concerned with what the heck they're going to do when it gets cold and wet – for months. And at this time there is no government help whether from Washington, the state or more local government.

Throughout all of the discussion about the government shouldn't do this or that to me, it really is the virus that's the root cause and Newsom and others are trying their best to mitigate the problem the virus causes. They're no more perfect at decision making than you and me, including dumb things like dining at a wonderful, albeit very pricey, restaurant in a way that is totally contrary to the very rules they've set up for the rest of us.

Lastly, when we look at OUR freedom to do as we please, we seem to be ignoring the notion of the "common good". Masks may well not help the person wearing them, but they keep all that stuff that otherwise goes out into the air when we simply breath or certainly when we cough.


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Posted by Dick D.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 20, 2020 at 5:12 pm

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After 10, alcohol flows more freely and with that, people lose their inhibitions about masks and 6 feet separation. Reasonable bounds on group size also go out the door.

The curfew doesn't do that much damage to restaurants that normally don't see much traffic past 10 and many close by 10 in normal times. They're not getting the traffic at normal peak times. I am far more concerned with what the heck they're going to do when it gets cold and wet – for months. And at this time there is no government help whether from Washington, the state or more local government.

Throughout all of the discussion about the government shouldn't do this or that to me, it really is the virus that's the root cause and Newsom and others are trying their best to mitigate the problem the virus causes. They're no more perfect at decision making than you and me, including dumb things like dining at a wonderful, albeit very pricey, restaurant in a way that is totally contrary to the very rules they've set up for the rest of us.

Lastly, when we look at OUR freedom to do as we please, we seem to be ignoring the notion of the "common good". Masks may well not help the person wearing them, but they keep all that stuff that otherwise goes out into the air when we simply breath or certainly when we cough.


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Posted by Jennifer
a resident of another community
on Nov 20, 2020 at 5:50 pm

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Dick - I don't believe for a minute that "Newsom is doing his best." He hypocritically was caught with more than 12 other households (I'm sure they were drinking) so he's just dictating. Do as I say, not as I do.

Alcohol flows freely at all hours. People drink during lunch and dinner, and alcoholics drink all day long.


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Posted by Leslie York
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 20, 2020 at 6:03 pm

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On what medical or epidemiological theory is this 10 pm curfew based? Does it have any science behind it or is it all "optics" intended to give the illusion of being proactive against the pandemic? It looks to me like Gavin is mimicking the 10 pm New York curfew.

A different way of asking is, does this theory come from the eminent Drs. Fauci and Birx or from the radiologist Dr. Atlas who has no background in epidemiology?


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Posted by Jane
a resident of Ventura
on Nov 20, 2020 at 6:13 pm

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PA Online is removing comments critical of Newsom's order and link to the active recall petition.

Criticizing unlimited, arbitrary, and indefinite "emergency powers" -- which enables a single individual to order citizens to do anything at his whim -- is perfectly legitimate. Many feel that the curfew order, with no input from the electorate is yet another example adding to the argument for a recall.

Go out and search -- you'll find the petition easily enough. Compliance or non-compliance with the unending unconstitutional "emergency" orders not to assemble, not to worship, etc etc is is also your choice. Civil disobedience has a long and honorable tradition in US history.


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Posted by Alvin
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 20, 2020 at 6:14 pm

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@Dick: "Lastly, when we look at OUR freedom to do as we please, we seem to be ignoring the notion of the "common good".

Yes, because freedom is a privilege not a right!


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Posted by Alvin
a resident of Professorville
on Nov 20, 2020 at 8:05 pm

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@Jane - "Many feel that the curfew order, with no input from the electorate is yet another example adding to the argument for a recall."

Governor Newsom was elected by the people and has the power to make these decisions. He has police powers under the constitution to protect the health and safety of the people, especially during a pandemic. If you have a problem, then vote him out next time.


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Posted by Samuel L
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 20, 2020 at 9:26 pm

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Humorous that we get all these restrictions, but the states allow football, basketball and other sports to continue. People might be prone to take it more seriously if exceptions weren't being made for pure monetary gains. Students can't go to class, but athletes can hang out in the locker room, weight room and field together.

Not too shocking that so many college games are being canceled. But, hey, they're still getting that big TV contract payout, and that's what matters.


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Posted by Lee Forrest
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 21, 2020 at 6:44 am

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>"After 10, alcohol flows more freely and with that, people lose their inhibitions."

>"Alcohol flows freely at all hours. People drink during lunch and dinner, and alcoholics drink all day long."

^ If excessive alcohol consumption is yet another factor in this recent coronavirus mandate, why not just suspend or restrict the sale of alcohol at certain times of the day & call them 'pandemic hours'.

We already have 'happy hours'.


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Posted by Mary
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 21, 2020 at 8:07 pm

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@Alvin: " If nothing else, should reduce crime and car accident deaths."

Why not extend the curfew 24/7? That would reduce crime and car accident deaths even more!


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Posted by Jose Takamoto
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 22, 2020 at 6:43 am

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Trump supporters on youtube and social media are advising small business owners of non essential businesses to practice civil disobedience to keep their business open. They are saying that the lock downs are a power grab by the corporatocracy to get us all dependent on the Government to control every aspect of our lives.


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Posted by Lee Forrest
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 22, 2020 at 7:02 am

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