Back in the 60s-80s, drugs were safer. Most college students tried pot and cocaine but nowadays with drugs laced with Fentanyl? Don't touch it, you never know!

Oh brother. LSD? (don't touch it...)

Kids today are way less likely to feel pressure to do drugs than back in the 60s to 80s. And there was nothing like Narcan and education about it back then.

I would like to know why someone who had so much going for them thought it was a good idea to take such a thing today. I hope it wasn't a pain situation the student got talked into taking something for (trusting a fellow student).

“ Earlier this month, Stanford's undergraduate student government considered but ultimately tabled a resolution asking the university to put Narcan kits in student residences.”

Why did the student government table the Narcan resolution?

Yeah, we all tried pot and cocaine back in college, they were “safe”. Only the wild ones and hippies tried LSD and hard drugs.

These kids need to be educated about the dangers and don’t expect the parents to educate them. This student obviously thought he’d be okay taking this drug. Paly can easily show a video during Advisory. Colleges can show it as part of an orientation event.

I was exposed to Fentanyl during a medical procedure. The procedure was stopped before it really started. The physician did his thing and then he said: "Stop!" I had no idea why. I was awake. I did not want to repeat the procedure another time. Then a nurse came and said: "Breathe, breathe!" I said : "I am breathing." Nobody told me why I should breathe. Nobody told me why things were stopped.

My husband told me later that my heartbeat had gone down to 20 beats/min. The doctor never told me that they used Fentanyl on me. I had to ask a friend whose wife was a nurse. Fentanyl slows down the heart. It is a very effective killer. In my case all this took only a minute. So beware. Fentanyl can be deadly in no time at all.

Many counterfeiters are making their own "Vicodin" tablets using fentanyl since it's cheaper and easier to get (from China on the black market).
I would be very interested to know WHERE he obtained whatever he took.
Was it someone in the frat house providing it? Another student selling it?
Buying it it on the street seems unlikely, but possible.

Knowingly taking fentanyl is not very common at all. It's simply not sold to the recreational user, but is the cheap/deadly ingredient for fake pharmaceutical pills that look like the real thing. Someone thinks they're taking a vicodin but it's a poorly measured fentanyl tablet, then that's it for the user. Tragic.

Police need to track down the drug dealers and prosecute them for murder. If the kids can find the dealers easily enough, then the police can too. If the dealers are other Stanford students, prosecute them just as harshly.

I agree, if the kids can find the dealers that easily why can’t the police? We have to stop the dealers and go higher from there.

I know that in San Jose high schools, for example, and I’m sure most of not all up here, it’s easy as pie to obtain these drugs. Not just college. We have to educate.

We had a friend who’s son died a couple of years ago. Maybe 25. Not a big drug user at all. Appeared to be a heart attack and they thought maybe he had a condition they did not know about. A full 6 months later it was determined to be a fentanyl overdose. Not a risky habitual drug user. It is a lot scarier out there then when we were kids in the 80’s.

>>> Police need to track down the drug dealers and prosecute them for murder. If the kids can find the dealers easily enough, then the police can too. If the dealers are other Stanford students, prosecute them just as harshly.

^^^Agreed. Life imprisonment for all drug dealers who's sales are related to an overdose.

Folks the most important thing you can do is talk with your kids, nieces, nephews, grandchildren etc about this. Forward them this story.
On the politics side, I would like to see this treated as an attack on the USA by China. The Chinese government knows damn well who is making the chemicals that are killing our kids, and they don't care.

Back in the 70's I went to a party and smoked some opium. I got extremely elated for a while, then came way down and got extremely depressed for a longer while. Never tried that again. I'm so glad they didn't have fentanyl back then.

So sad I am sorry for all the family.

Reply to Dan’s Comment “ On the politics side, I would like to see this treated as an attack on the USA by China. The Chinese government knows damn well who is making the chemicals that are killing our kids, and they don't care.”

Did you even finish reading the article? It clearly says most of these are manufactured in Mexico. Trump supporter?

Kids today couldn't read a whole article. It says the pills are manufactured in Mexico

Hey Jerry,

Consider checking facts and questioning what you read rather than just blindly taking it as fact. I suspect the manufacture and transport of the drug are conflated In the above quote you cited. Try typing “fentanyl from China” into any search engine. The top result will be something like this, detailing the transport of fentanyl (and its constituents for what fentanyl is produced in Mexico) from China into the US through Mexico:

Web Link

Or try the top result if you type “where is fentanyl produced”:

Web Link

@Jerry the fentanyl that is killing our kids and young adults and the homeless in SF as well as precursors for fentanyl and many other awful drugs like meth are being created in massive bulk in China. The counterfeit pills described in the article are being processed and packed up in Central America and Mexico by transnational drug gangs such as MS13 who also smuggle them into the US. The chemicals from China are a lot cheaper than sourcing coca powder from Central America, or opium base from Asia, so there is more profit to be made for the gangs by using Chinese chemicals. The Chinese chemicals also happen to be a lot deadlier. And the Chinese government doesn't care. Mexico is a different issue, there we are at serious risk of a failed state - and the drug gangs are currently winning their internal war against the Mexican government. That's why I mentioned China and not Mexico above - China could actually do something about it if they wanted to...

>>> And the Chinese government doesn't care....- China could actually do something about it if they wanted to.

^^^ Because there is too much money to be made whether legally or illegally.

While most of the pharmaceutical fentanyl is manufactured in China, nothing is stopping them from producing additional quantities 'on the side' & then having it shipped & distributed via Mexican drug cartels into the United States.

It's same thing with cell phones being manufactured in China. Once the OEM contracts are fulfilled,there's nothing stopping these sweatshop factories to create even more as they have both the cheap labor, proprietary technical specifications & the raw materials to do so.

Though these cell phones cannot be marketed in the United States, they can be sold THROUGHOUT China for about $50.00-$80.00 which is about the equivalent of $800.00 to $1000.00 for someone making 25 cents an hour.

Multiply $50.00 times a billion & you get the picture...economically.

It's all relative and the Chinese are cashing in whether it's smartphones or fentanyl.

Dan is 100% correct...don't confuse the distribution channels with the actual manufacturer!

During my time at Stanford, I was impressed by the role that Peer Health Educators (PHEs) play as part of dorm staff. Each on-campus residence that I lived in had one (although, now that I think about it, I can't speak for whether the Greek houses operate under the same structure). PHEs are students who take a full course for credit to train on student health issues and commit to ongoing education, host events for their residents related to campus health and safety issues, including everything from flu shots to high-risk alcohol use to safe sex. In my experience, they were a welcome supplement to the role that RAs played in dorm life, and they especially stressed that they were safe and confidential resources for students - so important when it comes to sensitive health and substance use issues.

While I'm sure worries over the coronavirus are keeping campus PHEs busy, these competent staffers seem like the perfect candidates to equip with Narcan and also to act as safe recipients of no-questions-asked surrender of drugs or pills. It's a lot of responsibility to put on undergrad students, but it's also a much more direct and embedded means of response than the current "drug drop" spots on campus. I don't know why the student government tabled their Narcan resolution, but it's worth noting that even had it passed, the only power the ASSU has is to request that the University take action on the issue. It's time for the grown ups in the room - University administrators, the faculty senate, etc. - to take decisive action here.

@Dan "The chemicals from China are a lot cheaper than sourcing coca powder from Central America, or opium base from Asia, so there is more profit to be made for the gangs by using Chinese chemicals."

Let's think about what could help to improve the current situation. As you have mentioned above, there are multiple sources where the pill manufacturer in Mexico could get the constituents from. So what would happen if China stops exporting these constituents to Mexico? They could just import them from another country, albeit at a higher price. Nothing will prevent the smugglers to continue their business.

@Jerry - I think you may not have done much research or reading on this topic. Literally 99% of the world's manufacturing capacity for illicit fentanyl, meth and other synthetic opiod raw materials and precursors is in China. Final synthesis happens in many countries including Mexico and China.

If it precursors stop coming from China there are no other at scale sources. And if other countries tried to develop advanced illicit drug precursor labs (India for example has the infrastructure to do so, but not the culture), they are vastly easier to interdict than companies with China are...

@Dan. To be honest, I couldn't get the number "99%" for illegal pharmaceutical constituents. The closest one I got on the Internet is around 60%.

And I don't think China is the ONLY country that has the capability to mass produce illicit pharmaceutical ingredients. China took a dominant role in this market because they won the price war. If China left the competition, with a continuing demand and high profitibility(20X the raw material price) there will be more drug labs built elsewhere on this planet.

In the meanwhile, there are other alternative preventive measures such as stricter border and customs control, or simply harsh penalties for drug dealing.

> You say this..."Nothing will prevent the smugglers to continue their business."

and then you say that...

>> "In the meanwhile, there are other alternative preventive measures such as stricter border and customs control, or simply harsh penalties for drug dealing."

^^^ Gee...that approach has really been effective.

Are the Chinese manufacturers & Mexican distributors winning the war on drugs?

@Oh Well. I said "Nothing will prevent the smugglers to continue their business." if the drug precursors come from a different country. And just to let you know, drug dealing is often sentenced to death penalty in some countries including China

>> And just to let you know, drug dealing is often sentenced to death penalty in some countries including China.

As it should be.

This one area of punishment where the Taliban excels.

I’m not saying that we should adopt death penalty for drug dealing. But 3 years in prison is definitely not enough to prevent them from taking a risk

>>> I’m not saying that we should adopt death penalty for drug dealing. But 3 years in prison is definitely not enough to prevent them from taking a risk

^^^ Then how about 15 years incarceration (with no parole) for each selling conviction & lifetime imprisonment for each associated death resulting from an illicit sale?

@Captain (ret.) James Parker USN. Death resulting from overdose should be sentenced as harshly as murder, if not more so. That's my point.

As a parent of a college student who I know uses drugs, I know this started with several local doctors who started him on medication for ADHD, which I never felt he had. These medications are amphetamines and closely associated with meth.
The medications made him worse, but he never stopped using them, or finding a way to get it out of local doctors. Then these kids need to find a way to come down to sleep, so they need sleeping medications.
All this started in middle school in Palo Alto.
And the tests at CHC which were recommended by PAUSD, were ridiculous, stressful, costly (requiring payment in many thousands at the time of testing).
He's in graduate school now, and headed to medical school.
When I saw him at breaks throughout college, the drugs had changed his brain chemistry so much, that we no longer recognize him as someone we know.
There is no real feel of emotion or empathy in him, and he barely remembers anything that happened from 7th grade onward.
We lost our son to drugs. His degrees and high grades do not erase the damage done to his brain.
We would have rather had a happy animated creative adult child, than what drugs have turned him into.

No is asking the correct questions here. It's the same old simple-minded "We need to prosecute!" more heavily. Has this EVER worked? no. We need to de-criminalize opiates. also, the picture showing the 30/M's or "blues" are called Roxicets. Whoever wrote this doesn't know anything about drugs and certainly didn't do their diligence. The fact that Stanford barred having Narcan on hand is asinine. Typical American mindset, completely clueless and in DEEP denial about the extent of addiction. The question we need to start asking is WHY, why do people want to take opiates? Benzo's (Valium, Xanax, "bars') What do they get from it? Why aren't people all hysterical over the fact that far more people die from alcohol everyday than all drugs combined and its legal? How does locking people up for using a substance curtail the use? It doesn't. Its just a way for third party to make money (privatized prisons/ the legal system) The REASOn the black market is booming right now is becuase we've gone after the pharmaceuticals , the legit pills and so the black market scoops up all the people who used to have legitimate scripts, and many are legitimate pain patients. But becuase opiates are DEMONIZED we have this kid of total unnecessary hysteria around particular substance. As far as people saying the 80's were safer (cocaine is heavy? Alcohol isnt heavy? m brother died from alcohol, take my word, its the HEAVIEST and dying from it is brutal) But because it's legal we are expected to learn how to drink. Well, the same could be said for opiate products, they were used for thousands of years and were legal in this country until 1914 and there wasn't the problems with them that we see now. Prohibition doesn't work. Everyone should read "Chasing The Scream"

>>> "We need to de-criminalize opiates."

^^ Seriously? Other than a time specific Rx from an MD?


>>> "The question we need to start asking is WHY, why do people want to take opiates?"

^^ Because they are unhappy people & dissatisfied with their lives.

If people only drank or used drugs when they were actually feeling GOOD to begin with, there would be far less addiction issues & related criminal activity.

Some individuals have a predisposition towards substance abuse & they will turn to whatever is available or within reach.

These people (aka addicts) need to be institutionalized & CUT-OFF from their drug addictions. There are many inmates in county jail who have been arrested for drug dealing and/or possession...meth is a popular bust nowadays. When they no longer have access to these drugs, they adapt by doing without...watching TV, sleeping and looking forward to the next crappy meal served up in these facilities.

Once released, they look for a score because once an addict, always an addict & the same goes for tobacco. There is no smoking in jail but upon release, the first thing many released inmates seek is bumming a smoke from someone or looking for a place that sells cigarettes. Nicotine is an addiction as well & most addicts lack the willpower or desire to quit...which is why we have a re-occuring problem with drugs & related criminal activity.

Nice people do not do meth...simple as that.

Only wealthy celebrities can afford these vices & expensive rehab resorts. For the atypical street addict...lock them up indefinitely!

>>> "He's in graduate school now, and headed to medical school.
When I saw him at breaks throughout college, the drugs had changed his brain chemistry so much, that we no longer recognize him as someone we know."

>>>" There is no real feel of emotion or empathy in him, and he barely remembers anything that happened from 7th grade onward.
We lost our son to drugs. His degrees and high grades do not erase the damage done to his brain."

^^^And he is going to be a doctor...as in MD?

Seriously?

quote: "He's in graduate school now, and headed to medical school.
When I saw him at breaks throughout college, the drugs had changed his brain chemistry so much, that we no longer recognize him as someone we know."

Oh great. Another future MD with substance abuse issues. How
irresponsible & reckless to even consider it.

Even with rehab...no assurances.

@Cold turkey is the only way" Your response is pitiful. Your "insight" into addiction is so ignorant I'd laugh but yours is the reason we are in this situation. First of all "once n addict , always an addict" isn't true, there are millions of people who have quit drugs and gone on to successful lives. And, if what you said were true then "once an alcoholic always an alcoholic" "once a porn addict always a porn addict" and on down the line. Even your title "Cold turkey is the only way makes NO sense. Cold turkey is the only way for what? You never even address your title. Learn how to write coherently. Cold turkey has to do with withdrawal, has nothing to do with staying clean.

Countries like Portugal have decriminalized opiates and the crime around it has gone WAAY down because the profit margin isn't there, and usage has gone down too. Seems counter-intuitive to Americans but don't take my word, do some research.There's a few countries that have either legalized it or de-criminilized it and the same effect has happened. Your smug answer about "lock them up indefinitely" becuase addicts can't afford rehabs is about the most stupid thing I've ever heard. It costs 70,000 a year to lock up people. So, what you're saying is instead of having reasonably priced rehabs for "street addicts" you'd rather spend 70,000 a year "indefinitely" this would cost billions and billions. People like you need to hurry up and age out and pass on. You're attitude is grotesque, ignorant, pathetic and more importantly, hasn't worked. I suspect you have a family member who is an addict because your bitterness clearly motivates your harsh and unempathtetic view of addiction.

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