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New Cubberley plan sets stage for tense debate

Original post made on Nov 29, 2019

With the Palo Alto City Council and school district struggling to forge a common vision for redeveloping Cubberley Community Center, a newly released master plan for the 35-acre complex offers a striking picture of what's possible.

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9 people like this
Posted by They who hesitate...
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 29, 2019 at 10:06 am

Wow if they were going to take the neighbor path we could have had a new Foothill Campus on that site today instead of in Sunnyvale.

The estimate of how much additional spaces for the footprint don’t seem honest. Multi story school construction also costs a lot more per square foot to build.


9 people like this
Posted by K55
a resident of Palo Verde
on Nov 29, 2019 at 11:33 am

K55 is a registered user.

should have kept it part of Foothill College, now it will become more dense if CC gets their way.


37 people like this
Posted by margaret
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 29, 2019 at 12:17 pm

meanwhile...

having wasted evenings and days on the sham of so-called 'community' process for what to do about this site and see how it was corrupted by the public officials to a point where it did not resemble in any way anything anybody wanted....and now they will find a way to steal funds from us to pay for it.

The best anybody can do here in this kleptocratic government machine of today's Palo Alto is to leave things exactly as they are






42 people like this
Posted by Don't develop
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 29, 2019 at 12:49 pm

I hope the school district stands firm and doesn't overdevelop this property. The city just wants to overbuild and overdevelop everything they can get their greedy little developer oriented claws into.

What is wrong with large open spaces and parking lots and one story buildings that don't leave you feeling depressed and smothered like the huge monstrosities we are surrounded by everywhere.

Just because a building is 50 or 100 years old doesn't make it obsolete. As long as it has a good roof to keep out the rain it is fine. It doesn't need to have state of the art wiring and blue tooth capabilities. We don't need every building to have all that stuff.

Further we are faced with a huge environmental issues and massive new buildings are not the way to deal with that. Mining out minerals to make re-bar, cutting trees, and producing and pouring concrete are always more environmentally destructive than remodeling the building that is already there.

Also remember that one day there will be a huge city wide disaster (maybe and earthquake) we will need large parking lots and open fields for people to come together and pitch tents and get services before the rebuilding starts. If we cover it all with giant buildings and stacked parking structures, we will have no where to go.

So many reasons not to let the city have it. So yes to letting the school district keep it and use it for the less intensive needs of giving students room to think and grow and not be crowded and overwhelmed (like everyone else in this area).


9 people like this
Posted by DT North
a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 29, 2019 at 1:14 pm

"Don't Develop" - have you been there lately? It is sorely lacking in maintenance and the space is totally inefficient. We have to get over the idea that we can have facilities for everyone and housing for everyone with a single story concept. Too bad Arillaga doesn't sponsor Palo Alto like he does Menlo Park. It would be nice to have a rec center with nice facilities. If we don't fit it there, maybe they can somewhere near the old dump, but Cubberley is dilapidated and not an efficient use of space. My kids will be grown and done by the time anything is finished but even so, I would happily support a bond to fix that place up. And no, not every 50 year old building needs to be demolished but that one would probably cost more to fix up than to start from scratch.


6 people like this
Posted by Gale Johnson
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Nov 29, 2019 at 1:56 pm

Gale Johnson is a registered user.

A great swimming pool from the past. We took our kids to the old pool with the high diving tower on the far end, above the lower diving boards. I think we paid 50 cents each for a one time use visit. There might have been cheaper rates for our kids, but looking back on it, it was one heck of a good deal.


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Posted by Chris
a resident of University South
on Nov 29, 2019 at 2:09 pm

Margaret,

The place is a dump, difficult to maintain, and not a good use of space.

Your comment is completely irrational and without support.

Next time you comment, spell out what you are upset about.


25 people like this
Posted by Citizen
a resident of Community Center
on Nov 29, 2019 at 2:51 pm

No teacher housing at Cubberley. All of the School Board has now agreed that PAUSD has no problems recruiting or retaining teachers. Public assets for the public, not for special interests.


12 people like this
Posted by Confused
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 29, 2019 at 4:54 pm

Pls can someone clarify the 3 lane each side road shown. That isn’t what Middlefield looks like there.


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Posted by Publicus
a resident of Crescent Park
on Nov 29, 2019 at 5:25 pm

The notion that there should be two parallel governments for the same place is absurd. Do away with the notion of school boards and school districts. The city government should run the schools just like it runs anything else regarding the public health and welfare.


30 people like this
Posted by The City has overreached
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 29, 2019 at 7:33 pm

The City has overreached is a registered user.

I agree with Margaret that there were many coercive elements to the process. But more importantly, the City has clearly overreached in terms of ambition on a parcel it doesn't even control.

I spend a lot of time at Cubberley, and do not believe the place is a dump, as Chris from University South refers to it above. It is much loved, sure. And I imagine it is getting harder to maintain. But there is a very wide spectrum between "do nothing, leave it as-is" and building that outrageously expensive colossus the City is promoting. If those are my two choices, though, I am very strongly in the former camp.

Our City has no shortage of compelling projects to spend money on (train crossings? affordable housing? transit?), not to mention the ongoing and very significant pension problem. Cubberley is an extremely valuable property, but for now we need to dial down our ambition for this lot.


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Posted by pmarca
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 29, 2019 at 8:46 pm

By increasing height even slightly, they were able to add more usable space AND increase open green space, so this should be a lesson for all.

INCREASE HEIGHT

If they went even taller, they could have more space, more parking and increase the bang for the buck.

School district should cooperate with the plans, but IF there is need for a school later someday, Palo Alto should cooperate by acquiring or providing new land.

However, we need to STOP doing things the old way or sprawling school buildings.

We need multi-story buildings for schools, office and housing if we are going to make better land use.

The master plan is okay (could be bigger).


14 people like this
Posted by The City has overreached
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 29, 2019 at 8:50 pm

The City has overreached is a registered user.

The argument about open space is specious. What does it matter if (for example) there is 30% more open space when you have 300% more people using it?


20 people like this
Posted by Resident
a resident of another community
on Nov 30, 2019 at 6:45 am

Leave it as it is for future generations.


10 people like this
Posted by margaret
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Nov 30, 2019 at 11:26 am

Anybody been to Bixby Park lately? They bulldozed us a big beautiful dead hill of dirt out of what was promised to be a nature area



15 people like this
Posted by Steven V.
a resident of Menlo Park
on Nov 30, 2019 at 11:55 am

We play Table Tennis from 10 to 2 every Tuesday at the Cubberley Gym. There are typically 30 to 40 Seniors who participate every week. The group has been in Palo Alto for more than 20 years. Where is this group going to go for the years it will take for a massive redevelopment. I agree with the comments that Cubberley should stay the same. I graduated from Cubberley in 1966. No, it is not "dilapidated". There is no AC? What? We are not living In Houston! Furthermore, the facility is well maintained and there is free WiFi everywhere on site.


17 people like this
Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 30, 2019 at 4:18 pm

I'm sorry, but, I think that Palo Alto will need that land for public education, including, eventually, a third high school again. I don't want the education use to get discarded forever. That would not be wise. The city is being forced and will continue to be forced by the political power of developers to add housing. We will need more schools and more land for schools as a result. Don't do anything on that land that will preclude educational use eventually as the school-age population grows.


4 people like this
Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Nov 30, 2019 at 8:14 pm

Public education or re-education.


9 people like this
Posted by Cubberly Resident
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 30, 2019 at 8:49 pm

We hope you all continue to fight. We enjoy our neighborhood and city counsel should realize their greed does not go unnoticed.


21 people like this
Posted by Look forward...Big picture. Long-term. Balanced land uses.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 1, 2019 at 10:38 am

Council should not be surprised. They upended consensus that had been created around a specific plan in the public process by tacking on housing at the last minute--setting a precedent to use Public Facilities-zoned land for housing. At the same time, they pursue rezoning parcels on San Antonio Road and other nearby areas like East Meadow Circles for high density housing--not to mention other sites around the city. These zoning changes will draw large numbers of new residents who will increase demand for community center and school capacity.

Council/Staff, you set up a public process and then abandoned it. Please listen and follow through on your promises.

By adding a surprise housing element in the 11th hour to the Cubberley plans, Council eroded previous public support for the community center/school project and opened the door for PAUSD to back out--something the district had wanted to do right along. You, Council, gave them political cover to do it. That was careless.

If you build all of the housing you envision everywhere else, we will need Cubberley more than ever as a community center and school site. Please do not squander this precious, limited public resource--our city's last, large publicly-owned parcel that can be used for schools, playing fields and community center.

This project origianlly was about meeting the long-term public school and community service needs of a growing, densifying city. Tacking on housing changed that and eroded support. Comprehensive planning requires you to consider future needs. Please do so.


2 people like this
Posted by Member 1
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Dec 3, 2019 at 8:02 am

Look for other charters that are kinder to students . Foothill college could run HS students through useful AA programs on site which could serve all the kids. Pharmacy, Dental, comp sci, EMT, Court reporting could place them in careers or could start them off with useful information and certificates they could use for part time college jobs that are above minimum wage.


Of just another high school that has tiny boxes and elaborate rubrics or an elementary school that is so over packaged only the middle low students have relevant instruction.


4 people like this
Posted by MoveCanneryToCubberly
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Dec 3, 2019 at 5:22 pm

I heard an idea that sounded good to me. Take Fry's cannery building and move it to the Cubberly site. Repurpose this large one story structure as a community center. It would preserve its historic integrity and up-cycle it for broad community use. Way less expensive than building a brand new center and would save on carbon emissions. Besides there are gazillion engineers, albeit software, around to see this through. Win, win, win. The Fry's site then could be cleared for affordable housing. Perfect!!!!


1 person likes this
Posted by CubberlyCommunityHousingYes
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Dec 3, 2019 at 6:04 pm

"...setting a precedent to use Public Facilities-zoned land for housing" And just why is this illegal or wrong? Fair, safe, decent, attractive efficiently built housing should be at this site. Wait until the state comes and demands all cities submit to them all their public land holdings because the needed affordable housing is not getting accomplished. Californians are are in a dire housing emergency - the Silicon Valley is the major hub of an American, humanitarian crisis . Get real. Don't shove poor people into ghetto like settings where there are food deserts and massive concrete pollution emitted into the atmosphere . California is 50 years behind in housing and a Century behind in building it. Just be happy the government is not coming after your sacred home for a freeway or train crossing. I believe in your Roman Civilization argument that just by building it they will come. Cubberely is a fantastic space for everyone to share and especially for providing a sustainable, breathable, walkable, ridable compact housing element for our less fortunate neighbors, seniors, teachers, families. Everything is right there.


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