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Newsom signs landmark police use-of-force bill

Original post made on Aug 19, 2019

California will soon have a tougher new legal standard for the use of deadly force by police, under legislation Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Monday that was inspired by last year's fatal shooting of a young, unarmed man in Sacramento.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, August 19, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 19, 2019 at 3:29 pm

The article says "most" Californians that are killed police are armed. Does anyone have exact numbers? "Most" could mean 99.9% or it could be 50.1%. If 49% percent of the deceased were unarmed, there is a big problem.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2019 at 4:03 pm

I'm all in favor of police being asked to de-escalate if they safely can (we just had an instance of this in Palo Alto recently). But, it doesn't sound like there is any funding associated with this for law-enforcement training in how to deal with the mentally ill. All law enforcement personnel should be trained in how to handle situations involving the mentally ill.

Web Link

This is a link to an incident in which in a suicidal mentally ill person was killed by the responding officer. By some estimates, roughly 1 out of every 4 people killed by law enforcement were mentally ill. Not exactly what "resident" asked though, because the mentally ill person not infrequently has a knife. But, proper training can make incident response safer for both law enforcement and the mentally ill person. Web Link


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Posted by Rolling Eyes
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2019 at 4:07 pm

Attempting to get the minority votes again. When will the Left Coast learn that Gavin Newsom is ruining our state? Look how he left S.F. a mess with drug addicts and homelessness. He is doing the same with Los Angeles, all in the name of minority votes.

This is an outrage. Law enforcement are not Robocops, they can be killed too. I'm tired of everyone blaming police officers (human beings who try to keep the communities safe). Police officers have to make split second decisions and are risking their lives for the public. People seem to support felons who harm the public rather than law enforcement who are protecting the public.

In addition, oftentimes when these"unarmed" people are killed, it's because they are not following the orders of the police. If everyone would listen to police orders, the situations wouldn't escalate. But so many times, they are defiant and running away. How can the police protect us when everyone is a Monday Morning Quarterback? As Christians preach, DO NOT JUDGE. You have no experience being a police officer; most people are not brave enough to wear the suit, they'd rather point fingers.


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Posted by Rolling Eyes
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2019 at 4:19 pm

Remember Rodney King, guy with a record who was being chased by police? What happened to him after he won his $3.8 million? Did he contribute to society? He drowned in the bathtub like his alcoholic father. Cocaine, alcohol, marijuana were found in Rodney's system. Eric Garner's death? He was not listening to police orders and he was illegally selling cigarettes. Not condoning police violence, just making the point that law enforcement officers are contributing positively to the public safety while these criminals are not. There are too many rights for criminals in the U.S.


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Posted by Human Rights
a resident of South of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2019 at 4:23 pm

> There are too many rights for criminals in the U.S.

Then you have a problem with the United States Constitution. What do you want changed? Specifically...


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Posted by Latrelle
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 19, 2019 at 7:45 pm

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Posted by Wake up
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 19, 2019 at 10:25 pm

Great. Limit the effectiveness of the police so they can’t protect us all from the criminals. This is insane.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. This is PC gone too far


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Aug 19, 2019 at 10:56 pm

^ Corollary of the state limiting our means to protect ourselves.


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Posted by Fair
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 20, 2019 at 8:24 am

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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 20, 2019 at 9:46 am

Posted by Rolling Eyes, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood

>> This is an outrage. Law enforcement are not Robocops, they can be killed too. I'm tired of everyone blaming police officers (human beings who try to keep the communities safe). Police officers have to make split second decisions and are risking their lives for the public. People seem to support felons who harm the public rather than law enforcement who are protecting the public.

Please inform yourself regarding the issues of the mentally ill interacting with police. I just posted a couple of references, but, they are all over if you are willing to consider an alternative point of view.

>> In addition, oftentimes when these"unarmed" people are killed, it's because they are not following the orders of the police. If everyone would listen to police orders, the situations wouldn't escalate.

True enough. But, you know what? Mentally ill people often don't do the rational thing. Which is one reason why they are "16 times more likely to be killed during a police encounter than other civilians approached or stopped by law enforcement" . Web Link


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Posted by You listening PAPD?
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 20, 2019 at 10:34 am

No more out of control, weak-ego'd cops slamming people into cars after they're already handcuffed, Mmm-kay? Mmm-kay :)


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Posted by California is great
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 20, 2019 at 11:49 am

> When will the Left Coast learn that Gavin Newsom is ruining our state?


You're outnumbered 2-1 in CA. Gavin beat the heck out of that non-name who tried to run against him. Yet somehow Gavin has ruined the state in less than a year?

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Posted by California is great
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 20, 2019 at 11:50 am

This is a great post:

> There are too many rights for criminals in the U.S.
> Then you have a problem with the United States Constitution. What do you want changed? Specifically...

Where's the answer, @rollingeyes?


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Posted by A Kinder Gentler PD Is Needed
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 20, 2019 at 1:07 pm

Though exceptions apply, the police should attempt to treat all suspects with some vestige of dignity & respect rather than attempting to bully them into submission.

In regards to police killings of unarmed suspects, why do they always shoot to kill? Wounding a suspect is just as effective & no one should be shot in the back while fleeing. That is why the PD has police dogs & helicopters.


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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 20, 2019 at 2:15 pm

Please be honest in your reportage. The legislation was "inspired by last year's fatal shooting of a young, unarmed man in Sacramento."

You left out an important word in that sentence between unarmed and man. It was a young "black" man that was fatally shot.

Wonder if there would be legislation passed had the victim had been a young "white" man given the exact same circumstances ?


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 20, 2019 at 2:33 pm

Posted by What Will They Do Next, a resident of Old Palo Alto

>> Wonder if there would be legislation passed had the victim had been a young "white" man given the exact same circumstances ?

Difficult to answer "what if"s but, a sincere effort to comply with the legislation will save many white lives as well as black lives. It isn't the job of the police to play judge, jury, and executioner. From the highest law in the land:

"Amendment VI

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

==

"Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."


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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 20, 2019 at 5:13 pm

@ anon....I agree with you completely. Just wondering....


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Posted by David
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 8:39 am

Governor Newsome continues to ruin the state of California. He will be putting the lives of every California peace officer at risk with this poor excuse of legislation. I predict and even greater exodus of trained law enforcement in the coming months. Many law enforcement agencies are struggling to recruit qualified and competent candidates, now it will be even harder once these potential candidates see this legislation. They will be all fleeing like so many other to neighboring states that still have leadership that support our police, sheriff and other peace officers.


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 22, 2019 at 9:17 am

In these reported news incidents of police shooting suspects, why are there so many rounds fired at the suspect? Sometimes 9-10 hits.

You would think 1-2 shots should suffice if the police are adequately trained in firearms usage.





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Posted by California is great
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:11 am

Can't get anybody to carry a gun, and make $100-120k for the rest of their lives (look at those pensions!)

Your prediction is wrong. The biggest problem for PA is getting them to live in town and not Manteca.

Quit reading the various POA propaganda.


> Governor Newsome continues to ruin
You're outnumbered 2-1 in CA. Gavin beat the heck out of that non-name who tried to run against him. Yet somehow Gavin has ruined the state in less than a year?


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2019 at 11:24 am

Posted by David, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood

>> They will be all fleeing like so many other to neighboring states that still have leadership that support our police, sheriff and other peace officers.

Upholding the rule of law -is the job-. Anyone not committed to upholding the rule of law should find another line of work.

In the meantime, I sincerely hope that more police officers in more departments insist on proper training and department (re-)organization to better handle mentally ill people.


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Posted by Manteca Or Bust
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 22, 2019 at 2:02 pm

> The biggest problem for PA is getting them to live in town and not Manteca.

^^^ If such is the case, then some PA PD officers should consider working in Manteca as Manteca offers less expensive housing costs & a closer commute...this is the same logic being applied to the new office workers who will be occupying the newer office developments in PA.

You cannot have your cake & eat it too.


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