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Bears could be packing their football gear for Eureka

Original post made on Dec 2, 2018

The news that Central Coast Section Open Division I champion Menlo-Atherton will have to travel all the way to Eureka for its NorCal regional 3AA bowl game -- while Wilcox, the team M-A beat, is getting a home game -- outraged many followers of the program as well as other observers of California prep football.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Sunday, December 2, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Posted by CIF nonsense
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 2, 2018 at 8:26 pm

The knuckleheads at CIF get it wrong again. MA played and won all of the CCS playoff games it was scheduled to play, including a game against Milpitas that was delayed a week and played in Salinas due to smoke from the Butte Fire. Eureka was not able to play all of their playoff games due to the fire but got into the state playoffs by a coin flip. Why is the team that got into the game by winning a coin flip hosting the playoff game instead of the team that got into the game by winning an actual football game? And to top it off, the team that MA defeated for the CCS Championship, Wilcox, gets to stay home and host a game. Unbelievable.


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Posted by by that posted
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Dec 2, 2018 at 10:25 pm

^^^^^^

That. All that.


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Posted by NCS nonsense
a resident of another community
on Dec 3, 2018 at 7:33 am

In response to the CIF nonsense comment that Eureka did not play all games they were scheduled to play. We were given a bye in the first round due to rankings. We played and won every playoff game after that. Also we wanted to play Cardinal Newman but they elected to flip a coin. Please get your facts straight [portion removed.] EHS has earned this just as much as MA. Where the game is played really doesn't matter.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of another community
on Dec 3, 2018 at 9:26 am

I live in Eureka.

Web Link The field condition of Eureka High School is posted on highlight via website above.

Is this where CIF wants a NorCal Championship game to be played on?

Correct, it doesn't matter where we play, just make sure the field is in compliance and safe for ALL the players. No one should be playing on this field, especially, in these conditions.

CIF should come out and visit this site for themselves.


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Posted by M-A needs respect
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 3, 2018 at 12:36 pm

It sure does matter. The field in Eureka is not in conditions to play. The Mexico City NFL game was canceled due to the field quality, and this game should as well. Also, @NCS nonsense, you really have to look at strenght of schedul. MA played Valor Christian and Wilcox, who did Eureka play? Also, where the game is played does matter... home field advantage?

CIF nonsense makes a great, valid point!


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Posted by Safety Issue
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 3, 2018 at 3:02 pm

If the teams end up playing on this field and someone gets hurt due to the field condition and negligence on CIF part not assessing this, best believe there can be lawsuits. Brighten up your pea size brains CIF. You already made the mistake of not being fair to MA and how they "earned" a spot in this game.


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Posted by CIF Nonsense
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 3, 2018 at 5:26 pm

The Mercury News has additional depth on this. The field conditions at Eureka High are indeed in poor condition. Apparently CIF was not aware of this when they decided to play the game there. That’s irresponsible. Now they are scrambling to find an alternate location. Maybe it’s time for a less subjective way of making these decisions and/or for new people to be making them.

Web Link


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 3, 2018 at 6:21 pm

Is the team going to fly or take a bus to Eureka?

M-A Boosters/Alumni should arrange for a chartered flight.

Team deserves to travel in style.


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Posted by Joe Football
a resident of another community
on Dec 3, 2018 at 8:16 pm

Yes, this playoff season has been excruciating and unfair for many teams, including Eureka. They wanted to play Cardinal Newman very badly. It a was perfect setup - the 2 best teams would play for the section title, just as these tournaments are designed. And it would have been a heck of a game! When CN opted for a coin toss, Eureka was very unhappy! Eureka was never given that option and would never have taken it! CN, with their choice, are sitting home this weekend when they could be on a field somewhere, but for their ill-advised gamble! They decided they didn't want to face Eureka. They will live with that decision.

As to the condition of the field .... it is horrible, but it was EXACTLY the same for both teams. Eureka does not control the weather. The week-long rain that put out the fires (which is why we are in this position in the first place)was not so kind to football teams. Let's get some perspective here folks!

Having said that, I'm pretty sure that Eureka will be delighted to face M/A anytime, anywhere! I'm sure that a playable field will be found. Let's put aside the NCS-CIF bs and cheer on the kids, who are playing under difficult circumstances!

Have fun guys!



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Posted by M-A needs respect
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 3, 2018 at 9:05 pm

The kids at Menlo Atherton will take a buss up on Thursday, and spend Thursday and Friday night there.

The field is TRASH! Eureka's kicker missed 17 Extra Points due to mud. CIF made a mistake in using that field. They made another mistake in giving MA an away game... justice will be served on the field


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Posted by Joe's Wrong
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 3, 2018 at 9:22 pm

Eureka should get a big fat * next to their record for not winning a section championship game.


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Posted by JR McDugan
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 3, 2018 at 9:41 pm

JR McDugan is a registered user.

They should compromise and hold the game at a neutral site like Stanford Stadium or Berkeley.


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Posted by MikeCR
a resident of another community
on Dec 3, 2018 at 10:38 pm

Joe Football,

I attended the Eureka vs Las Lomas game.

The "same conditions for both teams" argument is weak. One offense depends upon passing. The other offense focuses on running.

What happens when you put these offenses in an ankle deep mud pit covering the middle of the field from one 10 yard line to the other?

You get more turnovers than passing attempts!

(It's hard to believe -- but that is what happened last Saturday night. Let that one sink in for a minute. Two undefeated teams playing in a section semi-final game had more turnovers than passing attempts!!)

It is sad that NCS allowed the game to be played in those ridiculous conditions.


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Posted by Joe Football
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2018 at 8:51 am

MikeCR, my argument may have been weak because I was not arguing, just stating a fact. You are right, Eureka was not able to use their excellent passing game, but they were able to adapt to the horrible conditions better than LL did.

Joe's Wrong - please note that Eureka was never given the opportunity to play for the section title. They wanted nothing more.

At any rate, another field has been secured, so let's go support 2 good teams on Friday night!


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Posted by Eureka fan
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2018 at 9:23 am

We all have legitimate gripes about how we arrived at this point. The NCS leadership was poor in handling the consequences of the Camp fire. The Humboldt-Del Norte league offered to host all the quarter final games on local fields several days before the weekend of Nov. 16-17. On the 16th the NCS or CIF granted that option. The majority of schools affected declined that option and those games couldn’t be played, which put the NCS teams at th mercy of a coin flip.

If I were an M-A fan I would be scratching my head too seeing that Wilcox gets a home game and M-A has to travel several hours. (We played at Scott’s Valley and Union City so we get it.) The field of play will be at McKinleyville HS which hasn’t Had a football ball game played on it since October.

Big picture- I’m sure the residents of Paradise would find this discussion amusing. Let’s all be thankful the kids are playing this far into the post season.


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Posted by Let's Be Real
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 4, 2018 at 12:45 pm

Anyone, on either side of the argument. Explain why Wilcox gets a home game, and MA must travel? Traveling and then playing is annoying, difficult, and hard!

Secondly, why can't it be played at Stanford Stadium or something like that? Nice field, and a VERY neutral location. Also, is Eureka a pass first or run first attack?

All I know is that the quality of the fields up there are trash. 17 MISSED PAT for Eureka's kicker... my point, the field must be changed.


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Posted by Eureka fan
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2018 at 3:18 pm

Re:@Let's Be Real's question about Wilcox getting a home game, according to the SJ Mercury their opponent - Capital, should have gotten home field advantage but they are being punished for player misconduct by moving the game to Wilcox. So many moving pieces that everything gets shaken up.

Re: Eureka Loggers missing 17 extra points, must have been a poster's typo. I was at the game. The score was Eureka 21 - Las Lomas 0. Eureka missed 1 extra point, made 1 extra point and ran for 2 extra points on their 3rd and final TD.

Despite field conditions on that day, the better team that day won. Eureka turned the ball over on 5 fumbles the first half, so field conditions hurt them too. Yet Las Lomas was shut out.

Friday night's game in McKinleyville H.S. will be played on a field that hasn't had a football game played on it since October, I believe.


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Posted by MikeCR
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2018 at 4:25 pm

Joe,

OK. I'll accept the idea that you stated a fact. Both teams faced the same unplayable conditions.

You appear to be asserting that this was OK. If so, then you need a lesson in ethics.

The NCS' philosophy is to "Pursue Victory With Honor". The staff at Eureka High School obtained their victory at the expense of their honor.

This was not your average regular season game. This was two undefeated teams meeting in a section semi-final. Had EHS done the right thing they would have advised the NCS of the unplayable conditions and arranged for last Saturday's game to be played at an alternate location. (But EHS felt the ankle deep mud gave them an advantage -- so honor went out the window.)

To make matters worse EHS staff failed to disclose the bad conditions to the CIF when the Menlo Atherton game was scheduled. (As the M-A athletic director noted in this article... "Eureka wasn't so honest about the condition of their field".)

EHS kept its undefeated record at the expense of its reputation.


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Posted by Joe Football
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2018 at 7:27 pm

Mike, are you a native Californian? What are unplayable conditions? You could use a lesson in football. Football is meant to be played in all weather conditions. In the other 49 states it is played in all conditions. Games are played in the rain, even if the field gets torn up, and when it's 0 degrees outside and games are played in a foot of snow. They just sweep off the yard lines at halftime. The elements are one of the pieces of the puzzle that the coaches and team have to account for and adjust to. And you are whining about a little rain? Yes, it rains in NorCal. Is this news to you?


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Posted by MikeCR
a resident of another community
on Dec 4, 2018 at 10:01 pm

Joe, I am northern CA native. Back to my great, great grandparents in the late 1800's. (I am sure you are a carpetbagger compared to me.)

But that is not the point. The point is that you are apparently clueless about the responsibilities that a school accepts when agreeing to host a regional playoff game. (I'll give you a clue... Pursue victory with honor.)

If my take on this is wrong -- then please explain why the CIF is requiring this week's game to be played at McKinnleyville. Does the CIF not understand football?









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Posted by MA Deserves Respect
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 5, 2018 at 12:08 am

Mike, I completly agree with you.Everyone should read his comment. It is very interesting to see how to philosophy ties into the acctions being enforced. I beleive that Eureka can only hang with MA when they play on their field, otherwise, game over.

Joe, NFL football and High School is different. We must protect our students, safety first, c'mon. These students are student athletes, and they are students before they are athletes, we must keep them safe. Rain doesn't bother any of us, but ankle deep mud, holes, and hazards are not ok.

"Pursue with honor" is a key statement. Eureka did not say that their field was pitiful, they apparently omitted that so that they could get a home game. That means no bus cost, no hotel cost, no travel inconvenience, home field advantage... yea, its not right.


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Posted by Chad
a resident of another community
on Dec 5, 2018 at 9:38 am

I graduated from M-A in the 90's and have lived in Humboldt for over 25 years. I am glad the game will be on McKinleyville field - above sea level. That said, M-A players bring you longest cleats. The McK field is still tacky at best. Go M-A!!!! Win it for Coach Parks AND M-A. Bring your muscle and win the north!
Don't listen to all of this political talk- just win.


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Posted by MA Deserves Respect
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 5, 2018 at 10:19 am

Chad,

I totally agree, MA needs to go up and win the game. If they won against 12-0 Wilcox, and then against 12-0 Eureka on their home field, they will finally gain respect!

However, I am skeptical that Eureka is trying to use their fields to their advantage. They are used to playing in mud and through uneven grass and potholes in the grass. They claimed their field was playable, something that was obviously wrong. They feel like that gives them an advantage (possibly the only way they feel they can win) and thus said that their field was ok. Someone explain why the game can't be at MA, and they can use a portable or something as a locker room. C'mon, like why can't we find safe conditions. CIF, you need to visit the field. If they visit, and deem it ok we won't be mad. However, if they trust Eureka on the description of their field, and don't visit, there will be a problem. The field looks like it is in the 1920's, it is a slip'n slide.

CLICK ON THIS LINK AND LOOK AT THE PICTURE...PLEASE! That, is not a football field.

Web Link


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Posted by Eureka fan
a resident of another community
on Dec 5, 2018 at 11:52 am

Thank you, Chad for your positive contribution. Eureka has home county advantage due to a coin flip and the byzantine playoff scheduling process of the NCS and/or CIF, not some nefarious scheme of the Loggers' coaching staff. They're practicing on their sloppy field all this week because that is what they have. The game will be on a neutral site a dozen miles from Eureka High. M-A will do fine and is the favored team to win.

We should cut Humboldt & Del Norte counties a little slack. No high school in those counties has a turf field and two schools - Ferndale and St. Bernard don't even have lights on their field. Football is usually muddy by November up here. Eureka is practicing on it's home field this week because that's what they have. The SF peninsula is one of the most prosperous areas in the state with a much higher median income and tax base. Sure they have better facilities. I'm happy for them, it's just different up here. I'll root for whoever wins this week to go all the way.


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Posted by M-A needs respect
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 5, 2018 at 4:29 pm

Better, it was moved to McKinleyville High, but still. Why is it closer to Eureka than MA?

Coin flip vs 21 point comeback?

Seems Legit


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Posted by Chad
a resident of another community
on Dec 5, 2018 at 5:41 pm

Things will be good for M-A. The McKinleyville field is a good one. 40% CHANCE of rain according to NOAA (as of now). M-A families please drive slowly and safely up to Humboldt. The 101 is a long one. The folks commenting from the M-A community tell your friends this please. No need to rush. Allow 6-7 hours for the drive. Talmage avenue in Ukiah has Costco gasoline. You should fill up there. It is half way point from the peninsula. Holiday Inn Express in McKinleyville is your best and cleanest place to stay in Humboldt! Book it tonight. See you Friday night! Players bring your long cleats in addition to whatever cleats you normally where. The field will not be a mud bowl like that in MA Deserves Respect's weblink. Are you coming up MA Deserves Respect?


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Posted by Chad
a resident of another community
on Dec 5, 2018 at 5:42 pm

Things will be good for M-A. The McKinleyville field is a good one. 40% CHANCE of rain according to NOAA (as of now). M-A families please drive slowly and safely up to Humboldt. The 101 is a long one. The folks commenting from the M-A community tell your friends this please. No need to rush. Allow 6-7 hours for the drive. Talmage avenue in Ukiah has Costco gasoline. You should fill up there. It is half way point from the peninsula. Holiday Inn Express in McKinleyville is your best and cleanest place to stay in Humboldt! Book it tonight. See you Friday night! Players bring your long cleats in addition to whatever cleats you normally where. .


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Posted by footballfan
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 5, 2018 at 6:00 pm

“I told them if that was a deal-breaker could we host at a different site,’’ M-A athletic director Paul Snow said. “They said I could put in a request for another site, but it was always our number one priority to host at M-A and not at an alternate site.’’

It sounds to me like Paul Snow flaked!


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Posted by MA Deserves Respect
a resident of Menlo Park
on Dec 5, 2018 at 10:52 pm

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Posted by Eureka fan
a resident of another community
on Dec 6, 2018 at 10:03 am

For M-A fans traveling to the game, you might also want to consider lodging at one of the motels off the Giuntoli (Gee-un-toly) exit in Arcata. There is a cluster of motels including a Best Western, Red Roof Inn, Hampton Inn, and Motel 6. There's also eating and shopping facilities in the same block. It's about a 6 minute drive to the McKinleyville field from there per Mapquest.


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Posted by MikeCR
a resident of another community
on Dec 6, 2018 at 3:32 pm

Wrapping up my comments on this matter...

Eureka has a very good football team. That is not in question.

My complaint is that the game played last Saturday night was a farce. Neither team could function in any manner approaching normality. A section semi-final game deserves to be played under better conditions. The NCS was asleep at the wheel. The NCS should apologize to everyone involved and should publish standards for schools to adhere to in the future when a school agrees to host a section playoff game.

CIF has taken action and moved this week's game. That is a good thing. It will be interesting to see how the game comes out. Good luck to all of you.


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