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Palo Alto officer disciplined for hitting neighbor's car

Original post made on Oct 5, 2018

A Palo Alto police officer faced criminal charges last year after investigators concluded that he had hit his neighbor's parked car with his own personal vehicle, neglected to leave a note and then repeatedly denied his involvement in the collision to officers from another agency.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, October 5, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Posted by Debbie
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 5, 2018 at 10:55 pm

I would like to know what the disciplinary actions were to this officer. We don’t need to have his name made public, but as a taxpayer I would like to know what actions were taken by the police department management.


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Posted by Terry
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 5, 2018 at 11:16 pm

Given that the officer's conduct was dishonorable, and we don't know who he is, how are we supposed to respect any Palo Alto officer we may encounter?


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Posted by Illuminato
a resident of another community
on Oct 6, 2018 at 6:17 am

Felony hit and run is okay in Palo Alto as long as you're a policeman. That really, really sucks. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 6, 2018 at 7:24 am

"repeatedly denied his involvement "

That called LYING where I was raised.

These entitled jerks who don't take personal responsibility for their actions should be tech CEO's, not law enforcement officers.

He should be fired. Why on earth would any one trust this jerk? In a job where Trust should be everything.

This is insane - who made this decision? They should be gone also. Conduct unbecoming.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 6, 2018 at 7:29 am

"We don’t need to have his name made public"

Why not? He repeatedly decided to LIE.


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Posted by Sally
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 6, 2018 at 8:11 am

Trying to hide from accountability for a mistake, then repeatedly lying about it to authorities... and you keep your badge. This is everything that is wrong WTH modern police culture. He has shown he is willing to lie in a formal setting and this should disqualify one from service. Period.

We need to know that the leadership feels this way. If there are obstacles in their way, they need to articulate what they are and convince us they're trying to change them.


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Posted by R.Davis
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 8:16 am

R.Davis is a registered user.

QUOTE: I would like to know what the disciplinary actions were to this officer.

Just guessing. Time-off with pay or administrative duties with pay? We often read or hear about these particular forms of in-house disciplinary actions.


QUOTE: Given that the officer's conduct was dishonorable, and we don't know who he is, how are we supposed to respect any Palo Alto officer we may encounter?

By not pre-judging others based on the actions of one.


QUOTE: "repeatedly denied his involvement "

Character & integrity + public expectations of a LEO was breached here. If he's ever cited another driver for a hit & run violation, it would be somewhat hypocritical.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 6, 2018 at 8:36 am

"it would be somewhat hypocritical."

Somewhat?!?! He lied repeatedly to law enforcement. Go get a ticket from this liar, go to court and submit he is an unreliable witness, a proven liar.

Whoops, my bad! Is this The Onion?


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Posted by Madias
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 6, 2018 at 11:37 am

Well, add that to the list of institutions that I have lost all respect for..

1. The President
2. Congress
3. Professional Athletes (Lance, Bonds, etc.)
4. The San Francisco Fire Department (Drunk fire engine driver murdered motorcyclist and dept. coverup)
5. The Palo Alto Police (Liars and dept. coverup)

Sigh...


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Posted by Madias
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 6, 2018 at 11:40 am

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Posted by Oh, geez
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2018 at 12:16 pm

Such a shame, another reason for people to hate law enforcement, when we should be respecting them for laying their lives on the line for us. Remember everyone, there are good and bad in every profession: doctors, lawyers, venture capitalists, businessmen, politicians, all careers have their good and bad. And what about the religion that condones poor behavior as long as it's confessed?


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 6, 2018 at 12:21 pm

"Such a shame, another reason for people to hate law enforcement, when we should be respecting them for laying their lives on the line for us. Remember everyone, there are good and bad in every profession: doctors"

How many logical fallacies are you aiming for? Would you go to a doctor who is demonstrably a liar?

Invest with a VC who is demonstrably a liar? (insert joke here)

Why are you defending a demonstrably bad cop? This guy should be gone.


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Posted by Flo
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 6, 2018 at 12:35 pm

Does it mean we ordinary people can do it and get away?

Our country is sick! Both big and small


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Posted by lenny k
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 6, 2018 at 1:07 pm

we should know his/her name so that any ticket or arrest which relies on his testimony can be lawfully, legally, fairly challenged on the grounds that he or she has a history of lying to investigators. if they dont want to fire him bc of a union nightmare, give their name so we can protect ourselves from future false claims by this officer.


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Posted by Menlo guy
a resident of Menlo Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 2:09 pm

SAME thing happened to me! Hit and run damaged my property. Caught the guy with our security camera. Called the police to arrest the guy, but he was the son of a police officer. 6 officers talked (intimidated) me out of pressing charges.

What a corrupt bunch.


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Posted by Omnipotence Has Its Privileges
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 2:20 pm

> I would like to know what the disciplinary actions were to this officer.
>> He has shown he is willing to lie in a formal setting and this should disqualify one from service. Period.


The Palo Alto Police Officers Association is a powerful union that protects its own. They also contribute to election campaigns and endorse various SCCSC judges who reflect their best interests.

Ever wonder why it is so difficult to challenge a traffic citation even though you are innocent with proof? Reason: The various traffic commissioners and judges cater to the police departments because they want their continued support come election time.

The average voter always buys into a falsely perceived "Law & Order" platform which only perpetuates the existing scenario.

This particular incident should come as no real surprise to anyone except for the fact that it was actually brought to light.


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Posted by sek
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 3:34 pm

Bad cops gotta go, to protect the good ones.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 4:27 pm

I guess there's not enough guts or moral fortitude and good judgement left in this town anymore ... the "discipline" for this is firing. And it's just too bad that we do not have some way to claw back the huge investment we make when we hire a Police Officer to be above reproach and then uncover something like this. Very disappointed. If I was a fellow officer it would not make me happy for everyone to think that all of us are below that same low bar.

And from the stories I've heard over the years that have made it to the news, like the antics of the SFPD, the nerve of taking this "inaction" when it reached the public tells us they very well could be far worse in house.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon-sarcasm_mode
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 4:29 pm

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Posted by Par For the Course
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 5:42 pm

From the article..."auditors did criticize the Palo Alto investigators for providing an "overly generous forum for the officer to explain his circumstances."

Law enforcement has what they call 'professional courtesies'. This is a waiver for things like speeding & suspected DUIs. It only applies if one happens to be a cop and is pulled over by another. A brotherhood of sorts.

Naturally the police investigators did their very best to downplay the incident.
Would an average citizen get the same breaks?


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Posted by How many others
a resident of Menlo Park
on Oct 6, 2018 at 8:23 pm

This dirty one was caught (but ultimately got his job back). How many others are out there getting away with crimes committed on taxpayers?


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Posted by This reminds me...
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 6, 2018 at 8:26 pm

For those of you who are Simpsons aficionados, there’s an episode where Homer is watching a TV show parody of Cops. Theme song? Bad cops, bad cops. Bad cops, bad cops with a chief “piggum”?

This situation ring a bell?

Though I do wanna ask, how does the majority of Palo Alto citizens feel about its police force?


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Posted by The Mean Streets of Palo Alto
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 6, 2018 at 9:32 pm

>> Though I do wanna ask, how does the majority of Palo Alto citizens feel about its police force?

(1) They are very knowledgeable when it comes to suggesting a place that serves an exceptional cup of coffee and fresh baked pastries.

(2) They are very helpful when it comes to referring you to the downtown police station for a minor accident report that they could easily complete themselves
(#1 being an apparent priority).

(3) They always seem to be in a hurry to get somewhere (#1 again?).

(4) They are very reliable when it comes to appearing in court for a petty traffic citation you are challenging as the sojourn amounts to some additional time-off (and perhaps #1 again?)

(5) It was mentioned in another thread that despite their relatively high salary combined with Palo Alto's overall reputation as a safe city, some of the younger officers are leaving PA for 'more action'. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by This reminds me...
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 6, 2018 at 11:12 pm

@The Mean Streets of Palo Alto,
Thanks for the share.

How is PAPD in regards to speeding and other traffic "violations"?

I do remember my child, who was biking, was making a right turn onto Bryant Bike Road on her way to Paly. A rather intimidating cop was stopping each biking student who failed to stop at the stop sign, even if turning right to get onto Bryant.... and threatening them that he could give them a ticket if he so inclined. *eye roll*


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Posted by R. Davis
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 7, 2018 at 7:48 am

QUOTE: (5) It was mentioned in another thread that despite their relatively high salary combined with Palo Alto's overall reputation as a safe city, some of the younger officers are leaving PA for 'more action'.

Doesn't make sense. That would be like a Beverly Hills cop requesting a transfer to Compton.


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Posted by Dontrelle
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 7, 2018 at 3:11 pm

>Trying to hide from accountability for a mistake, then repeatedly lying about it to authorities... and you keep your badge. This is everything that is wrong WTH modern police culture. He has shown he is willing to lie in a formal setting and this should disqualify one from service. Period.

It happens all the time...most notably during conflicted accounts of police-related shootings.


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Posted by Jim
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2018 at 10:08 am

Why was this officer allow to plea to a lesser charge? He lied and tired to cover it up and he gets to plea to a lesser charge. Unbelievable.


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Posted by member
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:00 am

People who work or are elected to serve seem to feel they are above the law. This runs in both political parties. During the last administration (Obama), lying certainly occurred and only now members of the FBI and DOJ are having to resign. I don't remember any administration where 9 members of the FBI were forced to leave, basically for lying. Here the police department in Palo Alto seem to have the same problem. Government officials seem to feel they can lie and walk away without any penalty.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:19 am

I wonder what the implication would have been if the roles were reversed..

I bet the neighbor's name would have been published and there would have bee charges for lying.

Please publish the officer's name. I'm sure if we -Palo Altans -ever have to interact with him/her, we will FULLY document things to make sure there aren't more lies.


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Posted by Another day, another coverup
a resident of Atherton
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:22 am

This is such crap if it had been any one of us i know we would have been dragged off to jail for lying to a cop, forced to give blood for probable cause,charged w/DUI, Giving false info,obstruction of justice, failed to leave a note at the scene of a crime and what other charges they can think of,
5 month vacation and what? An infraction? his punishment... He has to get the chief coffee n a donut every day for a week? This little sewing circle they have going on needs to stop,


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Posted by TheBadLieutenant
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:26 am

Do we selecting our police by their ability to police and interact with the public professionally,
or do we pick them for their loyalty and dedication to protect the property and persons of
an increasingly kleptocratic elite while instilling fear and hostility in the general public?

Is the deal that the police the elite and the elite protects the police?


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:37 am

It disgusts me that no one seems to have thought about or mentioned how this must seem to the neighbor who has to live next to this symbol of corruption.

The neighbor and all the rest of us should be due the respect of not having what amounts to a dishonest cop living in our midst, who has been officially condoned for conduct unbecoming.


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Posted by Robspierre
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:44 am

"It disgusts me that no one seems to have thought about or mentioned how this must seem to the neighbor who has to live next to this symbol of corruption."

Sorry we disgust you.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 8, 2018 at 11:50 am

" (Obama), lying certainly occurred and only now members of the FBI and DOJ are having to resign"

Is this The Onion?

We have today's politicians that lie in record numbers (Trump's 4,000 documented lies, plus his administration's dozens of indictments and guilty pleas) as well as historically tragic lies from Bush just before Obama (Iraq has WMD, which killed 5,000 brave American soldiers.)

And this bozo brings up Obama in a thread about a cop who should be fired for LYING about his criminal behavior?

What a world. Please go back to infowars or BeerBart.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 8, 2018 at 12:06 pm

@Liars ... don't worry, all that will be fixed by deleting posts that complain, or not they don't even bother to delete them.

Over on Steven Levy's farcical discussions, he doesn't even bother to caption, label or mention that he is wiping out peoples original posts if they disagree with him, and substituting his own comments for theirs all through his "discussions" so it is much more difficult to tell that almost every comment is hacked to bits.

Can we get a name of who is doing this hacking, uh, censorship ... seems like it is a new person with extreme right-wing views who cannot resist cutting out viewpoints he disagrees with.


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Posted by anneke
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 8, 2018 at 12:11 pm

Some wise sayings about "lying":

1. A liar will not be believed, even if he tells the truth. (Cicero)

2. Lying demands fantasy, acting talent and memory. (Nietzsche)

3. There are people who can lie so convincingly, that they even shed tears while lying. (Otto Weiss)

4. There are people who are so used to not telling the truth that they are no longer aware when they lie. (Nietzsche)

5. The most lies occur after a hunting party, during a war, and before an election. (Bismarck)


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Posted by Anneke
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 8, 2018 at 12:17 pm

One more thing:

The title of this article is wrong. It should be:

"Palo Alto Officer disciplined for lying about hitting neighbor's car"


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Posted by Elizabeth
a resident of South of Midtown
on Oct 8, 2018 at 12:32 pm

"Paid administrative leave,"

Three words that run chills down my spine.

I'd happily take paid administrative leave. In other fields, it's called a vacation. Only in this regard, it's the citizens who pay to reward an officer with paid time off for their offenses.

Do we have a follow up law that requires them to reimburse the city if they prove guilty of the offense?


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Posted by Looks at PA Cops differently now
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 8, 2018 at 2:02 pm

This is chilling. We now cannot trust our PA cops because we do not know which one is the broken one. At least 1 PA cop is morally bankrupt and the rest seem to be covering up and protecting him. Is this the Catholic Church? Sandusky's Penn State? "Shhh, no big deal, he's a good guy...it'll all go away soon enough"

This town now has a walking talking gun toting morality crisis in our police dept.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm

Looks at PA Cops differently now:
>At least 1 PA cop is morally bankrupt and the rest seem to be covering up and protecting him.

That seems a bit over the top. We have no idea from how other officers feel.

Wouldn't it be interesting to know police dept. employees think about this?

It is interesting to speculate about what other officers would do if they had a democratic
input into their workplace and could vote on whether they want to still work with this person.

Generalizing, our political systems are too brittle, opaque and slow these days to put correct
incentives in place, and over time the problem just compounds.

We the people have lost control, or rather had it stolen from us by people who are turning out
to all image and no substance.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 8, 2018 at 2:35 pm

"We have no idea from how other officers feel."

Bet they feel safe and secure that if they lie, cheat and break laws, they'll be okay.

"other officers would do if they had a democratic input into their workplace"

Shall we just nationalize all workplaces and run with a worker collective for every workplace, regardless of existing laws?

We give them a badge and a gun. They should have the highest standards, absolutely beyond reproach. It drives me crazy that mollycoddlers do not believe in personal responsibility - they want to give this bad cop a participation award.

[Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language]


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Posted by Time to Move On People
a resident of University South
on Oct 8, 2018 at 3:06 pm

Dear Outraged Citizens of Palo Alto:

Despite your apparent scorn, you will never be privy to any additional information pertaining to this incident. The matter has been handled internally and it is advised that you best go on about your own personal business rather than continually dwell or vent about an issue that remains beyond your control and/or influence.

That said, have a nice day and report any suspicious activities to the PAPD who are here to serve and protect the residents and visitors of Palo Alto.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 8, 2018 at 3:53 pm

"to the PAPD who are here to serve and protect the residents and visitors of Palo Alto"

But most of all, to protect a fellow cop even though he LIED about fleeing a hit and run.. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by Another day, another coverup
a resident of Atherton
on Oct 8, 2018 at 4:13 pm

After we pay a hefty bail (money lost)we would be released from jail, then there would Shame bcuz i am 100% sure our names would have been posted. Then theres time off work to go to court. (More Money lost) hire an atty (cha-ching!) Attend a minimum of 3court hearings (big cha -ching!!) Then theres the SR-22 $$$$, Higher ins fees$$$$, classes$$$$, fines$$$$ plus a 4 month suspension and find alternate transportation in the end ur,in for 10k-15k,i would bet "boy in blue" doesnt have all that! Disciplined? I dont think so


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Posted by Rose M
a resident of Mayfield
on Oct 8, 2018 at 5:32 pm

Rose M is a registered user.

He should have been fired. Our police should be above reproach. I can't believe he got 5 months of paid leave. That's disgusting.


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Posted by In Response to the Whiners
a resident of another community
on Oct 8, 2018 at 5:38 pm

> Law enforcement has what they call 'professional courtesies'. This is a waiver for things like speeding & suspected DUIs.
>> Would an average citizen get the same breaks?

Why should they? Most don't deserve them.



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Posted by R. Davis
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 8, 2018 at 6:00 pm

^^^^ reminds me of that old McDonald's jingle. "You deserve a break today...at McDonald's."

This incident is more along the lines of, "You deserve a break today...at Internal Affairs."


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Posted by Rose Gooch
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 8, 2018 at 8:09 pm

If the officer was "walking in an unsteady manner", he was probably toasted and didn't want to stop and be reported for both hitting his neighbor's car and drinking and driving. That's probably why he ran, but it doesn't excuse his behavior. Always happy when there is a witness. Sticking to his lie was evidence of a moral compass pointing south. He doesn't belong with our finest men in blue.


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Posted by Citizen with compasion
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 8, 2018 at 9:26 pm

What surprises me is that absolutely none of you has even considered what the personal issue was that caused the police officer to be a little tipsy and damage his neighbor's car. He is a police officer, but he is also human. Please do not be so filled with vitriole and judgement. Have you never done anything you are ashamed of? Please show some compassion.


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Posted by General Custer
a resident of Menlo Park
on Oct 8, 2018 at 10:15 pm

Another example of Cop protecting Cop. Robert Jonsen (ex Menlo Park Chief) is now Chief of Palo Alto Police.. Does this surprise anyone? Palo Alto residents, you deserve to know who this dishonest cop is. (The Menlo Park one noted below is still on the job and can be seen many nights at 7-11 on Alma having dinner). $200k per year with benefits .. to Serve and Protect ! Laughable !

Web Link

PS. MPPD, same department who conveniently left turned off or failed to provide a working camera for this incident ..

Web Link


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Posted by Rose Gooch
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 9, 2018 at 5:44 am

To "Compassion"
Thank you for your compassion and understanding. It is so easy to judge from the sidelines. We don't know the whole story. The walking away could have been caused by a medical disorder. I apologize for being so quick to judge another human being.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 9, 2018 at 7:44 am

"What surprises me is that absolutely none of you has even considered what the personal issue was that caused the police officer to be a little tipsy"

I'll try that defense when I get pulled over drunk. Think it will work?

Also: does having a bad day at the donut shop excuse the LYING to investigators?

- - -

@In Response to the Whiners
>> 'professional courtesies'. This is a waiver for things like speeding & suspected DUIs.
>> Would an average citizen get the same breaks?
>> Why should they? Most don't deserve them.

Cops should be allowed to drive DRUNK?!? And get away with it as a 'professional courtesy' ?!?!

Are these people serious????


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Posted by Compassion = Naivete
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 9, 2018 at 8:11 am

> What surprises me is that absolutely none of you has even considered what the personal issue was that caused the police officer to be a little tipsy and damage his neighbor's car. He is a police officer, but he is also human.

Let's not play the sympathy card. The guy is a cop [Portion removed.]


>> We don't know the whole story. The walking away could have been caused by a medical disorder.

Then he should have taken a medical or personal leave prior to this incident.


>>> Police in USA are convinced they are above the law.

Sometimes the only difference between an outlaw and a sheriff is that one carries a badge. Remember Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid?


>>>> Law enforcement has what they call 'professional courtesies'. This is a waiver for things like speeding & suspected DUIs.

More along the lines of eliminating bad department PR and an appearance in public before the courts. Also known as a cover-up.


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Posted by Frank
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2018 at 8:35 am

I think we should all temper our outrage here, or at least limit it to the person who acted badly.

I agree that, based on the available information, the involved cop was driving drunk but they couldn't prove it (criminally, at least). I also agree that the involved cop either lied about hitting the car, or was so drunk he/she didn't realize it - either way, it's a significant problem. My personal opinion is that the cop should have lost his/her job, but I'm not sure that was an option without knowing more. It's not as easy to fire someone as you'd think, even in the private sector, much less government.

But, with all that said, let's not take out our frustrations with the behavior of one cop on the entire force. Do your co-workers sometimes behave badly? Would it be fair if you were judged by the behavior of your co-worker when he wasn't even at work? I definitely would not want to have my professional reputation based on my co-worker's weekend screw up.

My point is that it's totally reasonable to be upset with the offending person, and maybe even at the boss who we feel let him or her off too easily. But let's not condemn a whole department or profession based on this guy or lady's bad behavior.

To answer someone's question above ("would you go to a doctor that was a liar?"), I would probably stop seeing THAT doctor, but I wouldn't stop going to every doctor at Stanford Hospital and brand all doctors liars because 1 doctor was caught lying. And, before someone rightfully points it out, I don't think the doctor-cop comparison is even a very good one, as I think truthfulness and integrity need to be beyond reproach for a cop, whereas a doctor who cheats on his taxes can probably still be a fine doctor. But the point still stands: let's not judge an entire profession by the actions of one.

Maybe my approach is too middle of the road for the folks on this forum that seem to only like to be at the extremes. But that's the society we live in, I guess.






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Posted by R. Davis
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 9, 2018 at 9:45 am

Curious as to whether the other PA cops are ticked-off with this guy for creating a now public accounting or endorsing the seemingly lax department action.

Suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask the next time you are pulled-over or encounter one at the coffee shop.


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Posted by Robspierre
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2018 at 11:55 am

@Frank : "To answer someone's question above ("would you go to a doctor that was a liar?"), I would probably stop seeing THAT doctor, but I wouldn't stop going to every doctor at Stanford Hospital and brand all doctors liars because 1 doctor was caught lying."

If THAT (sic) doctor hurt someone and Stanford Hospital protected that doctor and covered it up so no charges were filed, then YES, I would brand all Stanford Hospital Doctors as potential threats and their ethics and records suspect because they wre not internally consistent with the ethic society expects of them.


Your analogy is flawed anyway...

The police are supposed to deal in truth, facts, and objectively enforcing the law. Their role includes charging of civilians with pergury, testifying falsely, hit and run, and general failure to comply with the law. This cop broke several laws and lied about it and the department (several officers involved) covered it up and let him off. The PAPD are hypocrytes and are not fit to enforce the law on civilians since they have demonstrated that they believe oit does not apply to them and they are arbitrary and biased.

No respect for the PAPD




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Posted by The Badge
a resident of another community
on Oct 9, 2018 at 2:11 pm

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Posted by Anon
a resident of Green Acres
on Oct 9, 2018 at 2:38 pm

@The Badge : "The next time you call 911, it might be noteworthy to remember just who shows up on your behalf. Not your best friend, the dog or any of your useless relatives."

Actually, The one time I needed help from the PAPD, my friends, relatives and dog were already arriving way before the PAPD. The PAPD said there was little they could do (about our home being robbed) and dismissed all of our suggestions about who we thought were the best people for their "detectives" to interview (like the construction crew of ten working on the house next door that could see us come and go every day.)

My friends and relatives helped us clean up the mess (the police did not), and our dog sat by our side that evening and provided comfort. We never heard from the police after their initial "visit". I guess they were too busy to follow up.


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Posted by flawed
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 9, 2018 at 4:00 pm

speaking of flawed analogies... police do not enforce perjury, nor testifying falsely. Several members covered it up? By investigating the cop, finding him at fault (more than the outside cops did) and then punishing him? Albeit in a manner that the auditor didn't necessarily approve of, but seems that's the opposite of a cover up. I disagree with letting have his job or the punishment, but that's a far cry from a cover up.

To even throw out societal expectations of ethics??? Oh that's a ripe argument these days. And do a google search, you better not trust any doctors anymore.

And you better start labeling all doctors bad..


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Posted by Been There
a resident of Southgate
on Oct 9, 2018 at 6:41 pm

> The PAPD said there was little they could do (about our home being robbed) and dismissed all of our suggestions about who we thought were the best people for their "detectives" to interview...We never heard from the police after their initial "visit". I guess they were too busy to follow up.

(1) You made the mistake of telling them how to do their job. That's a no-no. Civilian input is generally taken with a grain of salt as the police have their own specialized techniques to solving crime. Refer to #2.

(2) Once a burglary report is written and submitted to the appropriate supervisor...done deal. The next step is for you to follow up with your insurance company and/or consider an alarm system. There are no Kojaks or Dick Tracys on the PAPD.





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Posted by Kenny
a resident of University South
on Oct 9, 2018 at 7:38 pm

"Given that the officer's conduct was dishonorable, and we don't know who he is, how are we supposed to respect any Palo Alto officer we may encounter?"

That's an easy one: Because you don't have any choice. If you pull attitude nonsense with a cop, things will go badly for you. Even if you are another cop.


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Posted by Frank
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2018 at 8:11 pm

@Robspierre - despite your intellectual pseudonym, you managed to miss the fact that I readily conceded that the cop-doctor analogy is clumsy - read my post. I merely used it because someone else had.

This cop screwed up and appears to have lied about it. I agree he probably should have been fired. But there is no evidence of a coverup. The department investigated, punished him (how... neither of us knows), and provided it’s report to the civilian auditor for oversight and publication to the media. Boy, that’s some cover-up.

Let’s not make this something it’s not. This cop messed up. We probably agree that the department boss(es) let him off too easy. But the other 90 cops at the department did neither of those things.

Feel free to disagree but it only serves to prove my point: a lot of people seem unwilling to take anything but an extreme position.


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Posted by Mardiculous
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 9, 2018 at 9:03 pm

He repeatedly told lies.

Fire him. No other answer.


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Posted by rsmithjr
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 9, 2018 at 10:02 pm

rsmithjr is a registered user.

I don't see how we can continue to trust this person to perform a very important job. If the circumstances are as described, he should be terminated.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2018 at 11:07 pm

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a resident of Midtown
on Oct 10, 2018 at 8:02 am

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a resident of Southgate
on Oct 10, 2018 at 9:35 am

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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 10, 2018 at 10:29 am

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Posted by Anneke
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 10, 2018 at 10:46 am

From: Web Link


Officers who lie and engage in other unethical behaviors endanger themselves and their agencies, exposing themselves and others to criminal and civil liability, as well as community ridicule and outrage.

Police attorneys and police managers alike must continue to educate from within concerning the legal and practical consequences of failing to aggressively address officers with integrity issues.

Proper agency response to officer misconduct is imperative if the public's trust in law enforcement in America is to be restored.


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Posted by Robspierre
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 10, 2018 at 2:01 pm

@Frank:”Feel free to disagree but it only serves to prove my point”

Yes, Frank, Your “Point” has been proven, just like Kavanaugh has been proven innocent. Seems like the current administration and its supporters think that simply declaring victory makes it so. Calling people who disagree with you “extreme” is hyperbole, and just demonstrates the weakness of your argument.


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Posted by No Doughnut For U
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 10, 2018 at 2:06 pm

The big problem here was that the officer lied. Can this officer still be trusted? At the very least, he should have his license suspended and enter a rehab program.


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Posted by View From Above the Outrage
a resident of another community
on Oct 10, 2018 at 2:30 pm

Simply put, the guy should have left a note but he didn't.

How many people here have accidentally brushed-up against a car in the parking lot without leaving a note? Probably more than who care to admit.

I would imagine that in certain instances, some might have even have had a drink or two themselves.

The guy just happened to be a cop so he is being held to higher scrutiny. At most other places of employment, you don't get fired for a hit and run violation.

Not saying that what he did was right but why is everyone here feeling so aghast and holier than thou?

This is all so trivial within the greater realm of things. Fortunately, no one was hurt and cars can be fixed.

Get over it people. And in terms of trust, try to keep in mind that many in law enforcement don't trust you either.






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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 10, 2018 at 2:46 pm

"Simply put, the guy should have left a note but he didn't."

Simply put, you didn't read the article, did you?

He lied to investigators - repeatedly. Or in your words, simply put - repeatedly


"keep in mind that many in law enforcement don't trust you either"

Fair enough - do we ask them to give us a badge, a gun and a gold plated retirement? No. Our deal with them is simple - be honest, work hard. Do not lie.


You may now go back to your, simply put, fried dough confection.


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on Oct 10, 2018 at 5:07 pm


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Posted by ^^^^^^^^
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 11, 2018 at 10:44 am

so confused on what it's all about


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Posted by Some People Don't Leave Notes
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 11, 2018 at 2:55 pm

No reportage in regards to the actual damage done to the other car.

Major or minor repair work involved?

Accidents will happen and some people are reluctant to leave a note fearing that their auto insurance rates will go up.


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Posted by Liars
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 11, 2018 at 3:44 pm

"Major or minor repair work involved?"

Whaaaa?!? A cop LIED to investigators. Why on earth does damage matter?

Liar gets fired.


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Posted by Shane
a resident of another community
on Oct 11, 2018 at 7:48 pm

> That called LYING where I was raised.

Depends on the plausibility factors involved. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by KP
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 11, 2018 at 11:36 pm

He lied.

Game over.


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