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Dog Poop Disposal

Original post made by PA Resident/Neighbor, Crescent Park, on Jul 11, 2016

To whoever put their dog poop in my trash bin that was out on the curb of the 500 block of Fulton today (Mon July 11) since it was trash day, please do the kind and right thing and come by and pick it up and dispose of it in your own receptacle. Thank you very much.

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Posted by Dennis the Menace
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 11, 2016 at 8:14 pm

[Portion removed.]. Lighten up, they probably thought that they were doing the right thing. Would you rather have someone step in it? That person can put dog poop in our trash receptacle any time they want. In the grand scheme of things, this is small potatoes!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2016 at 8:55 pm

I heard of a dispute between neighbors as to who a certain trash can belonged to as one was much cleaner than the other. Not sure of the outcome, but according to utilities, they cans belong to them not us. It seems that since we don't own them, we can put our trash in any black can on the curb.


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Posted by People Behaving Badly
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 11, 2016 at 10:43 pm

Dennis, no one said it is a big deal. Just another example of People Behaving Badly (as on Channel 4).
They drop their poop in my compost bin. I guess they think the community should pick up their dog s--t.
I'm beginning to dislike dog owners for their sense of entitlement.


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Posted by Plane Speaker
a resident of another community
on Jul 11, 2016 at 11:18 pm

I strongly agree with PA Resident/Neighbor, putting dog poop in someone
else's can is being an irresponsible dog owner and there are plenty of
them in Palo Alto. Dennis the Menace probably says what he says because
he stink bombs his neighbors' cans.

When you go to put your trash into the garbage can it's pretty bad to open
the container up and get a blast of concentrated dog poop smell that has
been cooking in a black garbage can in the sun closed in a small volume
for days.

The trash cans are given to individuals, it doesn't mean anyone can take
anyone else's. People pay for their garbage service, and it's obvious that
if you put your trash in someone else's can you are stealing their money,
but also leaving them a stinkbomb. It is irresponsible vile behavior.


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Posted by Dennis the Menace
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 12, 2016 at 8:56 am

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Posted by OPA Res
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:06 am

I finally moved my trash can into the garage because someone was using it, day in and day out, to deposit their bag of dog poop. Their sense of entitlement was astonishing to me. Moving the can solved the problem for me, but I'll guess they now put it in someone else's trash.


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:09 am

I'm guessing the poop was in a plastic bag ? Hard to imagine putting it in your can otherwise.

Then your concern apparently is that someone put a plastic bag containing dog poop into your black can along with the rotting trash you threw out. [Portion removed.] Maybe some rotting food on containers and towels too dirty for the recycle ? If so, I don't se the problem. Sounds more like you just don't like other people touching your things.


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Posted by Southwest Detroit Player
a resident of Ventura
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:54 am

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Posted by parent
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jul 12, 2016 at 11:18 am

Irresponsible self-entitled dog owners are why so many families in town are vocally opposed to off-leash dogs near children's playgrounds.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 12, 2016 at 12:35 pm

"finally moved my trash can into the garage because someone was using it, day in and day out, to deposit their bag of dog poop. Their sense of entitlement was astonishing to me."

I bet your neighbors are very glad you don't leave your trash can out in front all week anymore. Leaving the bins at the curb after trash pickup is tacky.

While it's out there, it's a piece of public property resting on public property, so don't get all worked up when a member of the public uses it for its intended purpose.


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 12, 2016 at 12:53 pm

@Curmudgeon
Sometimes I think you just say stuff just to rattle the beehive. regardless of whether you actually believe it or not.


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 12, 2016 at 1:02 pm

Perhaps rather than being concerned about what other people are putting in your trash can, we should be discussing what you are putting in your own can that will go into my landfill and environment, or what you are putting down your wastewater systems that end up in my water treatment facilities and water system. Similarly we could discuss why I have to pay property taxes and assessments directed to the PA school system to pay for your children (I have none). In exchange for paying for your children to attend school, I demand my fair share of your garbage can. I hope you will do the right thing


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2016 at 1:36 pm

PS on the subject of offleash dogs in children's play areas. I would rather see a fence around the children's play area to keep them protected and from running off if a parent gets distracted (as playgrounds have to by law in other countries). That would keep unleashed dogs out of the play area too!


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 12, 2016 at 2:07 pm

On the subject of off-leash dogs, what about all these free roaming cats we're seeing lately ?
I'm really getting tired of finding cat poop in my flower beds. Especially when I don't even have a cat. I've a good mind to bag it up and put it into my neighbors trash can (they do have a cat), but they' probably tell me to take it back out of their can because I can't prove it was their cats poop. Foiled again!


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Posted by I Do That
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 12, 2016 at 3:03 pm


I actually walk several dogs for friends when on vacation. And when the dog poops, I pick it up with a plastic bag and put it in the nearest trash can. And I don't see a problem with that.


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Posted by OPA Res
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 12, 2016 at 5:35 pm

@Curmudgeon
"I bet your neighbors are very glad you don't leave your trash can out in front all week anymore. Leaving the bins at the curb after trash pickup is tacky."

For the record, my trash can was tucked away down my side yard away from the street. Whoever was making their daily deposit of dog feces had to walk into my side yard to take care of business.


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 12, 2016 at 5:42 pm

Maybe it was the Mayor
Web Link


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 12, 2016 at 6:28 pm

"@Curmudgeon
Sometimes I think you just say stuff just to rattle the beehive. regardless of whether you actually believe it or not."

I believe it all. Some people may not like all of it, but that it their right.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 12, 2016 at 6:49 pm

such are the trifles of the average Palo Altan


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Posted by PoliceCommentPlease
a resident of Community Center
on Jul 12, 2016 at 8:45 pm

I'd like a comment from a police or a police representative that if
I take a photo or video or someone dropping their dog poop into
my trash container is it against the law?

It is littering at the least since they are putting their trash on or
in someone else's property. They are costing me money since
I pay for a certain amount of trash volume and they are taking
some part of that.

If dog owners do not like carrying around their dog poop, then
do not go walking your dog farther away from your house than
you are willing to carry it. if you care to look, all over the Baylands
and no in various places around town are blue bagged surprises
that people are just leaving all over the place. I noticed some
at Rinconada Park and the Community Center.

It is also stealing the labor or City Workers to make them pick
up your trash.

I think if the police chief or someone will make a statement on
this it might help. It may seem like a small thing, but some of
us are careful to put garbage in plastic bags and keep the
inside our our trash containers relatively clean. When dog
poop goes in and stay inside enclosed in a hot plastic space
it really stinks when you open it to dump your trash in. It is
a vile and despicable thing to do and something I would be
willing to wait around or leave a video camera running to
catch the person who does this.


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Posted by I Do That
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 12, 2016 at 8:51 pm

I just don't think many police are going to take this seriously. Really! You're talking about someone who puts trash inside a trash can. What a horrible thing for someone to do (not). Get over it. Like you said. It's a small thing. If that's true then you won't be making videos.


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Posted by AgreeWithBlue
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:02 pm

M. Blue ... you are right from my readings, like the song by Denis Leary.

-- While it's out there, it's a piece of public property resting on public
-- property, so don't get all worked up when a member of the public
-- uses it for its intended purpose.

A garbage can is not public property any more than a rented
car is, it is rented out to individuals and the volume inside is a
product that we all pay for.

But since you seem to think it's OK maybe people should start
drooping poop bags on your median strip or your car. Heaven
forbid you should leave your window open and expose more
public property. Certainly not its intended purpose and
certainly not any legal rationale for saying that, just being a
Curmudgeon, def, - a bad tempered or surly person

Though sometimes to the point, and sometimes even amusing
cur's generally nasty comments are true to the name which
he actively chooses to live up to just to snark at everyone and
make these articles a worse place.


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Posted by Dennis the Menace
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:08 pm

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Posted by New Palo Altans
a resident of another community
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:13 pm

"Irresponsible self-entitled dog owners are why so many families in town are vocally opposed to off-leash dogs near children's playgrounds."


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Posted by Troll
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:41 pm

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Posted by People Behaving Badly
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 13, 2016 at 12:26 am

@I do that doesn't believe there is a problem. Perhaps you didn't read the messages here from people who say it is a problem. And you, and others like you, are causing it. Not a big earth-shaking problem, just something decent people don't expect from their neighbors.

You also don't seem to know the difference between trash and excrement. Most of us have trash bins for trash and toilets for excrement. If this is news to you, I'm glad to have the opportunity to let you know. We are usually taught about this distinction around age 2 but it's never too late to learn.


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Posted by M..Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:28 am

@Badly : "Most of us have trash bins for trash and toilets for excrement. If this is news to you, I'm glad to have the opportunity to let you know. We are usually taught about this distinction around age 2"

Did anyone ever teach you (or did you ever think to ask) where the excrement you put in a toilet goes after you push the handle ? ..... It doesn't just disappear you know. it gets churned up and aerated in big ponds in Alviso and the effluent bakes in the hot sun till it brakes down "enough" to be released into the Bay.

Thanks very much for polluting my air and water supply.

BTW, what else did they teach you to flush into my water supply ?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2016 at 8:14 am

This is getting silly. Of course the black trash cans contain excrement and other waste. People put diapers (baby and adult), tampons, cat litter, condoms etc. in black cans all the time. They also put smelly cigarette butts and empty ashtrays into the trash.

Trash cans get all sorts of smelly waste put in them. Fact of life. As a result, we can never get to zero waste.

Neighbors put trashcans out side by side. When one neighbor takes the wrong can back in and take the cleaner one, officialdom don't care because they are on loan to us. If one neighbor keeps their can clean by regularly cleaning it with disinfectant cleanser and they want their clean one back, it doesn't matter because they don't belong to us. Unless we can get Utilities to lock and weigh our cans and charge us by weight or by lift, they don't care about who puts what where.


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Posted by M.Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 8:23 am

@ Resident

Hear, Hear !!

Careful though, when I posted some of what you said earlier in this thread, it was censored but the thought police.


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Posted by WilliamR
a resident of another community
on Jul 13, 2016 at 8:33 am

WilliamR is a registered user.

Are people seriously suggesting that dog walkers take their poop bags home and empty them down their toilets? When I clean out my cat's litter box, should that poop go in the toilet, too? (I would still bag up the used cat litter and put that in the trash.)


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Posted by M.Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 9:10 am

"PA parasite in cat waste (Toxoplasma gondii) has been linked to serious health issues in wildlife. In California, the decline of sea otters as well as infected shellfish and crabs have been linked to flushing cat waste into the coastal sewer systems. Sewer systems do not typically treat for this parasite so it is discharged into the rivers and bays. When buried it reportedly can also infect rodents, birds, or other small animals. Without further research it appears that the trash is the best place for cat waste."

from Web Link Thanks to @Poopy


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Posted by Dog owner
a resident of Mountain View
on Jul 13, 2016 at 10:09 am

Have to say I'm kind of surprised at the responses. I'm a dog owner, have had dogs for years, currently have two. I walk them every morning and night. I have never put their poop bags in someone else's trash can, I always take it home and out it in my own can. It's no big deal to carry and it's pretty damn presumptuous and rude to put your dogs poop in someone else's can.

That said, I could perhaps understand if it's a can that's out for pickup that day and has not yet been emptied. But even then, I personally wouldn't do it, I find it rude.


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Posted by I Do That
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:24 am


Sorry @People Behaving Badly. Seems most people don't put dog poop in toilets. So I guess you were taught wrong at age 2. But don't worry, it's never too late to learn.


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Posted by Rudeness Doesn't Care
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:29 am

Dog owner, I agree, yeah, it is totally rude. I know most dog owners do not do that, and I know some dog owners do worse from walking through local parks and seeing blue dog poop bags sitting around under benches, and there's lots of them in the Baylands too.

I got curious about this and had a talk with the police, Greenwaste and the City of Palo Alto.

It is not true that a can out in the street or on public property is yours to dump stuff in. It is illegal to dump your waste of any type in someone else's trash can, not only rude and inconsiderate.

The only problem is enforcement. It is a piddly little thing that no one should have to deal with, so the people with no integrity or moral fiber try to take advantage of that. It's bothersome to enforce, so a bunch of people like the above who walks people's dogs for money and others who want to intimidate people into doing nothing ( more rudeness ) post here and post lies about how it's fine and legal to do, and try dissuade people into taking action or feeling bad for disliking it. These are the kinds of people who make poor friends and neighbors.

If I catch someone doing that I will take a photo or video of them and if I don't know them maybe follow them home so I can ID them, then put the video in You-Tube and posting the link here letting the world know. So ... you rude dog owners beware, unless you want to be ID'ed and famous for this practice and speak to the police about it. Is it really worth it? Maybe dog ownership is not really for you either? If you are this rude to your human neighbors, are you really so wonderful to your dog?


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Posted by I Do That
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:32 am

Waste your time video taping if you want. I'm not too worried.


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Posted by Thom
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:44 am

This is stupid. Complaining about someone doing the right thing, really? Palo Altans....


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Posted by Rudeness Doesn't Care
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:45 am

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2016 at 12:00 pm

I am not a dog owner, but I have walked dogs and probably would put poop in a public trash can at say a park or take it home, not sure why.

But let's look at this from another angle. We are talking about dog poop, but what about say a cigarette butt, or a candy wrapper, or used tissues. Is it better for someone to put one of these items in a trash can or just let it litter the place? Personally, if my can is out on the street for the few hours each week before or after pick up day and someone used it for their litter, I would be pleased that it has gone into a trash can and not into my bushes. I would not be very happy if someone came up my driveway and put it in my can, but I have discovered empty Starbucks cups in my trash can that did not come from my family, so it is obvious to me that people do put litter in other people's trash cans even when they are beside the house and not on the street.

I don't consider this a big issue and would much prefer it in my trash can than on the street for me to step in or have to clear out of my bushes, whether it is dog poop, starbucks cup, or any other type of litter.


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Posted by Another dog owner
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 13, 2016 at 12:08 pm

I agree with @ Dog owner and from what I observe most dog owners do not place their poop bags in neighbors' trash bins. There are plenty of public waste bins around town to deposit your bags. I assume most dog owners know what a horrible stench a poop bag leaves after a few days in an enclosed trash bin. I will walk an extra block or two to a public bin to avoid placing them in my own bin unless trash day is around the corner.


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Posted by M.Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 12:32 pm

@Rueness : "I got curious about this and had a talk with the police, Greenwaste and the City of Palo Alto."

Nonsense and fabrication. The contents of a trash can and the can itself that you leave at the curb are not your property or subject to any protections as personal property.

United States Supreme Court
CALIFORNIA v. GREENWOOD, (1988)
No. 86-684
Argued: January 11, 1988 Decided: May 16, 1988

Held:
1. The Fourth Amendment does not prohibit the warrantless search and seizure of garbage left for collection outside the curtilage of a home. Pp. 39-44.

(a) Since respondents voluntarily left their trash for collection in an area particularly suited for public inspection, their claimed expectation of privacy in the inculpatory items they discarded was not objectively reasonable. It is common knowledge that plastic garbage bags left along a public street are readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public. Moreover, respondents placed their refuse at the curb for the express purpose of conveying it to a third party, the trash collector, who might himself have sorted through it or permitted others, such as the police, to do so. The police cannot reasonably be expected to avert their eyes from evidence of criminal activity that could have been observed by any member of the public. Pp. 39-43.

Web Link


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Posted by anoymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 13, 2016 at 12:36 pm

As I was going out to add trash to my bins which I had placed curbside last week, I caught an older woman dumping her dog sh*t into my bin. I asked her not to do it and her arrogant response was along the lines of... "WHY NOT?" - tomorrow is trash pickup (as if that were some justification).

She then left it there and strode off.

I was truly shocked at this rudeness.

Well, here's why not:

1)it's my bin and I pay for a certain size. I do not use others' bins.
2)I was adding stuff to my bin at the moment, so her notion that there was a bit of space in it space is irrelevant
3)why should I have to have the smell of dog sh*t in MY bin - I don't own a dog.
4)at a minimum, ASK the homeowner if they are OK with it.

UPSHOT: be a good citizen, clean up after your dog (preferably have them go on YOUR yard rather than My front yard) AND dispose of your filthy dog sh*t in your OWN bin.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 2:35 pm

What if my dog had diarrhea and dribbled trail of it down the sidewalk. I would get out of there quickly and hope no one was looking.

For someone to go on paloaltoonline.com and turn this into some big topic worthy of discussion... and the fact there's 40 replies and counting makes me wonder.

Honestly, I don't really care what all these perfect sterile angelic moral preeners think. You complain just to complain. Find something important to focus on!!!

We should let our dogs go on their front yards just


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 2:41 pm

Yeah, I have had people come up onto my driveway and put their little dog poop bags into my personal can that I use to store garden compost/soil near my house. I was thinking about putting a note on the cover to the effect that "Your dog's poop is your problem, put it here and you'll be eatin it if I catch you".


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Posted by MaxJohnny
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 3:12 pm

MaxJohnny is a registered user.

I think you should be saying "thank you" rather than "don't put put in my trash bin." Its much worse to leave the poop on the sidewalk. Sometimes dog owners are out for long walks and its definitely a more pleasant experience if you don't have to carry the stuff around with you. That being said if there are no trash cans, I will carry it with me. I mean...as long as its bagged, and it is trash day so the can is out on the street...does it really matter? Trash never really smells good regardless of what is in it.


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Posted by seriously?
a resident of South of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 3:22 pm

Is this really a problem? Trashcans stink. Poo stinks. seems like a match.
Of course we could let the doggies poop on the sidewalks the way they do in paris and then have motorcycle poop patrols to ride around and pick it up. We are all rich, let's have a parcel tax to pay for that.
I must admit it seems far more practical to just put it in someone's trashcan.
get over it and worry about the big things in life.

I tried for years to get my dog to poop in the toilet but it never worked. she couldn't open the lid and kept sliding off....


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 13, 2016 at 4:30 pm

"Whoever was making their daily deposit of dog feces had to walk into my side yard to take care of business."

Thanks for the clarification. That is total trespassing.


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Posted by mauricio
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 13, 2016 at 4:48 pm

mauricio is a registered user.

I was never bothered by dog owners dropping a sealed plastic bag with dog poop in it in my trash can. They could have easily not picked up the poop at all, or left the bag in my driveway or the front yard. These are the kind of letters we would never have read 30-35 years ago. Now, everybody's ego here is so inflated and people are so eager to reprimand others in our fair town. I am a responsible dog owner who is practically almost in control of his dog, but each time I go to the dog park, there is at least one dog owners who will walk up to me, or to another dog owner and tell us how badly our dog behaves and how better they would have handled their dog. Palo Alto has truly become intolerable.


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Posted by sheri
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 4:55 pm

sheri is a registered user.

At least put the poop in the black can so I don't have to crawl into the blue recycling bin to haul it out and move it.


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Posted by Resident 2
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 5:15 pm

"Irresponsible self-entitled dog owners are why so many families in town are vocally opposed to off-leash dogs near children's playgrounds."

I think we need a leash law for some of those kids. You ever seen them ride a bicycle? No recognition of stop signs, not staying in their designated bike lane, three abreast .... Talk about being irresponsible and self-entitled. Some of their bike riding parents need a leash law too.


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Posted by maggie
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Jul 13, 2016 at 5:49 pm

maggie is a registered user.

To open someone else's trash can and drop your dog's plastic bag of poop inside is incredibly rude. The smell is disgusting and after a few days absolutely nauseating. It is not only inconsiderate, it is arrogant.

To those of you who think you are entitled to treat your neighbors this way, please contain the poop in at least three plastic bags as that helps with the smell somewhat.

I am absolutely amazed at the number of people who think it is okay for kids to be exposed dog poop. Not only to tread in but when playing in the grass at the park. As a dog owner and parent, I dispose of any dog poop I come across and give the dog's owner the benefit of the doubt in case they simply hadn't noticed. And my friends do too,


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Posted by maggie
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Jul 13, 2016 at 5:52 pm

maggie is a registered user.

PS. I don't consider this a big deal, just extremely rude. And saying using my trash can is better than leaving your dog's poop on the sidewalk is no excuse.


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Posted by government failure
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2016 at 5:55 pm

@Curmudgeon has it exactly right!
If a resident leaves their garbage can out front
all the time, if that is the case here, then they have no basis for criticizing anybody about what they put in that can. This is another reason why
the City needs an ordinance requiring the storing
of cans out of view, back from the street and sidewalk. Other cities have such ordinances. This is just another example of the failure of our city government here as this city just continues on its steep downward slide. Where is our City Council?


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 5:59 pm

"please contain the poop in at least three plastic bags"

Web Link


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:10 pm

Found it!... Starts at 3:15. Bagging scrap tutorial:

Web Link


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Posted by government failure
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:11 pm

I see now the resident in this case says it was
trash day when this happened. But the bigger issue
remains about there being no ordinance in Palo Alto
requiring the storage of garbage cans.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:18 pm

Of course the garbage bin is rented to the individual who is responsible for the contents. I don't want your dog feces in my trash bin. I don't want you throwing anything in my trash bin. i don't want you going through my trash looking for anything that might be of interest to you. I don't want you casually dumping your illegal hazard materials in my dumpster either. There is a real sense of entitlement in these tony enclaves like Palo Alto. Inconsiderate people. We don't like you or your canine. Schedule you animals elimination cycle in your yard.


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Posted by Shallow alto at its finest
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:26 pm

And people wonder why no one takes palo alto seriously when they comp,an about airplane and train noise and traffic!!! Because we all know that palo alto will make a mountain out of every insignificant molehill. For those of you so upset, please contact the council and have them deal with tnis. I am sure the police would love to stop and question everyone they see putting trash into a garbage can on a residential street.


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:33 pm

@Bob: " i don't want you going through my trash looking for anything that might be of interest to you."
....see
United States Supreme Court
CALIFORNIA v. GREENWOOD, (1988)
No. 86-684
Argued: January 11, 1988 Decided: May 16, 1988

Apparently there is a real sense of entitlement in these tony enclaves like Midtown.


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Posted by Resident 2
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 6:43 pm

@ Bob

"We don't like you or your canine."

Bob, the feeling is mutual.



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Posted by Ed
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 13, 2016 at 8:10 pm

As far as I'm concerned, it's your dog, it's your s**t to carry around until you get home. Don't like it? Don't have a dog. Feel free to have your garbage cans stink of poached s**t, after all, it's your best buddies crap, you should be happy to smell it 24/7. No sympathy for dog owners who like to leave crap with their neighbors, none.


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Posted by Resident 2
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2016 at 9:22 pm

@ Ed

Tell us how you really feel. I think Dennis the Menace needs to ring your doorbell!


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of another community
on Jul 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm

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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 13, 2016 at 10:11 pm

I think this brouhaha is one of the funniest topics ever to appear in Town Square.

People sure have had very short fuses lately.

One woman at the dog park today was describing an expletive-laden tirade she got from another woman when they both had young kids in their cars.


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Posted by dog owner
a resident of Mountain View
on Jul 13, 2016 at 10:43 pm

wow, I am continually amazed at the comments here. Frankly the lack of consideration and respect are shocking.

I own two dogs. I walk them daily so as not to have copious amounts of dog poop in my yard. I pick up said poop, and dispose of it in an area NOBODY ELSE NEEDS TO DEAL WITH IT.

I would NEVER put it in someone else's bin. It stinks. Who are you people who expect someone to be glad a stranger put dog poop in your trash bin??????


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Posted by Interested Observer
a resident of Professorville
on Jul 14, 2016 at 12:55 am

It is odd that in some of these issues like noise, dog poop, basic politeness,
pollution and quality of life issues that so many people who think this is
not important and call it nothing show up here with the most acerbic and
vitriolic, the most nasty, insulting, while at the same time claiming the issues
are not important. If they really though that why do to they give so much
time and thought to their sniping and trolling.

Multiples of comments show up and up-vote the guy who says he is going
to seek out and specially drop poop in people's trash just to insult them,
and his posts are allowed to continue. One must imply that the Palo Alto
Online itself supports this kind of trolling or lawlessness.

If you removed all the posts like that you'd be left with mostly intelligent, polite
people talking about the rude behavior of what are probably the people who
commit all this rudeness, or the companies who feel they can impose pollution
on the population without limits. To good constructive comments represent
the best of Palo Alto and yet are almost always the ones that receive the most
censorship and deletions from the management?

There is a lot of though that goes into these negative comments too. Like claiming
that people who put their dog's poop bags in other people's trash are "doing the
right thing", or that they are better than those who do not pick it up at all.

If I was the editor and people made logical statements that insulted my readers'
intelligence like that I'd delete those kinds of posts knowing they were trolling,
but the Palo Alto Online seems to revel in and even support those kinds of
discussion killing comments.

People who complain about it are worry-warts with nothing better to do.
The Palo Alto Online is so gung-ho to the political right that they see just
the discussion of something like "regulating" dog owners as a threat to their
visions of a privatized laissez-faire economy and so much actively work against
the nice civilized version of Palo Alto and Western culture in general. Somehow
it is all connected in their editorial policies and over time they force these
online discussion to to express their own cowboy mentality.

Well, I've got news for you, I am a cowboy, and even we cowboys don't
like dog poop. We don't mind horse poop too much, but we do not like
the step in or smell dog poop.


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Posted by Dog Owner
a resident of University South
on Jul 14, 2016 at 3:40 am

I am surprised PA does not have an ordinance like MP:

Here's the Menlo Park Ordinance, but I couldn't find out anything about a fine for it:

9.12.030 Canine feces.

(a) No owner or possessor of any dog shall cause or permit it to defecate upon public property of the city unless the owner or the person having control or custody of the dog immediately removes the feces and properly disposes of it. No owner or possessor of any dog shall cause or permit it to defecate upon the private property of another person without the consent of the occupant or owner of that property.

(b) No person shall walk a dog upon public property or upon the private property of another without carrying, at all times, a suitable container or other suitable instrument for the removal and disposal of canine feces. Visually disabled persons who use Seeing-Eye dogs are exempt from this section. (Ord. 758 § 1 (part), 1987).


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Posted by Gus
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 14, 2016 at 7:48 am

I'll put dog poop in the nearest can. What are you going to do about it, huh? We can get down or you can call the cops. Deal with it son.


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Posted by Resident 2
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 14, 2016 at 7:54 am

@ Gus

Gus you better be careful of "Interested Observer", he sounds like a real tough cowboy, being from Silicon Valley and all!


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Posted by I Do That
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 14, 2016 at 8:42 am


So according to Menlo Park's 9.12.030 Canine feces law, I'm doing everything it asks when I'm walking my neighbor's dogs. I let it "defecate upon public property" BUT I "immediately remove the feces" and then I "properly dispose of it" in a suitable container in a black, already stinky, garbage bin provided by the City (not a blue recycle bin; that would be gross). I am also "carrying, at all times, a suitable container" for it's removal. Never leave home without them.

But I have to say, that I don't do this for bird feces, cat feces, raccoon feces, rat feces, deer feces, mountain lion feces (if they live long enough in PA to poop). I leave their feces on your property. Sorry.

Now that I think of it, are we the only mammal that puts our feces in a toilet (barring some cats)? Don't all other mammals and insects poop on the earth or in our oceans. Gravity you know.


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Posted by Get a lock!
a resident of another community
on Jul 14, 2016 at 9:33 am

All this is too funny to read.
Just be happy people clean after their dogs, and do not just toss the bagged "leftovers" on the sidewalk.

Makes me wonder how many times a day do you go and smell your trash cans? I surely have way more fun things to do during the day, or night.

How about pay attention for more important matters of life, trash bins are the least of my worries, then again I do not live in PA but close by to visit every now and then.

Local hardware stores sell padlocks, lock your trash cans.That solves this huge, earth shattering problem.


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Posted by How To Solve This Problem
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 9:51 am

"get a lock" .... you appear to be clueless and just want to ridicule
people for disliking dog poop on their property. Not very nice.

Clueless because we are talking about cans after trash pickup and
before they get collected by the owner. If you put a lock on it the
City cannot empty the cans. You don't know what you are talking
about, like most of the rude naysayers here trying to disparage folks
who just don't want other people's dog poop in their cans.

Why should we be "happy" that people are picking up after
their dogs ... that is what is legally required as well. Or do you mean
that the City itself is imposing on you dog owners to ask you to clean up
after yourselves? Do you believe that people should be able to allow
their dogs to poop all over the place, is that it?

The law say take care of your own dog poop, not leave it for the
City or give it to someone else.

BUT, if you don't mind it, put a note on your trash can asking people to
put their dog poop in it. I'd be happy if you did that, but of course you
won't, you just want to rag on people simply do not dog poop in
their trash cans.

I would ask all of you people who are saying you don't care to just
put a sign on your can saying "Dog Poop Deposit" ... that is the way
to be productive and solve the problem.

Yes, you guys saying it is no problem and you don't care about dog
poop, just write or tape a sign on your can and offer the community
the service of your personal trash can for doggy poop collection.


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Posted by the gods, they must be crazy
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 9:58 am

Wow! First you don't want people parking in front of your house. Now you don't want people picking up litter from the sidewalk and putting it in trash bins that are out on the sidewalk for pickup.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 14, 2016 at 9:58 am

71 commennts about dog poop.

This is why we need Trump.


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Posted by Get a lock!
a resident of another community
on Jul 14, 2016 at 10:15 am

"How To Solve This Problem"

Guess what?
I have trash cans out right now for the big truck to empty. I know people drop the blue bags in my trash can, do I care? No.

What I do care is that some rude people let their dog(s) poop onto the sidewalks, and then just walk away like they did not even notice what happened (sometimes this might be true since people seem to be glued to their cell phones).

And I do know the dog owner/walker is supposed to collect the leftovers, but seriously when do you think this will happen 100% ? Not even in Palo Alto.

Of letting the dogs poop all over the place and not caring, never said that, never will.

This was about dropping the waste bag into a trash can that sits by the street.

And the lock part, that would be for the days that are not your collection ones, you'd have the key, you'd control the can. :-)

Sorry but now I will have to step outside and move my trash cans, haul them behind the fence, give them a quick rinse, and leave them waiting for the next stinky trash until then they will be just fine alone.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 14, 2016 at 10:19 am

I asked before and nobody answered so I will ask again.

Is it just poop you don't want put in trashcans or any type of litter. I have never noticed dog poop in mine, but I frequently get Starbucks cups put in mine and I am not that close to the nearest Starbucks. I sure prefer the Starbucks cups in my trash can than dumped in my bushes.

Litter being put in a utilities owned container in my mind is the right thing to do. It isn't owned by me and my neighbor could easily happen to bring back "my can" and I could easily take in "his can". They don't belong to us and they are for trash we don't want. I rarely fill my black can as I have so little trash. I am very happy that litter is put in the can I use as long as people don't come up my driveway to the side of the house to do so.


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Posted by My dog's mom
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 10:23 am

If you object to dog walkers disposing of their bags in the garbage can that you have left by the curb, please put a note on your can to alert us to your concerns. If we see such a note, we will simply leave the poop where it is rather than letting it stink up your garbage. Heaven forfend your garbage not smell delightful!


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Posted by Annio
a resident of Mountain View
on Jul 14, 2016 at 10:32 am

Looks like the dog poop/trash can controversy has migrated from Menlo Park to Palo Alto. It prompted at least this much commentary on NextDoor. Chill people.


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Posted by How To Solve This Problem
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 10:57 am

If you do not mind dog poop in your trash ... just put a sign on it,
then then you can be nice public minded citizens ... nice to the
dog walkers and nice to the folks who do not want poop in their
cans and everything will be hunky-dory.

Just put a sign that says you are fine with dog poop in your
particular can and stop demanding that those of us who do not
want dog poop in our trash cans are unreasonable or have
something wrong with us.

I think after a few weeks with dog poop in your can you will be
taking that sign off, but I hope I am wrong, You dog poop lovers
sound like such caring concerned people! ;-)


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Posted by People behaving badly
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 14, 2016 at 12:50 pm

"People sure have had very short fuses lately."
Yes it's true. The increase in the population has made people more irritable (there is research on this) plus the current dog-craziness that seems out of control.

There are actually people who want to use some of our precious park space for dogs not people. They don't know about the shortage of parks.

Advocates for more density have nothing to say about the negative effects of so many people crowding a small town. Unfortunately many of them have lots of money and the self-importance that sometimes goes with it.

The problem of dog excrement is not earth shaking. No one says it is. I have had the same trash bins for many years and only recently have the dog nuts begun to use them. It's a new kind of bad neighbor and looking for legal documents is just silly. No reason to involve the police or any laws.
A little common sense and grownup behavior is all that's needed.


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Posted by Neighbor
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jul 14, 2016 at 1:04 pm

There is a difference between the nearest can located in a public area and the nearest trash can assigned to a particular owner. All bins have numbers on them that allow assignment to specific houses. If the can disappears, who do you think will be charged for it? That means the can "belongs" to those who assigned to use it.

It really comes down to being considerate. I was a long-time dog-owner and would never consider putting a bag of poop in someone else's can -- the smell is horrendous, especially if the dog owner doesn't secure the bag tightly. Placing it in a can at the park is another story. Being nice goes a long way, dog owners.

BTW, we put house numbers on our cans in bright white to make it easy to grab the right one and return it to the right place. This works well if cans are going to be lined up side-by-side.


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Posted by poop lover
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jul 14, 2016 at 1:50 pm

i think we should settle this with an old-fashioned POOP FIGHT!!! poOoOo00ooOOooO0oop!


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Posted by Judith Wasserman
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jul 14, 2016 at 2:58 pm

Judith Wasserman is a registered user.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the funniest thread of rants I have ever seen in Palo Alto Online! I have been laughing for the last 10 minutes it took me to read ALL THE WAY through it!


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Posted by Rick
a resident of another community
on Jul 14, 2016 at 2:59 pm

Being in the Doody Business "DoodyCalls" we have done a bit of home work on this subject. Different cities have tried a variety of means to address this issue. If bags are available they will be used and disposed of at the closest receptacle for the most part. Cities have put up bag stations in down town areas with no pet waste cans same issue. Some have both .Who pays for it? Some are funded by local business that advertise on. Ideally bag station and can. The city or a company like mine services the units paid by advertiser. I been pitching this for some time, San Luis Obispo I believe has this going on.

Of course take it home is the answer but not the reality


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Posted by Barb
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 4:36 pm

OMG [portion removed].....contribute to your community by working or volunteering to elevate the HUGE problems the community, the Bay Area, the Planet has.


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Posted by Dennis the Menace
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 4:52 pm

@ Plane Speaker

" Dennis the Menace probably says what he says because
he stink bombs his neighbors' cans."

No, actually I tote the plastic bag home,or put it in a public receptacle."

However, I could oblige, by placing it in a brown paper bag, lighting it on fire then ringing your doorbell!!


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Posted by People behaving badly
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 14, 2016 at 6:37 pm

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Posted by government failure
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 14, 2016 at 6:51 pm

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Posted by Dennis the Menace
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 14, 2016 at 8:08 pm

We are getting off topic , we need to focus on one of the most important political issues facing Palo Altans to date: Dog Poop!!


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Posted by better than vomit
a resident of Mayfield
on Jul 14, 2016 at 10:19 pm

That's nothing. Someone threw-up in our trash can the night before garbage removal. I would take your problem over this any day. I scrubbed it and still can't rid of the smell. Now our garage stinks and I almost threw-up cleaning it and I've seen a lot (3 small children.)


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Posted by A Noun Ea Mus
a resident of Professorville
on Jul 15, 2016 at 5:37 am

When I bring my black garbage can in from the curb occasionally I see some very small dog poop bags in there. I am just grateful that they picked up their dog's poop and put it in my can, or any can. When walking my dog he poops if I see a black garbage can out on the curb I have never hesitated to dump it in there. The volume is minuscule and we aren't talking about horses or elephant's poop here. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by Lesley
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 6:32 am

Here is the simple solution to everyone's problem.

The Poop Transporter!
www.hanksdogstuff.com



Get the Poop Transporter and transport your own dog's poop back to your own trash can and dump.

I think most people don't like carrying those smelly bags of poop on their walks.
The Poop Transporter comes with a roll of pick-up bags.
Pick up the poop with the pick-up bag (provided in the pocket).
Drop the full bag of poop into The Poop Transporter. Cinch up tight.
When you get back to your trash can simply push the toggle which 'springs' open the top of the Poop
Transporter and dump!

Problem solved!

I own a very large yellow lab. I have had people drop their dog's poop in my trash can. I don't mind if it's full and on the curb ready for the city workers to dump it. It is a liitle annoying when someone drops in an open bag of poop. I have to hold my breath and fish it out of the can so it doesn't squish out all over the bottom of my clean can.


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Posted by Enjoy Life
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 15, 2016 at 11:32 am

Good Lord! Y'all need to get a focus on life! Complaining about your every day minuscule problem is no way to enjoy life. [Portion removed.] Drink more, smoke more medicinal products, do whatever... Be Happy! Enjoy life!


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Posted by Plane Speaker
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 11:53 am

-- Good Lord! Y'all need to get a focus on life!

Is this hypocritical or worse.

It's fine with me If this is not your issue and you have
nothing to complain about, but why are you complaining
in these fuzzy terms about those for which this is an issue?
Why do you care enough to post about what you think
other people should be interested in? I don't get it?

These kind of attacks on people who have an issue they are trying
to talk about and find a solution to should be deleted by a responsible
editor because they really are insults to the people who don't like
dog poop in their trash cans. Nothing more.


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Posted by M. Blue
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm

@Plane Speaker:

"Town Square" is a community forum - named appropriately after the traditional Town squares of old where the common citizen could, with or without a soap box, stand up and speak their mind on any topic.

This forum is an excellent place for any citizen with a cause to hear and discuss the views of the members of their community. Why suppress the views of your fellow citizens who do not agree with you in the "Town Square" ?. In the arena of politics in a democracy, you (Plane Speaker) need to win these same people over to your side if you hope to rally sufficient support and votes to achieve your personal goals. Understanding them and seeing how your own causes and their causes can be related and mutually beneficial is the key to political success. Consider the recent failure of the aircraft noise opponent groups to achieve any consensus on joint solutions and forward collaboration. Listening, understanding, and a search for mutual benefit are the key. Not censorship and suppression of differing opinions.

Or we could go the other route. I would like the paper to remove any post that contains complains about my town: Specifically, complaints about: noise, animals, City Council, Taxes, Trains, price of housing, Traffic, VTA, crowded Streets, Airplanes, Trash Cans, Etc. I want a happy town and people who complain about it are just contributing to the negativity.


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Posted by Crescent Park Resident, too
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 3:36 pm

Wow. Not sure where to start here, honestly. So much anger in this community!

First of all, by the time the initial message was posted, I'm pretty sure the trash bins along that block (where I happen to live as well) had already been emptied, so kind of a pointless request in the first place.

Second of all, I'm not sure I've ever encountered a sweet-smelling garbage bin, and I don't really get the outrage if a bag sits in your trash bin for an hour or two early in the morning before it's collected by the Green Waste team. I could see it being annoying if some dog waste was deposited in a newly-emptied can, so it would sit for an entire week. I'd suggest my neighbors make an effort to bring their bins in as soon as possible after pick-up--that would go a long way towards eliminating this problem. There are plenty of people in the 500 block of Fulton who leave their bins sitting out for days after trash pick-up on Monday morning...

I'd much rather see my neighbors get worked up over the constant speeding and running of stop signs in Crescent Park and all over Palo Alto. How can the disposal of dog poop generate nearly a hundred vitriolic, angry responses while the more or less constant near-misses of pedestrians, cyclists, and joggers on our neighborhood streets go unremarked by residents and Palo Alto police alike?


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Posted by Plane Speaker
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 3:44 pm

M Blue
-- Consider the recent failure of the aircraft noise opponent groups to achieve any consensus on joint solutions and forward collaboration.

You make a few good points ... I don't disagree with you, though trying to organize to
fight the FCC from a local town has inherent difficulties that you seem to be vastly
ignoring and overly-generalizing about.

What I think you fail to see is the technology of manipulating people with rhetoric on the
one hand and technology on the other has grown maybe an order of magnitude. There
are some great books out there about how local forum such as this are used to herd
people like cattle by some extremely high-paid agents in PR and Internet companies.
[Portion removed.]

This is one of the most unregulated capitalist markets, the manipulation of people and
this is the center of Silicon Valley and VC Valley ... I'd have to suggest you consider who
might be working through these forums as well as why certain posts are edited or deleted.

In general as has been pointed out in different ways, the irrational actors that come
here to tell people this is not an issue and dismiss them, laugh at them or insult them,
those posts seem to be in surplus. A few that step way overboard are deleted, but
in general that almost functions as a cover for those posts that don't.

I said it in my last post -

It's fine with me If this is not your issue and you have
nothing to complain about, but why are you complaining
in these fuzzy terms about those for which this is an issue?
Why do you care enough to post about what you think
other people should be interested in? I don't get it?

These kind of attacks on people who have an issue they are trying
to talk about and find a solution to should be deleted by a responsible
editor because they really are insults to the people who don't like
dog poop in their trash cans. Nothing more.

The fiction that this is some kind of Town Forum of the type we used to see in
colonial days just does not fit in my opinion.

There is a big market for being able to smash any type of community cohesion
especially under the wire and guerrilla techniques. I am not saying that is what
happens here and now, but to deny this or to not consider is would not be
due diligence.


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Posted by Plane Speaker
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 3:52 pm

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Posted by Crescent Park Resident, too
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 4:18 pm

[Portion removed.]

Not sure exactly what made you think my original post constitutes a "nonsensical dodge" rather than a plea for a bit of perspective, honestly.

Properly bagged dog waste is trash, and going ballistic over finding a bit of additional trash in your trash bin on trash collection day seems a disproportionate reaction to a minor problem as compared to the very real risk of injury or death that speeding and rolling through stop signs on our neighborhood streets poses to all of us.

That was my point, which you obviously missed, given that you equated putting bagged dog waste into a neighbor's bin with willfully speeding on neighborhood streets.

I have no desire to "take a more helpful and charitable attitude" to neighbors behaving badly.


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Posted by Plane Speaker
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jul 15, 2016 at 9:17 pm

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