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by Wear a helmet in Palo Alto, Barron Park,
on Aug 4, 2014
Wear a helmet-- nowhere in the story does it say when the driver is from. Perhaps you can let us know,how you know thatbtheybare from PA. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good complaint!!!!
Yes, that would be one way to avoid the reality...deny deny deny that there is a problem. If you're not part of the solution there is a great likelihood that you are part of the problem.
The police don't care so all can bring out your MBZ/BMW/Volvo/Lexus and drive as if you're shouting OUTTA MY WAY!! ME FIRST!
Hey, we're bust go-getters around these parts ;)
Maybe the speed of these vehicles can be retrieved from them because I'd guess a vehicle would have to be going pretty fast to flip over from a glancing blow.
Sounds like SUVs are dangerous: their huge weight puts the rest of us (pedestrians, cyclists, drivers and passengers of smaller cars) at great risk, while the SUV occupants are apparently at easy risk of rollover while traveling on low-speed downtown Palo Alto city streets. What was the speed of the two SUVs involved in fact?
@ Helmet: Exactly where in the article does it state that either driver in the roll-over accident is from Palo Alto? Hint: It doesn't say.
And it has already been reported that the 90yo man who ran up the curb, hit pedestrians and the building was from San Jose.
Try again when you have some facts.
OK I know this is not relevant to this piece of news but about drivers in general - while I don't know about Palo Alto drivers but I have observed one thing - Drivers of BMWs are like 90% likely to driver like jerks - not wait their turn, not use indicators, drive too fast. It's amazing how that car attracts a certain type of driver - one that believes they own the road..
In a sense, everyone who drives in Palo Alto becomes a Palo Alto driver as soon as they cross into the city limits. The fact that out-of-towners can get here in one piece before having their accident indicates that Palo Alto is indeed a special place.
Anyone have any insight how this accident happened? The reporting says that the vehicles were going the same direction on Lytton and one side swiped the other. How does that turn into a car rolling 1 1/2 times? That seems extreme - these aren't particularly top heavy SUVs - the lexus that rolled is built on the Camry/Avalon chassis.
"Around 4:45 p.m., a Volvo SUV traveling west on Lytton Avenue was about to make a left turn to Bryant Street but instead proceeded straight and sideswiped a Lexus SUV going in the same direction, Sgt. Wayne Benitez said.
The Lexus rolled over one-and-a-half times and struck a traffic light post before coming to rest on its side, Benitez said."
There are several things that are chronic and rampant as far as driving.
1. Speeding - I have an unconventional take on this because I admit I speed quite a bit. The kind of speeding that worries me is the speeding when it is unsafe. I'd wager we have all been on Alma latenight or on Embarcadero in the evening at times when there are no other cars and sped. That is not what concerns me. A good example is traveling north on Alma towards downtown over Embarcadero where there are constant idiots that speed up and hope to cut in in a kind of suicide gamble from the right lane into the left lane where it closes. There are plenty of Palo Alto drivers with the bad judgement to do that ... daily.
2. Running stop signs - I rarely see anyone come to a full stop at a stop sign anymore. The full run of Channing, and often Homer from down by Edgewood up to Alma and in most neighborhoods people just run blatantly through stop signs all day long. Literally, I cannot go out driving on the shortest trip where I do not see multiple people run stop signs.
3. Running red lights - It's tempting because of how long lights are and now much traffic there is, but cars running front bumper to rear though intersections because they know oncoming traffic will not run into them is another rampant chronic bad behavior. I could understand it when it is really heavy traffic, but now that people do it, they do it all the time.
4. Staying in their own lanes - It is probably cell phones or people with cars so big they really do not know where they are relative to the lane dividers but all the time I am driving and people cannot stay in their own lanes.
For whatever reason driving behavior has gotten out of control in this area. I think the solution to it is to try to enforce traffic laws, but realistically that is not going to happen. Maybe the best solution is to realize that the average person drives like someone with half the attention span and intelligence of 30 years ago and to go back and look at opportunities to make our streets more understandable to residents and out of town drivers.
It's great that they added the left turn lanes to some of our more busy streets, but there are a lot of intersections that could benefit from that. We could also get rid of complicated signs that say you can't make left turn or right turns or go straight at various time intervals of the day. These things completely make me irate, even if I can read and comprehend them before traffic forces to me negotiate through them.
We need to have expert traffic designers debugging our streets so that they are simple enough for a child to figure out without getting into an accident.
AND ... by the way, why is it in this day of $4 gas do we have lights seemingly timed to make us stop when it is completely unnecessary? How much money and time could we save by rationalizing our traffic system?
Downtown Palo Alto is such a dangerous place right now with cars coming at you from all directions. What the city needs to do is build large parking garages at both ends of University (Alma and Middlefield) and make drivers park there. Turn the central part of downtown into a pedestrian-safety zone. Allow delivery and garbage trucks between midnight and 10am.
From a photo I saw of the Lexus resting on its left side, with right side and roof damage,
I'd surmise a 3/4 roll, not a 1.5 roll.
@musical - a 3/4 roll does seem more plausible...
One of the biggest issues I see in town is that drivers seem to use the brake pedal as an absolute last resort. What ever happened to slow down, wait until its clear, then go?
Now its: Quick! Cut in front of that guy or you'll have to wait 4 extra seconds. I'd agree with the original topic though; I generally find the drivers on PA streets to be the worst in the area.
I never found out about what I was curious about and posted about above: what was the speed of the two SUVs going down this downtown city street? I hope that if either vehicle were speeding, the driver got cited.
Why the lat poster posted that s/he finds Palo Alto drivers the "worst in the area:" a sense of entitlement of some persons here, particularly those with very costly status vehicles. It's like: The he** with you. that's just their general attitude, owing to their status/money. It's not a high moral place to be coming from...
We saw the aftermath of this accident. Just because they were on Lytton doesn't mean any of them live in Palo Alto. Drivers all over the Bay Area vary in their abilities, and many of them are dangerous and selfish. I've had totally subjective observations about patterns of bad drivers, but I know I'm subjective. One of the big trends that I've noticed overall, everywhere, that doesn't bode well:
-Drivers not giving peds the right of way
-Peds paying too much attention to their phones, instead of cars and cyclists
-Cyclists wanting the privileges that peds have, without the responsibility that drivers have
-Cyclists now in places they didn't commonly use before, such as ECR, and streets in the underpasses, instead of the sidewalks, cyclists mostly unwilling to ever walk their bikes anymore
-Drivers who have some sort of obstacle to their right side (a cyclist, a ped, an open car door, for example), instead of slowing down, actually speeding up and veering into the opposite lane, as if the person going the opposite direction is responsible for the situation in the opposing lane. It's bizarre and dangerous.
-Bumpers in the downtown Menlo parking lots sticking waaaay out, which is dangerous. It's also tempting just to hit their bumpers.
-People not taking an extra moment to park correctly, thus inconveniencing or endangering other drivers, cyclists and peds.
Those are just my recent observations, and those drivers don't all live in Palo Alto.
The above is a dangerous combo, and those are just my observations.
A driver who drives in Palo Alto is a Palo Alto driver. Residency is not an issue.
Monitoring the PAPD frequency, one often hears 11-95 (vehicle stop) followed by a license plate number. Dispatch replies with the vehicle make, year, and city where registered. Seems to me that it's usually out of town. Someone must have the statistics. Don't know whether this means out-of-towners are worse drivers or just more likely to let their sticker expire.
It means that locals know where to cops hang out and how to avoid them.
Yesterday I drove down the 2-way section of Channing Ave. to Fresh Market. 4 cars busted though stop signs there without stopping or even slowing down. On the way back I saw a police cruiser parked in the street ... not sure what for, he be was just beyond the jog towards 101 where he would have been able to see most of them.
Some tree trimming couldn't hurt, as I've noticed many Palo Alto stop signs obscured by foliage.
I should start jotting them down and submit to PaloAlto311.
I see one such service request there right now for Waverley at Loma Verde.
I usually get yelled at when I bring out my own clippers.
I hope the injured people get better soon. There is something perversely amusing about two $100,000 oversized SUVs getting in each others way.
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