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GOP cancels 2012 Reagan Debate

Original post made by Willy SM, Atherton, on Mar 30, 2011

Looks like our GOP candidates don’t have the guts to declare. As outlined in the previous thread, partially pasted below, the Reagan library was set to host the first GOP debate in 4 weeks.

Or not. From today’s news:

“Organizers worried that the May 2 debate, which was announced shortly after the midterm elections last November, would not attract candidates who will eventually get into the race but are delaying announcements for legal and political reasons. Only one top-tier candidate, Tim Pawlenty, has officially created an exploratory committee.” Web Link

Where are our brave GOP candidates? Again, at this point in the last cycle, every major candidate had announced and was politicking.

Are they THAT afraid of Obama? Is he unbeatable? Mitt? Michelle? Newt? Sarah?

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Previous thread: Web Link

The first Republican debate is scheduled at the Reagan library on May 2nd. Web Link At this point in the last cycle, every major candidate had announced and was actively campaigning.

Who's running? Many are undeclared at this point. Some have formed exploratory committees.

* Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota

* Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi

* Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton of Maryland

* Talk show host Herman Cain of Georgia

* Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey

* Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana

* Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich of Georgia

* Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York

* Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas

* U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman, Jr.

* Former Governor and 2008 Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin of Alaska

* Representative Ron Paul of Texas

* Former Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota

* Former Governor Buddy Roemer of Louisiana

* Former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts

* Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania

* Senator John Thune of South Dakota

* Businessman Donald Trump of New York

Which will win the Californian GOP primary? Who will the victorious GOP candidate be? Who will take the oath in January, 2013?

Which candidate do you like?

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Posted by 3 way
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Mar 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm

I would like to see a 3-way race between Michele Bachmann, Alexandra Wallace, and Sarah Palin. All 3 have similar platforms, but different styles.

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on Mar 30, 2011 at 9:14 pm

3 way:

Bachman Wallace Palin: as a conservative, to you, that's an attractive platform, eh?

But you can only have two, who do you toss?

I suppose you can give her a position. SecState?

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Posted by 3 way
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Mar 30, 2011 at 11:17 pm

Conservatives vote on rhetoric, not competence.
And if one of these wins the primary, I guarantee they will not pick anyone else on your list for VP.

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Posted by Jesse
a resident of Ventura
on Mar 31, 2011 at 5:07 pm

No debate needed. Everyobody knows we can balance the budget if we just defund NPR.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 1, 2011 at 12:16 pm


Clearly you do not understand!

Among the gutless wonders that claim to be interested in running for the GOP nomination (to be the 2nd GOPer to be slaughtered by President Obama,)there wasn't much to talk about last week.

NPR was the most important thing!

A close 2nd place was Michelle Bachman and her light bulb conspiracy. Web Link Shutting down Planned Parenthood was also CRUCIAL to our country in these times of crisis!

What else was there? Why would they talk about silly beltway stuff like Libya, Afghanistan, shutting down the government, an unsolved nuclear meltdown, etc...

Or like they promised to at least talk about: JOBS!

So they had to cancel the debate because the chickenhawks were to chicken to declare.

Buk buk buk buk brrr-awk! Bwa-waaack!

Republican governors in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, etc.., have so motivated the republican union voters to abandon the GOP that Obama will roast his 2012 opponent. The GOPer that wins the nomination by default, (ie.. just showing up and declaring,) will not be making chicken sounds for long.

They rarely do after being barbecued.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 1, 2011 at 12:18 pm

"to chicken"

Two chicken?

Ahhh, TOO chicken!!

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 6, 2011 at 4:20 pm

Good news, bad news:

good news: A candidate with a strong chance to win in 2012 FINALLY stepped up and announced candidacy for president.

bad news for conservatives:

It was President Barack Obama.

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:06 am

Two weeks to go, to the date of the (now canceled) GOP first debate, and nothing's changed. A couple GOP candidates have announced exploratory committees, but refuse to step into the race.

Odd, since all the 2008 candidates were in and running at this point in the last cycle.

What are the reasons? I don't know, but it's probably a variety of factors:

- President Obama's perceived strength?
- Tea Party concerns?
- Afraid to announce now, and be forced to publicly handle tough budget questions?

It's probably a mix of all three. With Rep Paul Ryan's plan announced and being voted on soon, besides being DOA, perhaps the candidates are afraid of the conflux of the three:

- going far right to win the Tea Party
- maintaining the mantle of sanity (relative to the Ryan plan) to get the independent vote in the general
- all the while, the President skates along without a primary opponent

Forgive the sanity comment. I just don't see how our GOP candidate can attract moderates if she or he comes out and supports Ryan's plan. Ryan should have saved his plan for after a GOP victory in 2012. With a GOP sweep of the house senate and executive, they could then do whatever they want to medicare and social security. Announcing the cuts to medicare before the election just puts seniors into play for Obama.

Obama will make mincemeat of any GOP candidate who publicly supports Ryan's plan on medicare. His speech on Tuesday laid out the template.

Who will step up? Will we get a serious candidate to run in the general?

Will the survivor of the primaries be one of the one's above with the potentially fatal flaws?

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:30 am

Holy smokes!

Right after I posted, here comes a PPP poll on candidates - fyi, it's a pdf link Web Link

Donald Trump (R): 26
Mike Huckabee (R): 17
Mitt Romney (R): 15
Newt Gingrich (R): 11
Sarah Palin (R): 8
Ron Paul (R): 5
Michele Bachmann (R): 4
Tim Pawlenty (R): 4
Someone else/Undecided: 10

Trump trumps them all. This is getting interesting.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 21, 2011 at 12:14 pm

Walter Wallis:

here's your guy!!!!

"Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, an avid athlete who climbed Mt. Everest and has a strong libertarian bent, announced Thursday that that he will seek the GOP nomination for president, expanding an already crowded field. "

He's a lib(ertarian)!

I know you're thrilled. I'll hoist one with you tonight (in spirit.)

rephrase: I'll hoist some spirits tonight.


"“Our leaders in Washington, D.C., have ‘led' America to record unemployment, a devalued currency, banking scandals, the mortgage crisis, drug crisis, economic crisis, loss of our nation's industrial might—and a long list of other reminders our nation is way off course.”"

Funny, I thought lib(ertarian)s would end the drug war. Learn something new every day!


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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 22, 2011 at 9:52 am

Trump continues to surge.

Good news for those that want to see a freewheeling, no "politically sanitized" politically correct speech in their elections.

I just have to try and find a copy of my long form birth certificate.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on Apr 25, 2011 at 1:45 pm

Another one rides the bus! Ummm, bites the dust!

Haley drops. Discovers America doesn't want to elect a lobbyist. Or a guy that "luvs the flag" (the confederate flag, that is.) Web Link

Sorry, Walter, last week you picked up a libertarian, this week ya lost a confederate flag waver.

Can't win them all...

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 3, 2011 at 11:39 am

Looks like a key GOP election component is off the table: in the 2008 campaign, McCain said he wouldn't go after Bin Ladin in Pakistan. The Democratic candidate said: we're get anywhere we get the chance.

That removes national security as a advantageous GOP plank.

Given that the GOP/Ryan House budget bill recorded nearly unaimous GOP votes for privatizing Medicare while adding 7 trillion in debt, requiring debt extensions, maybe balancing the budget in TWENTY years, tax cuts for millionaires/billionaires - well, that effectively neutralizes economic issues.

What's left?

You got it! It's re-run season:

God, Guns and Gays!

The GOP way.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 3, 2011 at 11:42 am

sorry, forgot:

The first GOP debate was scheduled for YESTERDAY (OBL day +1) at the Reagan Library.

Can you imagine how that would have gone with the "national security discussion"?

"This question to The Donald: sir, what are you plans to capture Bin Ladin"

The Donald: " I want to see education records!!!!"

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on May 5, 2011 at 11:16 am

awwwwwwwwwright, political junkies!!!

They're doing a debate tonight after all!

No Donald, Mitt, Huck, Sarah, Bachmann, etc... just Tim Snore and 4 wackos.

Hosted by Fox, of course. The huge factchecking burden this provides ought to give credence to the GOP creating some jobs, at least.

Even the Newt looked at this debate and said: "you crazy, bubba? I can't be seen with that group of wackos!"

In other news: two more GOP candidates decided to drop their papers in, under the cover of darkness (okay, under the cover of the OBL news-a-thon.) It's called a "soft" or hidden launch, designed to not be noticed, otherwise they would have waited a few days till they could crack a news cycle.

The brave lads? Huntsman and Rick Santorum.

At least Huntsman is a serious diplomat.

Have fun tonight, fellow junkies!

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm


Think they'll tale about bin Ladin, or just stick with blasting "the gay"?

It's Santorum, after all...

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on May 6, 2011 at 9:37 am

Herman Cain cleans Timmy Snore's clock, even the Frank Luntz focus group agrees. (has anyone ever run a focus group ON Luntz?)

Herman Cain?

Then Hannity shows nothing but lil' Timmy Snore in the "highlights."

Guess the Faux Fix is in!

There ya go folks, it's going to be Pawlenty vs Obama in 2012.

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Posted by the Donald
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on May 6, 2011 at 10:27 am

Why are the Democrats going out of their way to make fun of Donald Trump? What are they afraid of?

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 6, 2011 at 3:05 pm

"What are they afraid of?" What do you mean by "they"?

Straw man. There isn't a Democrat that IS afraid of trump. They ALL want him to run, but he gives up the farce of running on Sunday, May 15th when NBC announces their fall lineup. He snookered you and the media for a month, but it's over in a week. he's a good promoter, for sure. An excellent celebrity for this day and age. But politically?

He's a joke. When he took over for his dad in 1971, a company worth $400 million. Most say he's now worth a billion. He claims $2.7 billion, but won't prove it.

If YOU had invested $400M in the S&P 500 at the same time, you'd be worth twice as much as he's worth now. So that makes him a loser in the eyes of an serious financier. No one would invest in a fund with his lousy returns. That's success?

Still think he's smart? He ran a casino that had to declare bankruptcy.

Think about that. Say it again.

He ran a casino that had to declare bankruptcy.

Wow. How is that possible? Casinos virtually print money.

Run, Donald, run.

Guess who wants him to run, besides the Democratic Party? Every comedian in the world is rooting for trump to run.

Especially since Sarah dropped.

Run, Donald, run.

He drops in 9 days.

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Posted by Willy SM
a resident of Atherton
on May 15, 2011 at 12:15 pm

Today's the day Huck drops. Too bad, I actually liked what he brought.

Trump drops this week. No loss, just a celebrity seeking headlines, just a joke for a week.

Chris Christie is being drafted by some despite the fact who loses his home state to Obama.

Newt announced this week. Tweeted it. I can't recall what the ethics violations that caused the GOP to kick him out of the leader role in the 90's. Have to look it up if he gets traction. He won't. Also want to look up and see if the first few wives were the same look as the recent one. She seems to be in the same range as the women McCain cheated with, Cindy while his first wife tried to get over the car wreck, and the (Cindy clone) lobbyist that came out in 2008 - they all seem to look alike for some reason. John and Newt have the same "ideals".

This week, even Fox started bemoaning the spectacularly bad field.

We've yet to see anyone on these boards, especially the Obama haters, pick a winner.

All quiet on the Herman (debate winner) Cain front.

Mitt screwed the pooch with his attempt to talk about Romney/Obama care. Sorry about the dog reference. "Conservative Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin mocks Mitt Romney's health care speech by Twitter:

the only idea dumber than this speech was strapping the irish setter to the top of the car"


Guess it's Timmy Snore by default.

Obama over Snore by 8.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 16, 2011 at 9:47 am


The talk from Iowa: Web Link "With the Iowa straw poll a mere 90 days away, the absence of an obvious leader in the GOP race for the presidency, or even an obvious lineup, has left Republicans in a state of unease - but the uncertainty has also heightened anticipation, insiders say. "

Like your prediction. My guess is the President over the flip-flopping ObamaCare, dog on my roof guy, by 7.

Who knows, every candidate has deep flaws, maybe they coalesce around the adulterer, family values, ethics-challenged lizard.

Where are the conservatives from these boards? Hank? Wally? MV? arch con?

Don't you love your country?

Are the conservatives happy to stay with the debate winner?

Herman Cain?

The pizza guy? Was hoping the GOP had a jobs creation plan for manufacturing, not pizza delivery men.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 16, 2011 at 11:24 am

Conservatives: I apologize, I was wrong.

"...but he gives up the farce of running on Sunday, May 15th..."

I'm sooooooooooo sorry, I missed it by a day. Web Link

You're running out of joke candidates. Looks like it's:

Cain/Santorum 2012 (uh-oh, that conflicts with my statement about joke candidates!)

C'mon, conservatives! Who ya got?

Who makes you proud to be a republican? Or for those with no courage, an independent?

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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on May 17, 2011 at 6:13 am

We, conservatives and republicans, knew who Trump was, and knew he was not a real candidate. The media and general public got off on his frank battling with the mainstream press and Obama/Dems, but he was never a real candidate. It was always about the money.

The problem is that a true conservative has yet to declare. It is going to take a true Constitutionalist conservative to win this election. Anyone wishy-washy, regardless of great personal story ( like McCain) will lose. The country is smart enough to know now, as it was in 2008, that whether we destroy our country more slowly through a big-government RINO type republican, like McCain, Romney, etc, or quickly through a Democrat like Obama, it is still destroyed. Better to do so under a Dem brand than a Repub brand, if both are going to do it.

If a truly courageous conservative declares, and I mean Constitutional Conservative, who has a strong history of commitment to limited FEDERAL POWERS, I believe that person will win hands down. Americans do not want to bring back a kingdom.

BTW, did you all know that the 1 time "stimulus bill" of 800 Billion is now a yearly BASE for our Federal Budget? How is that for power grabbing? Did you know that virtually all of that "stimulus" money went to support State and local employees? ( As Obama told us on Univision, he rewards his friends, and punishes his enemies...witness rewarding the State and local employees with our money, while we lose our jobs and homes, rewarding the well over 1,000 waivers for Obamacare...until after the next election...and denying Emergency assistance to Texas after their this TRULY the kind of federal government you want, one which plays fast and furious cronyism and games? If out, one day you will be on the losing end of the game).

I am still waiting for the right candidate to declare. Some are in the wings, but like good conservatives, are weighing all their options and risks carefully. It is a huge sacrifice to give up family, finances and current career to run through an election muck, especially if one is not a Democrat, and even more especially if one is a Conservative. It will take a strong person.

If one doesn't step up, one who is actually DIFFERENT from a modern democrat, one who can inspire conservatives to get out and vote, then Obama will continue to be our president. I felt last election, and continue to feel, that if someone is going to destroy our country, it may as well be BHO and Democrats who take the blame.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 17, 2011 at 10:42 am


You have nothing.

A mere fantasy in the back of your mind that you can't even match up with a real person. "Some are in the wings, but like good conservatives..."

Too funny! He/she doesn't exist, or you would tell us who this macho constitutional crusader is!

The GOP line up is deeply, deeply flawed. Now Newt's getting trashed because he finally spoke out, trashed even by the $400m drug abuser.

Show us some perspective. Give your fantasy hero a name, perspective.

I will agree with you on one point: if he did exist, he's wise to sit this one out and avoid being tagged a sure loser. For guys like Huntsman, he knows he's going to lose, but it's a good run for him to have people get to know him a bit for a real run in 2016.

Huntsman: make the rounds, stay serious, above the dumb GOP issues fray, pick a good point to bow out gracefully and work on branding for 2016.

Willy picked lil' timmy above, I picked mittens. The more I think about it, it's snore, or Daniels.

I keep forgetting how toxic Mitt is to the whackos. Funny that. If the fringe accepted Mittens in '08, Barack would still be a senator. Mitt would have looked FAR better than Gramps when the economy blew up and gramps told us it was fundamentally sound, as Lehmen, AIG & housing imploded.

perspective: kind of funny you don't even have the guts to name a name. Very strong of you.

perspective's bumper sticker: "he who shall not be named/Bachman VP 2012"

Omigosh!!! It IS Valdermort, isn't it?

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 17, 2011 at 10:55 am


Couldn't let your secessionist Texas comment go:

Rick "gee my hair sure is terrific" Perry should run.

You'd love a guy like this! Threatens to secede Web Link from America in one breath. Claims "we don't need no steekin' big guvmint" in our lives.

Fires burn up some of his state (like in 2006) and instead of calling in "big guvmint" he holds a 3 day prayer service first (couldn't he do both?!?)

Then goes crying (late) to FEMA and whines "you ain't sending enuf!" If he had responded faster, he would have had FEMA's ear BEFORE 200+ tornadoes destroy Tuscaloosa and kill 300 Americans in the South.

Here's a pic of him praying: Web Link Sorry, no pic available for him hustling up the paperwork in a timely manner.

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Posted by Alfred E Newman
a resident of Atherton
on May 22, 2011 at 4:20 pm

The jokes are filtering out: Trump and Huck.

Daniels out yesterday. Wife didn't want herself to be the 2012 female version of Newt family values.

Leaves Huntsman as the only one left who's smart, presents well and isn't too much of an extremist, though Huntsman kowtowed to the fringe this weekend by supporting Ryan's privatizing Medicare/tax cuts for billionaires plan.

Guess Newt taught everyone a lesson this week: "how to not pass the GOP litmus test du jour"

Quote of the 2012 cycle already awarded unanimously to Newt: "Any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood..."

Hey Newt, that almost competes with Tina's Palinism: "It's just so great to be back on Fox News, a network that both pays me and shows me the questions ahead of time. I just hope that tonight the lamestream media won't twist my words by repeating them verbatim."

Is remarkable that there isn't a conservative on this board who's confident enough to pick the winner, or even the one he/she wants.

Fall in love in the primary, fall in line for the general.

Dems don't get to fall in love again, just must decide to fall in line.

Repubs don't have ANYONE to fall in love with.

Ain't life an ironic *****?

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