Meg Whitman and Meg McCain agree that Arizona's new racial profiling law is a dumb idea.

Meg Whitman: Web Link
Meg McCain: Web Link

Most GOPs seem to disagree with the Megs, including the younger Meg's father, who is currently a US Senator for Arizona.

What Arizona did was, essentially, deputize its police officers to act like the Border Patrol. I don't hear a bunch of whining about racial profiling regarding the BP. The AZ police will go through training to being them up to speed with BP methods. Sounds like a great thing to me. Arizona needs help...it is under attack.

This law is an unfunded state mandate on the counties, cities, and towns. Conservatives usually claim to oppose unfunded mandates. Seems that racism trumps principle.

But don't you know the Dems are loving the whole show. The Repubs have kissed off the Hispanic vote and shaken up any newly-complacent Hispanics who were considering voting Republican.

So democrats are opposed to arresting criminals?

Shane is right, the AZ law just moves the federal law down to the state level. If the federal government isn't going to enforce the law, why not remove it from the books?

It is also nice to see that AZ recently added Constitutional Carry to its state constitution. It joins Alaska, Vermont, and Montana as states recognizing the rights of its citizens.

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Actually, around half of Democrats oppose illegal immigration. We just have no voice in our party's leadership. Kind of like how actual fiscal conservatives have no voice in Republican leadership.

In other words, moderate Republicans and Democrats are under-represented in the immigration debate.

But here's a thought: if the problem with the Arizona law is that folks think it's discriminatory, I've got the solution: universal biometric ID. You don't even need to carry a card. It can use something like Fujitsu's palm scanner, which reads the unique pattern of veins in your palm. Can't fake that.

So have a reader in every cop car, every hospital, every school, every employer, every polling station, every DMV. Make it impossible for people not here legally to obtain a job or any social services--regardless of race, ethnicity, or country of origin.

And illegals will self-deport if there's no advantage to being here.

How's that for fair?

It is hard to understand such a strong screech against enforcing immigration law, except from the point of view that we are all one world and that the laws involved with entering and staying in the U.S. are arbitrary and therefore void.

I can think of two situations that come to mind that help me think about San Francisco's hysteria.

First, the gay marriage laws. "They're wrong, so we will ignore them."

Second, the refusal of the U.S. and other countries to accept Jews fleeing from Germany and territory under its influence. We had quotas for Jews coming in to the U.S. and hence by law could not accept more.

In that case, the immigration laws and their enforcement led to immoral actions.

Yet how can Arizona be faulted to trying to enforce laws on the books? And in their case, the failure to enforce the laws is causing an extreme burden on the state! Almost as much as the burden in California.

The problem I have with this law is that I don't see how they can implement this law in a reasonable manner.

Are they going to demand proof of citizenship from everyone?
How about Indian nationals?
Are legal residents going to be required to carry their passports, green cards, and/or birth certificates?
If they round up people, what are they going to do with them? Deport them? Are they legally allowed to do that?

How are they going to save money when they are sued from every direction by legal residents who are arrested for not carrying a passport? A driver's license is not really a proof of residency.

This isn't the first time that immigration laws have been enforced in the streets. You need to carry proof of citizenship at all times or you could find yourself jailed even if you have done nothing wrong. And of course, these laws will be unequally applied to Americans with certain (apparent) ethnic backgrounds.

As I understand it, the law only allows proof of legal residence demands when it already allows for proof of ID demand; i.e. there is no new power granted by this law, just a change allowing state employees to do what federal employees already are charged with doing.

Why should we support a city and regime which endorses brining in illegal immigrants to drive down the wages of our lowest paid citizens?

Newsome and company are a Public Policy Disaster - they should be out-of-business

"I've got the solution: universal biometric ID"

Le The, Indeed you do. It is long overdue.

"So democrats are opposed to arresting criminals? "
No, Walter, it goes much deeper than your right-wing reactionary question. It would be like saying that the Republicans are supporting Al Qeida, because John McCain said that the republicans in the senate would not cooperate with the democrats for the rest of the year, even when it came to national security issues.

@ Whine, whine, whine

It is just that the voices against this law have not read the law. Therefor for your education here is the law. Web Link

NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE (Arizona) MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.

FACT: More than 70% in Arizona citizens support this law.
Why because it targets criminals. READ THE BILL

IMO--It will be overturned in the courts. Support of a law by the public does not make it legal or moral--look at the treatment of African-americans in the south years ago.
Why didn't the legislators go after the business people that hire these illegal immigrants? Because it would upset deep-pocketed business owners who support the republicans.
Already many law enforcement leaders in Arizona have come out against the law

Gee, even when someone point to the textual facts you still manage to repeat the talking points of the supporters of criminals.

@Whine, whine, whine, ......Why didn't the legislators go after the business people that hire these illegal immigrants? Because it would upset deep-pocketed business owners who support the republicans.

If you had read the bill then you would have see this:

An employer shall not knowingly employ an unauthorized alien. If, 12 in the case when an employer uses a contract, subcontract or other 13 independent contractor agreement to obtain the labor of an alien in this 14 state, the employer knowingly contracts with an unauthorized alien or with a 15 person who employs or contracts with an unauthorized alien to perform the 16 labor, the employer violates this subsection.

How about you read the bill?

"Gee, even when someone point to the textual facts you still manage to repeat the talking points of the supporters of criminals. "
Gee, sounds like you like enjoy repeating the talking points of those that support flawed laws.
This legislation will be overturned in the courts--no point in discussing it further.

This law reminds me of the good old days in Europe, when the gestapo used to go around asking people for their papers. Didn't the communists in Russia also do the same thing in their glory days.
Yep. those Arizona lawmakers sure know how to make their state look good.

"So democrats are opposed to arresting criminals?"

Some people just cannot stay on topic. But, as a civics lesson, let's recall that the only way to arrest criminals in the USA is to capture escaped cons. Everyone else is innnocent until proven guilty, whereupon they become cons. But why arrest them? You already got them in custody.

I doubt the Dems oppose arresting escaped cons. But they are gloating big time over the Repubs' Super 187 in Arizona. One more state in their pocket.

Arizona police officers are suing the governor on the grounds that the new law requires racial profiling. Story on CNN: Web Link

@ cops against racial profiling

Arizona police officers are suing the governor - LOL

Web Link
Page 3 point 15. LOL the attorney is an idiot.

Hey - another press clipping attorney, we have see this story before.

Racial profiling discussions throughout the Bay Area on May Day: Web Link

I think you need to learn what the law actually is before spouting "racial profiling" bull.

It goes back to what the laws originally were...if you are busted for driving badly or driving a bad car, and don't have the right ID ( driver's license)..guess what? You are up for review on your legal status, both as a driver AND as a person here legally.

So what? That is not profiling. If someone is driving well, they don't get stopped. If someone isn't drunk and disorderly on the streets, they dont' get stopped.

Etc.

But it has been framed by the leftists, who care more about keeping the illegal votes in place than protecting legal residents and citizens, and therefore it is now, suddenly, "racist" and "profiling"...

same old story..

The good news is that the more folks show up at the upcoming rallies, the more we will wake up America to just how many folks are here illegally.

You gotta remember, Arizona has about 480,000 illegal folks ..out of 6,500,000 ..do the math. What percent of Arizona is "illegal", and what percent of those in the jails are "illegal" etc etc...

If the Feds refuse to do their job of protecting States and Citizens from invasion, military or not, then the States have to step up to the plate.

BTW, try reading what the law changes were that have decreased the "racial profiling" here in SJ. Changed the laws so that you have to be busted drunk 6 times in a year before you can be prosecuted..gosh, what a shock, prosecutions dropped. In other words, we just lowered the bar for what is "illegal". Also, breathalyzer tests are now "voluntary" when stopped..isn't that lovely?? Try reading up on the law changes to please the charges of profiling..and check out the number of deaths from drunk drivers in a couple years as those statistics start coming out.

Geez

"Why didn't the legislators go after the business people that hire these illegal immigrants? Because it would upset deep-pocketed business owners who support the republicans."
Most business people support democrats. Both parties share the blame for this mess. It isn't a partisan issue. And I agree with punishing people who give jobs to illegals exactly the same as those who dispense government largess to them.

City leaders in Phoenix, Flagstaff and Tucson are considering legal action to block the law. And they are receiving death threats for their efforts. Story in the Mercury-News: Web Link

Phase 2 of Arizona's ethnic cleansing program - public school teachers with "foreign accents" are being fired and ethnic studies classes are banned.

Wall Street Journal: Web Link
Fox News: Web Link

Major League Baseball is worried that their players will be harassed by Arizona police.

official MLB press release: Web Link

You got to be kidding me. Both of these two matters are clear and needed. You are "politicizing the educational environment."

The first one: The Arizona Department of Education recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English.

The second one: The new bill would make it illegal for a school district to teach any courses that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."

You also claim that Major League Baseball said something about the Arizona law (official MLB press release) - WRONG this is the Players Union. Can you not get anything correct?

This is common sense.

Are you a supporter of these 7 guys?
Web Link

New procedure for Arizona Diamondbacks baseball games:
1. sing the national anthem
2. check the players' passports
3. first pitch

Arizona was scheduled to get the baseball all star game next year. I hope they are not betting on that still happening.

Arizona is now going to prevent Major Leaguers with accents from playing, but only pitchers, shortstops, and third basemen:

Web Link

Are these your baseball players?

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The invasion must be stopped.

AGAIN: I was stopped for a speeding ticket...I was asked for my driver's license..if I hadn't had one..what next? If I were brown, should I be let go? After all, don't want to prosecute someone here illegally, do we?

C'mon folks, get a clue..

SECOND:

FACTS ABOUT AZ Illegal alien immigration!!!!

1. 1 out of 13 residents in AZ are illegal aliens
2. 20.3% of all latinos in AZ are illegal aliens
3. Maryvale is 75% latino and has 1/3 of ALL the violent crime in Phoenix
4. Arizona is #1 in kidnappings
5. Arizona is #1 in confiscated drugs
6. Arizona is #1 in illegal alien border crossings
7. Arizona is #1 in home invasions
8. Arizona is #1 in drop houses
9. Since 1988, illegal aliens have killed police officers Kenneth Collins, Marc Atkinson, BP Agent Paul Epling, BP Agent Alexander Kirpnick, Robert Sitek, Nick Erfle, and Nanuma Lavulavu (alledgedly, still an active investigation)
10. Arizona is #1 is identity theft/stolen SS#s

4/30/10 Pinal County Sheriff Deputy was shot with an illegal alien w/ an assault rilfe

++++++++++++++++++++++

Got a clue yet?

You forgot a fact

11. Arizona has become the nations capital of racism.

This is just a bunch of people panicked by the economy rushing to victimize people whose skin is darker than theirs. There's a name for that.

BSBL please give some kind of data to indicate that Arizona is racist...perhaps any laws that favor one color over another? ( like, for example..um...affirmative action laws)....or..umm..let me see..one group of folks being favored over another on the basis of color for, um..let' see.....mortgages..oh, sorry, that would be the Community Reinvestment Act ( which lit the economic wildfire we are still burning from)..oh, ok..how about.....um..well...gosh..guess I should stop helping you out.

Arizona has awakened the sleeping giant. Minority rights groups across America are unifying to fight bigotry and racism. Passing their law the week before International Workers Day and Cinco de Mayo was an especially unwise decision since huge minority rights rallies were already planned for those days.

Even Cardinal Roger Mahony is leading rallies in chants of "si, se puede" (which is "yes we can" for you monolingual people).

AP News story: Web Link

Still trying to grasp the concept.

"we are here illegally, but there are so many people here legally of the same race that shouldn't be tainted by us, we have lots of political power, let us continue to be here illegally."

I know I am missing something because this just doesn't wash. What am I missing?

Wow..just learned that the Arizona law is an exact wording of the Federal law from the 1940s re: immigration, but now applied to allow AZ officials to enforce it since Feds aren't.

It is simply what the law has always been, but which has been ignored now for some years..if you are busted doing something wrong in the first place, AND you are here uninvited, you are out. Simple.

Also just learned that the last 2 "racist" "nazi" laws that AZ passed in this same way withstood lawsuits by the usual cast of fools, even in the most liberal of the land 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. This one will, too.

To Racial Profiling:

Guess you don't know that at least 20% of Mexicans are white? But I see you DO know how to copy and paste "awakened the sleeping giant. Minority groups..."blah blah blah.

As for Cardinal Mahoney...I am Catholic, and I have no respect for him or any church "leader" or priest who speaks about anything political at all. They just reveal their, at best, ignorance, and at worst, stupidity, and dilute their true job, their true message that they were ordained to do. If Mahoney wanted to be CHRISTIAN, he would call for donations to help the poor, regardless of color or immigration status. He could set up a fund to help families stay together and survive as they go back home. He could call for a form of govt in Mexico that respected human rights, and promoted free-market so that folks could pull themselves up. He could put his energies into building schools across the border for kids in Mexico, toward the orphanages that house the thousands and thousands of starving and abandoned kids in Mexico. He could use his energies to promote health care service donations to Mexico.. There are so many useful and CHRISTIAN words and actions he could take, instead of muddling with 1) law, which he knows nothing about and 2) another State's business and 3) Citizens' rights..yes..citizens' rights to defend and protect themselves.

Heck, I wonder if he has taken his front door off of where he lives so that just any person can come in uninvited to his home? If he has..maybe at least I wouldn't think him a hypocrite. But, short of that, he is nothing but a hypocrite, proving right those who think organized religion is only for fools ( starting to wonder myself, actually, if they are right ..as my "leaders" and "priests" become ever more foolish).

I am supposing that he believes the Vatican should have open borders also, or else he would call them Nazis?

what an idiot.






and stay out of law, of which he knows nothing. Instead he makes a fool of himself and Catholics everywhere, He is a fool to mix himself up in something he knows nothing about. Every time the "elite" of any church speak on anything political, they reveal their ignorance.

Separation of Church and State is something I believe in mightily, and I believe it when I agree with the "leaders" ( gosh..have you ever heard Mahoney speak out against abortion??) and I agree with it when I disagree with Mahoney ( like on this issue..he shames me)

In their debate last night, Steve Poizner said he supports the Arizona immigration law. Meg Whitman is against it. Who are you voting for?

Charging racism just passed patriotism as the last refuge of a scoundrel. And does anyone remember "Liberation Theology"?

Who is the racist? Meg or Steve?

I am the culturalist. Where do I go?

Walter, yes, I remember Liberation Theology well...had a talk with my priest about it, in fact, as he and our church have fallen into the deep end of the same chasm which led to the Catholic church in South America supporting the massacring communist tyrants ...who seemed to be "for the people" before they were brought to power by "Liberation Theology".

Churches really need to stay out of political "solutions', and stick, instead, to homilies and works based on what they actually know..theology and bible and applications to individuals in reflection and prayer. Once they get into the realm of the political, they end up making fools of themselves and the church, the latest in a long line of examples being Mahoney or whatever his name is.

Unfortunately, we have a new crop of gullible leader who didn't know about or didn't learn the lessons from the last crop in the 60s, and seem determined to repeat the same mistakes.

Perhaps history should be part of the theology school?

BTW, I am voting for Poizner...apparently Tom McClintock is correct, he is the only political conservative ( the function of government is to defend the constitution, not "spread the wealth"), and one current clue of this is his defense of AZ's law, which is based on Federal law.

I like him. Virtually nothing he can do except veto once he gets in office, because we have a fully-democrat controlled legislature, but veto is better than full steam ahead!

CNN compares the anti-Arizona backlash with 1955 Alabama bus boycott that launched the modern civil rights movement: Web Link

Rosa -

The implication is that these cities and people will boycott until the US has no border and anyone can come here anytime, and anyone who does is given all rights of citizenship automatically.

Otherwise, there must be a law with teeth limiting the circumstances under which people can come here, and limiting the rights of people who don't follow that law. There is such a law, but the boycott is against the teeth, thus in practice nullifying the law.

This can't end good.

The NBA protests against Arizona racial profiling during a nationally televised playoff game.
CNN report: Web Link
ESPN report: Web Link

I didn't know that Seattle had a pro-racial-profiling law. Story in the Mercury-News: Web Link

AGAIN, it is a big lie. The AZ law is not racial profiling. The Federal law it is copied from is not racial profiling. No matter how many stories there are trying to paint it as such, the truth is...

If I am stopped for doing something illegal, and I don't have something to prove who I am, I have to go to jail until the police sort out who I am.

If I am driving a car with no license, no papers, regardless of my color or gender, I am hauled off to jail until I can produce something that proves who I am.

If it turns out I am an uninvited guest, it kicks into place the uninvited guest portion of the law.

I like it.

I was stopped 3 weeks ago, I had my valid driver's license, but didn't have the most recent copy of my car insurance in the car, and had to call my partner to come bring it...was that gender profiling, perhaps? Or perhaps sexual orientation profiling?

If I hadn't had my insurance papers show up...what then? Whose fault is it I didn't have my papers in order? MINE!! Nobody else's.

C'mon folks. Let your neurons do their jobs.

Arizona fights back: massive E. Coli outbreak originates from Arizona lettuce farm. Dozens of people fall ill, with several potentially fatal kidney failure. Story in the New York Times: Web Link

Yet another reason to mechanize harvesting and logistics in agriculture.

Besides reducing the incentive for illegal immigration, machines won't handle produce in unsanitary ways. (perhaps intentionally for revenge)

Multistate Outbreak of Human E. coli O145?

Humm... sounds criminal to me.
DNA test maybe in order.

A Biological Weapon used to taint lettuce where is Homeland Security?

Questions for Illegal OR Legal Aliens of Hispanic Heritage: [In English Only]

1) Why do you decry the alleged ‘injustice’ of our laws, while your own corrupt government’s laws are so draconian?
2) Why do you call us racists when you call yourselves “THE Race”?
3). Why do you feel you do not have to ‘produce your papers’, but non-Hispanics have to in order to work, buy or sell, get on planes, or even for routine traffic stops?
4). So many of us, including Hispanics, have been terrorized by Human and Drug Traffickers & Cartels, so why would you help them to follow you here? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of escaping a Narco State?
5). My father had to wait months in quarantine, screening and a tedious documentation process to gain entry to the US. Why are you exempt?
6) If you do not speak English yet,do you not understand that you are being made into another dependent class whose only value to the unscrupulous Democrat Party is for harvesting votes? And that you’re discouraged by Democrats from learning English to limit your opportunities thereby keeping you dependent?


Again, please find the language in the AZ law which is racist or profiling. If stopped in a lawful interaction with law enforcement officers, and you have nothing that says who you are, you kick in the Fed Law...simple

UN human rights experts say Arizona is violating international law. Story on Fox News: Web Link

The Arizona (ground zero for immigration) bill is necessary to curb the terrible crimes that Geez has cited. By doing nothing, the federal government has left enforcement up to the states. It is offensive that Gavin Newsom and other leaders are calling for a boycott of Arizona. Perhaps I'll boycott San Francisco.

By the way, my bank greets callers with this message: "Please select a language." Considering it is located in America, that language should be English. I am not a teabagger, but in many ways, I agree with them: I want my country back.

Arizona's racial profiling law will work exactly like the "driving while black" racial profiling that is practiced in many areas. The cops see someone with the wrong skin color in the expensive part of town and they will look for any excuse to pull them over. 1mph over the speed limit? Driving too slow and holding up traffic? Didn't stop for a full 3 seconds behind the stop sign? Didn't signal that right turn? Registration sticker on your license plate is a little dirty? Acting a little nervous when a cop is driving right behind you for miles at a time? Now they've got you and will check your passport and search your car. Would you enjoy living in a town where this happened to you week after week? Most Hispanics in Arizona are legal US citizens and now they are all subject to regular harassment.

There was even a case a couple of years ago where an African-American man who was sitting in a legally parked car was beaten up by Palo Alto cops. What was his crime? The cops just thought that a black man parked in Palo Alto must be suspicious.

And exactly what country do you want back? The "whites only" country? I'm old enough to remember when "whites only" signs were common in parts of this country.

According to the latest polls 90% of Americans want English to be the official language of the USAWeb Link

"Americans continue to overwhelmingly believe that English should be the official language of the United States and reject by sizable margins the idea that such a move is racist or a violation of free speech.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 87% of Adults favor making English the nation's official language.
This is the highest level of support yet but in line with what voters have been saying for several years.
Just nine percent (9%) disagree"

Also Arizona today banned biased, divisive ethnic studies programs in public schools.Web Link

" The new law forbids elementary or secondary schools to teach classes that are "designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group" and advocate "the overthrow of the United States government" or "resentment toward a race or class of people."


Good idea, social engineering is prevalent in PAUSD schools-- teaching distorted bias views of history in which the Europeans and early white Americans are always the bad guys and the indigenous populations are naively portrayed as human rights activists and environmentalist--nonsense.

Such tales are a complete distortion of history, African and Arab tribes were slave traders long before and after US, it was the UK and the US that outlawed the slave trade first.
Many native North and South American tribes were not only cannibals but also genocidal to their neighbors. They wiped out whole species and had an agricultural policy of slash and burn which was an ecological disaster limited only by their small populations.

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

If you want to see true ethnic segregation then look at Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc where the decendants of colonists from Spain and Brazil control economics and politics overwhelmingly.