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China emissions to swamp Kyoto reductions by 2010

Original post made by julie, Midtown, on Mar 11, 2008

Within two years, Chinese emissions of greenhouse gases will have vastly outstripped the reductions achieved by all the countries that have signed up to the Kyoto protocol combined. Using data provided by the Chinese government, researchers at the University of California have calculated that China's emissions by 2010 will be at least 600 million metric tonnes greater than they were in 2000. But the most likely outcome, according to the computer models, will be emissions of twice that figure. link New Scientist Web Link

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 11, 2008 at 2:56 pm

The Chinese people, having tasted the fruits of capitalism, will never willingly go back to the village life that the greenies wish on us. Not only will our reductions be swamped by growth elsewhere, even if all our reductions were made it would not change the temperature any measurable or predictable amount. It will make you feel all warm and fuzzy as you freeze in the dirty dark, however.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 12, 2008 at 6:49 am

While I really wish China and India would not go the way of
rampant capitalism, I've seen both countries and I think its
ridiculous to ask them to scale back after we have gone
through the earths resources like a rampaging elephant.
Little is wasted in those countries whereas in the US as I look
around I'm horrified by the wasteful and excessive lifestyle.
Single person driving around in a monstrosity that can carry
8 people, newspapers that land with a thud that shakes the house,
most of which are to tossed, lights blazing everywhere at night,
and a government that believes its "vital interests" require
invading other countries and killing civilians to acquire
resources. No, lets keep asking china and India to not commit
the follies of the "developed" countries but lets work on fixing
our own mess.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 12, 2008 at 9:05 am

A local boy, Ehrlich, lost a bet on resource depletion. Find a country other than capitalist where forested areas are increasing, fauna are stable and air and water are getting less contaminated.
Should people who drive solo in an 8 passenger vehicle have to purchase seperate vehicles for each passenger load, or just one vehicle suitable for all uses? Resident may enthuse about the village life where women beat clothes against rocks and collect cattle dung to heat the single daily meal, but I value women more than that.

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Posted by CallWallyForAGoodTime
a resident of another community
on Mar 12, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Even the Chinese Communists understand that their wild west abuse of the environment is unsustainable but the central government can no longer rein in the local authorities. China's bubble is going to burst sooner rather than later and it's going to be a very hard downturn. It's not going to be pretty for China or the rest of the world economy because all of the developed world economy's are linked now.

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Posted by Greg
a resident of Southgate
on Mar 12, 2008 at 9:18 pm

China has a silver lining. It is building nuclear power plants. That puts them in a positon to lecture us (not the other way around).

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Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Mar 12, 2008 at 9:57 pm

You have no idea of the internal conflicts breeding in China, due to unchecked growth. There is no ability for local or regional entities to take actions necessary to start environmental action on the "edge" of commercial networks. This will lead to a very, very bad situation, for the Chinese, and us.

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 12, 2008 at 10:21 pm

What about emissions and the strain on our environment, as we keep assimilating thousands (millions) of new immigrants from developing countries? Seems like a way street here. We can no longer continue to house the whole world. After University, or their work visas have expired, they must return. The student visas are being abused as a legal form of entry - that is why so many foreign students keep prolonging their graduate work, they are trying to change their visa status.

Additionally, job hopping from company to company must be stopped. The company that arranged for the temporary work visa must make certain that the employees leave at their job has been terminated.
This rule is enforced in Japan and Thailand and other countries.

Another issue about China and disease:

An alarming new flu in Hong Kong. Travelers beware!

Web Link

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Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Mar 12, 2008 at 11:20 pm

Editor, Why on earth did you take out my second last point in the post, above? It's an insight that I got from a brief discussion with Jared Diamond, of "Guns, Germs and Steel" fame. Seriously, you need to lighten up, or better educate yourself about the facts of Chinese culture re: control from the center, for millennia. You're coming off as rather clueless about cultural history, and ethnography...

The point, again, was that China seems not able to encourage regional innovation fast enough to deal with dynamic change. This is a huge problem, as evidenced by the lack of control exhibited in product tampering, despite some regional efforts to stop it. Thus, the worry that nuclear waste will be mishandled there, with dire consequences.

Please leave that in :) It's good for the mind.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 13, 2008 at 7:12 am

How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm,
after they've seen Paree?

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