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War made easy

Original post made by Marty Cohen, Stanford, on Feb 20, 2008

War Made Easy exposes a 50-year pattern of government deception and media spin that has dragged the United States into one war after another from Vietnam to Iraq. Narrated by actor and activist Sean Penn, the film exhumes remarkable archival footage of official distortion and exaggeration from LBJ to George W. Bush, revealing in stunning detail how the American news media have uncritically disseminated the pro-war messages of successive presidential administrations. Click to view
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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 20, 2008 at 1:52 pm


How ironic that a propaganda piece, like you just posted, is critical of progaganda, in times of war.

Just apply the propaganda in your piece to the war on global warming. Alternatively, you could just dial it back to 60 years, instead of 50 years (how convenient that WWII was left out of the argument...not to mention that Israel, fully supported by the U.S. administration, preemptively attacked its neighbors in 1967, yet it was left out of the picture in your hit piece). Heck, how about the Civil War (why not just let the Sotuh go forth with seceesion?...all that Gettysburgh Address stuff was just war propaganda, after all.

Marty, are you a Stanford student? Sophomore, by any chance? Or are you just inebriated by "hope"? Ghandi told the victims of Hitler to just accept their fate...but he never told his minions that pacifism is much deadlier than war. Patton saved many more lives than Ghandi.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Interesting propaganda from the useful idiots.
I drive a Kia and watch a Samsung screen, both products made possible because of my war. The North produces starvation and slavery, courtesy of the anti-war forces that forced a truce on Ike. Look where we did not interfere - read Haili Selasi's speach to the League of Nations and give Madona's cast-off a wave off.
I do think Panama was a bit much, but Jimmie should not have given our canal away.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Crescent Park
on Feb 21, 2008 at 9:47 am

Liberal nonsense.

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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 21, 2008 at 12:22 pm

If you go far enough left or far enough right, you end up with the same result... dictatorship.

Hope you get what you want Marty, but not in this country.

By the way, great editorial piece by Amir Taheri today about how Radical Islam parties are losing ground in countries with democracy in place. Recommend it. Very heartening to see that my basic belief in the goodness and intelligence of the majority of people, regardless of religion or nationality, is validated.

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Posted by Marty Cohen
a resident of Stanford
on Feb 22, 2008 at 1:07 pm

What short memories people - have you forgotten the 'Gulf of Tonkin' resolution all based on lies which gragged us into Vietnam. Perhaps the Iraq war hawks could enligthen us on the whereabouts of those pesky missing WMD's - a forgotten inconvenient truth!!!!! Saddam Hussein a monster? Perhaps, but he was our ally or did you pro-hawks forget????

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 22, 2008 at 1:30 pm

"Saddam Hussein a monster? Perhaps, but he was our ally or did you pro-hawks forget????"

Marty, that old chessnut does not work, because those who try to use it always fail to mention that our ally in WWII was Stalin (killed more innocents than Hitler). A nation supports those who are in its best interest to support, at a given time.

It's Friday, have probably just finished your studies for the week. Good for you. Instead of trying to save the world over the weekend, like I used to try to do, when I was at college, why not just go out and have a good time tonight? You will learn much more that way.

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Posted by gary is facile
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Feb 22, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Nice insight into Gary's character: go with what is in one's interest at the moment. Don't worry about standing on principle.
And since you've obviously got the numbers, how about telling the world how many lives Patton saved and how many Gandhi did? Oh, right, I guess you don't have those numbers.

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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 22, 2008 at 5:45 pm

I DO have numbers.

Without Patton, fascism would have reigned throughout Europe and England. Fascism alone was responsible for at least 12,000,000 non-war deaths in 6 years. That is 2,000,000 per year. Ok, assume that the total war deaths in WW2 was 10,000,000. This number is very hard to determine, and varies greatly, but I am taking the best shot. Most of those deaths occured before the USA came into the war. So, assume even 2,000,000 ( a very maximum number) happened after Patton entered the War and that Patton was responsible for all of them.

The War was won by freedom for Europe and England, and Japan. The people of these countries stopped dying at the rate of 2,000,000 per year. The war ended 60 years ago. 2,000,000 times 60 years is..well, you get the idea. Patton saved many more lives than most people can begin to count.

Gandhi, no clue how to count his "lives saved". Clearly, war did not happen with England,..a good thing. AND, England is a very civilized country, and was not killing the Indians before hand, nor was likely to go to war over India. Hard to count that up for Gandhi, though I have no doubt he did good things.

Now for the number of lives the war in Iraq has saved.

With Saddam in power, 70,000 government induced Muslim violent deaths per year on average.

With the war, 70,000 total violent Muslim deaths in 5 years. 1/5th the rate of violent death.

Give me the Iraq war over the "peaceful" Saddam Iraq anytime.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 22, 2008 at 7:30 pm

facile, here is Ghandi on the German Jews:

"Having rejected both the plea that Palestine should be offered as a place of refuge for the Jews and the idea that the Western democracies should launch a war to overthrow Hitler, Gandhi offered only one avenue for the Jews to resist their persecution while preserving their “self-respect.” Were he a German Jew, Gandhi pronounced, he would challenge the Germans to shoot or imprison him rather than “submit to discriminating treatment.” Such “voluntary” suffering, practiced by all the Jews of Germany, would bring them, he promised, immeasurable “inner strength and joy.” Indeed, “if the Jewish mind could be prepared” for such suffering, even a massacre of all German Jews “could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy,” since “to the God-fearing, death has no terror.” "

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Ghandi liked to claim the Bhagavad Gita as his spiritual inspiration, yet he refused to accept the spiritual embrace that allows man to fight evil with real spears ("There is no greater good for a warrior than to fight in a righteous war").

Ghandi was a foolish man, who was content within his own spiritual detachment, but who thought all others should also dig on god as he did. If Hitler controlled India, instead of the British, there would just be several hundred million dead Indians, instead of an independent India.

I am many things, not always nice things, but I am not facile, facile.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 23, 2008 at 6:04 am

Imagine the Ghandi scene in front of the locomotive had the officer in charge been of a nationality other than English. Imagine an India without the centuries of training in civil government.
It is not bravery to dare a civil man to hit you - don't try it on a bully.
As for the Tonkin action, nighttime naval battles, like nighttime infantry battles, very often lack visual identification of the enemy. If you sorty against a military craft, it can constitute a belligerant act. Ask the survivors of the Cole.

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Posted by Super Patriot
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 27, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Chill out Marty. We like our wars, if somebody else fights them for us and we get to watch on TV.

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