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Guest Opinion: Are we too divided as a society? Even locally?

by Diana Diamond

Rigidity. A lack of willingness to change one's views — or really listen to other people's points-of-view. It's happening here in Palo Alto; it's happening nationally. I don't like it. In fact, I fear it.

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Diana Diamond is a lifelong journalist whose blog, "An Alternate View," is posted at PaloAltoOnline.com/blogs. She can be reached at DianaLDiamond@gmail.com.

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Posted by Another
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 26, 2019 at 8:54 am

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Respecting both sides may make sense when we are dealing with Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush, and others on the right, who, whatever their flaws, had a fundamental respect for the institutions of our democratic system and for people of all races and religions in our country. Yes, they did give a wink and a nod to the white supremacists and other racist elements in the GOP base that have now come out into the open in the Trump era, but at least they maintained a basic decency regarding these important things.

Trump is openly racist, encourages division and persecution of non-whites, lies to the American people incessantly, and has casually denigrated women in the most disgusting terms. He calls journalists the "enemy of the people". As the Mueller report reveals in exhaustive detail, he has no respect for the law or our government and has at every turn tried to obstruct justice. And as journalists at Propublica, the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc. have discovered, the Trump organization is likely guilty of numerous instances of tax fraud, money laundering, and other criminality.

What do I think about our low unemployment rate and healthy economy? I think it's testament to the strength of American companies and consumers. A healthy economy also occurred under Obama and would occur under a different Republican president. I don't believe that low unemployment somehow justifies Trump's racism, misogyny, lying, criminality, and generally idiotic behavior. The sooner that SDNY and other federal prosecutors bring their 14 outstanding investigations of Trump to conclusion and reveal the full depth of his crimes, the better.

This is no time for the "both sides-ism" expressed in this article. Yes, sometimes it's just the truth that the president is a lying, racist criminal.


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Posted by feelings, wo-oh-oh feelings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 9:20 am

> Trump is openly racist, encourages division and persecution of non-whites, lies to the American people incessantly, and has casually denigrated women in the most disgusting terms.

Locally or nationally, it's the lies and lack of facts. If one can't base their debate on facts, they have "divided" themselves from any debate. They're just sharing their 'feelings' at that point and need a safe space.

From Global Climate Change to local school budgets, if you deny basic facts, you've lost. All the deflection, fallacies and debate tactics in the world won't convince anyone.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2019 at 9:31 am

Since this has now been reprinted in the main section rather than just in the blog section, I would like to repost my comment from the blog.

<<We are a divided community, locally, nationally and globally. To some extent, we always have been so this is nothing new. To some extent, it is a good thing as who would want to live in a carbon copy society where everybody thought the same.

Saying this, it is not division that is bad, but the way in which division makes people behave. I can disagree with many people even over important matters, without berating them either verbally or physically.

I think we have lost the ability to debate and we have lost the ability to listen. We have become a society where the one with the loudest voice, the biggest fist, the largest gun, or the most activists, has become the sole acceptable opinion.

Personally, I am pleased that we are not all the same. But sadly, I wish more felt this way. I would give my opinion more often if I felt that people would listen and respect it, instead of calling me names or targeting me for abuse. >>

I would add that I think it is important that we learn from each other. We can agree to disagree, but we should not be so judgmental on others views that we cannot see the flaws in our own thinking. Over time with more experience and maturity, our views can change and this should be something that we can do without feeling we have "changed sides" as if there is always "sides" in any discussion and only "two ways of looking at something", the right way and the wrong way. Many things are full of gray areas. Many issues are very dependent on where we are standing in our own circumstances. It is very easy to look through a very narrow lens. The phrase "alternative facts" has taken to mean lies, but in actual fact a glass being half empty or a glass being half full is an example of an alternative fact and whether the glass contains poison or nectar will make both sound pleasing or unpleasant.

We should talk to someone and even more importantly listen to someone who has an opposing opinion and can eloquently and rationally support the opinion with respect and the idea that perhaps that person may teach us something from a different perspective than we have previously experienced.

On the other hand, when there are those are just shouting cliches as loudly as possible with as many hateful names and comments just to make noise, as empty vessels often do, the best action is to just ignore them as not worth the time or effort in trying to address the issues in a rational manner. They simply just don't want to hear and they like their own noise so much that they might as well enjoy it on their own.


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Posted by The American Way
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2019 at 10:04 am

Regardless of the electoral college debate, Donald Trump was duly elected as POTUS.

He was also successful in swaying the traditional blue-collar Democratic vote.

Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were equally despised as a potential POTUS.

In a perfect world, neither one would have been elected POTUS & neither would have Bernie Sanders.

After two presidential terms, the populace is generally sick of one party or the other overstaying its initial welcome in the White House (i.e. two terms of Clinton/Bush/Obama etc.).

As a result, Donald Trump got elected. Will he serve two terms?

For those detestful & weary of numero 45 & his policies, personality & what not, there is always 2020.

But the Democrats are going to have to come up with someone far more dynamic in persona than the current candidates who have announced their potential run for the US Presidency.

Lastly and I was discussing this with an acquaintance last evening...within the next 20 years (5 presidential elections) do you think we will ever elect (1) an LGBT, (2) Muslim, or (3) Chinese POTUS?

I'm wagering against it happening even though I don't have a particular problem with any of the aforementioned scenarios.

You see & despite what our elementary teachers tell us...not everyone can be POTUS. There are built-in constraints to prevent that from ever happening.






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Posted by feelings, wo-oh-oh feelings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 10:33 am

> Donald Trump was duly elected as POTUS

duly:
- following proper procedure or arrangement
- as might be expected or predicted

Both our intelligence community and the Special Counsel Report cataloged significant Russian interference in the 2016 election. To ignore Russian interference as if it didn't happen, and to state it was a "proper procedure or arrangement" election is a falsehood.

Numerous other false observations, but for grins, let's ask: how do we know there has NOT been an LGBTTQQIAAP president?

;-)


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Posted by MAGA
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 26, 2019 at 11:09 am

This country will never find common ground on issues like white supremacy. When certain political parties and TV networks started looking for support from white supremacist groups, they created a division in our country that will take a long time to repair.


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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2019 at 11:34 am

What Will They Do Next is a registered user.

@ feeling.....The Russian interference in the election took place during the Obama presidency. He did nothing to stop it other than tell Vlad to "cut it out." The former president also stated on many occasions that the outcome of the election was not affected by anything they did.

I know it's hard for liberals to accept still, but Donald Trump was duly elected POTUS and Hillary Clinton was not.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2019 at 11:37 am

Posted by feelings, wo-oh-oh feelings, a resident of Evergreen Park

>> but for grins, let's ask: how do we know there has NOT been an LGBTTQQIAAP president? ;-)

FWIW, President James Buchanan was almost surely gay, but, that isn't why he was a terrible President. He has often been credited with being the worst President in history and more-or-less ushered in the Civil War. His sexual orientation was an aside, then and now.


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Posted by Consider the source.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Apr 26, 2019 at 11:48 am

Consider the source. is a registered user.

I do agree that we all need to listen to each other and try to understand each other more to find points of consensus--which are more plentiful than many of us might realize. However, I find it amusing that this piece is written by Diana Diamond, an opinion writer who so often appears to dismiss facts that don't align with her world view.

I am currently reading a book titled Factfulness by Hans Rosling It's a good read and it offers strategies for looking at the world (including big problems like world banking, population, health, food and water distribution, climate change, extinction, pollution, news, and politics) in new ways that allow us to understand problems more fully and think about them more comprehensively before we arrive at conclusions. Further, it helped me see progress we have made in many areas that had previously been invisible to me.

It's worth a read. A good book for summer.



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Posted by Jonathan Brown
a resident of Ventura
on Apr 26, 2019 at 11:55 am

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Thank you, Diana, for this terrific piece! You have inspired me to help find out what it means to listen in an open-minded way to the view points of others regardless of my pre-conceived notions. "[C]an we once again start debating political issues in neighborhood gatherings without people feeling uncomfortable about even discussing the issues of the day because of the polarization that has taken place?" As some famous heroes that came before us said so well, "Yes we can!" Be the change you want to see.


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Posted by Alex
a resident of another community
on Apr 26, 2019 at 11:56 am

Alex is a registered user.

He is using the presidential office to try to hide his crimes and delay his own prosecution. He is profiting from the position. He's good at that. That's the one good thing he's done. Oh, and he's great at giving tax breaks to the very richest citizens and businesses.

If there is any justice left in this government, he will be in jail in 2020.


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Posted by Politics As Usual
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 12:21 pm

Not defending Donald Trump but what you see is what you get...for better or for worse.

The 'song & dance' Democratic politicians (i.e. Nancy Pelosi, Jackie Speir, Hillary Clinton, Liz Kniss et al) are the ones to genuinely distrust.

BTW...I only vote for "what you see is what you get' candidates (i.e. Dianne Feinstein, the retired Barbara Boxer, & of course, Donald Trump in 2016).

Crossing party lines as well as the line itself is all we have left in America.


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Posted by Anna Mans
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2019 at 1:00 pm

an opinion writer who so often appears to dismiss facts

Have an example? You know, a fact?


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2019 at 1:20 pm

Posted by Politics As Usual, a resident of Crescent Park

>> Not defending Donald Trump but what you see is what you get...for better or for worse.

I don't know what you mean. Policy-wise, Donald Trump contradicts himself constantly. The only thing that he is consistent about is, "Donald Trump". Is that what you mean?

>> Crossing party lines as well as the line itself is all we have left in America.

I still support the First Amendment and the "rule of law". That is why I never, ever vote for any Republican for any office at any level.


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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2019 at 2:47 pm

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@ Alex...."If there is any justice left in this government, he will be in jail in 2020." He may be preceded by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama based on information coming out of the Mueller report.


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Posted by Your Vote Doesn't Count!
a resident of Woodside
on Apr 26, 2019 at 2:50 pm

>>> Policy-wise, Donald Trump contradicts himself constantly.

^^^ A trademark of not only Donald Trump but of many politicians both Republican & Democrat.

"Upon further review" is the standard intro for changing horses or to avoid stepping in the horse poop.

We see this occurring in local politics as well. All politicians wants to be on the popular side of public opinion. It equates to added votes come re-election time.


>>> "But the younger group of newly elected representatives, e.g., Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ("AOC"), D-NY, and her supporters, are pushing their Green New Deal, insisting on government health care for all and a variety of brand new programs, such as a guaranteed income for everyone. So far the newbie Congressional members' strident voices are becoming louder every day. Speaker Nancy Pelosi wants a less abrupt change of policy so that Democrats can come together by 2020."

AOC's smugness as if she's got everything figured out is somewhat irritating & her 'progressive' proposals are highly unrealistic at this particular point in time.
On the other hand, her unbridled support of a Trump impeachment proceeding is admirable but again, an unrealistic endeavor at this point tin time.


>>> The 'song & dance' Democratic politicians (i.e. Nancy Pelosi, Jackie Speir, Hillary Clinton, Liz Kniss et al) are the ones to genuinely distrust.

Can't argue with you there.


>>> Regardless of the electoral college debate, Donald Trump was duly elected as
POTUS. He was also successful in swaying the traditional blue-collar Democratic vote.

Hillary Clinton really blew it when she referred to working-class Trump supporters as 'those people'. Clinton's condescension showed her true colors & she had the audacity to think she could capture this voting bloc.

William Jefferson Clinton would never have stooped so low as he is a true politician & 'teflon' master.

In retrospect, we haven't endured this kind of 'division' since Richard Nixon was POTUS although there was definitely more bi-partisanship in Congress.

Today the political lines have been drawn & there is probably no going back. It started with Newt Gingrich back in the 1990s & people have gotten used to the vitriol.

It's no big deal. Probably better to be rude & straightforward rather than artificially polite & perpetually vague in a perfunctory manner....that's old school politics (i.e. the aforementioned Hillary, Pelosi, Speir, Kniss & company).





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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2019 at 3:16 pm

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@ Your Vote Doesn't Count......"Hillary Clinton really blew it when she referred to working-class Trump supporters as 'those people." This is what she actually said....Sep 10, 2016 - Speaking at a fundraiser in New York City on Friday, Hillary Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables” characterized by “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamaphobic” views.

Let's not try to sugar coat her despicable comments. It's one of many reasons she was unelectable.


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Posted by What Will They Do Next
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2019 at 3:36 pm

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@ Your Vote Doesn't Count.....at least Newt was civil, unlike the leaders today (both sides.)


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Posted by feelings, wo-oh-oh feelings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 4:58 pm

> at least Newt was civil

Are we talking the same guy? Newt Gingrich, who told his cancer ridden 2nd wife in the hospital about his new girlfriend? And asked for a divorce while she was hooked up to tubes? That guy?

Whew. No wonder some people think Donald J Grab'embythe is civil. Virtually no standard of civility to compare it to, i guess


Also:

“I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty."

On Reagan’s meeting with Gorbachev ”the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Chamberlain in 1938 at Munich.”

Compared an election to the Holocaust.

On why he fights with his second wife: “It’s not even that it matters to me. It’s just the habit of dominance, the habit of being the center of my staff and the center of the news media.”

“People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz. I see evil all around me every day.”

When forced to step down due to HIS affairs and ethics scandals: “I’m willing to lead, but I’m not willing to preside over people who are cannibals.”

Pages and pages and pages of 'civil'. From a guy who told us he cheated on his wives and fiances because he 'loved America so much'.


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Posted by Tired-Old-And Fed-Up
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 5:24 pm

> at least Newt was civil, unlike the leaders today (both sides.)

I wouldn't go that far. Newt had an agenda...a mean-spirited one as demonstrated by his personal life & vindictiveness towards Bill Clinton.

> This is what she actually said....Sep 10, 2016 - Speaking at a fundraiser in New York City on Friday, Hillary Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables” characterized by “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamaphobic” views.

Let's not try to sugar coat her despicable comments. It's one of many reasons she was unelectable.

No question about it. Hillary Clinton is another mean-spirited person with two faces.

Donald Trumps lacks the temperament & diplomacy to be leader of the United States.
While some may appreciate his 'shoot from the hip' Twitter tirades, most sane as well as educated people would consider Trump very unstatesmanlike & almost childish.

Not exactly someone you'd want holding the nuclear codes.

That said, the Democratic Party has been selling the country a bill of goods for too long now and most voters are tired of this BS as well.

Who who turn too for quality leadership? Good question as the Demo pipsqueaks who have announced their candidacy are unqualified to be POTUS while 'Uncle' Joe Biden still doesn't get it in regards to respecting women's space & Kamala Harris is another 'song & dance' act.

Another four years of 'the Donald'?

Good god, added life expectancy has its drawbacks.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 26, 2019 at 5:49 pm

Clinton was guilty both of excessive accuracy: “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and Islamaphobic” and of understatement: "half of Donald Trump’s supporters." Web Link


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Posted by Tired-Old-And Fed-Up
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 6:44 pm

Hillary's got a bad temper too.

Web Link

Would this be considered domestic violence?


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Posted by Roger Overnaut
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 26, 2019 at 7:48 pm

"It's one of many reasons she was unelectable."

One must then wonder why Clinton received some three million more votes than her opponent. Was that because the majority of voters deemed her unelectable?

I submit that glib uninformed snarks like that quoted above are a prime cause of our division. Fewer and fewer people think before they spout. Perhaps ever fewer people are capable of thinking.


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 26, 2019 at 8:26 pm

Remove California and Clinton lost the popular vote as well.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 26, 2019 at 10:45 pm

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Every time I see the standard lines of "isms" I wonder if people have these written down on a cue card. Appears to be the limit of their depth of understanding of what is going on here. If you read off the standard group of accusations does it make a person feel better? I wonder what is the source of many people's daily input of data. With some exceptions I have Fox News on all day and it goes to all of the events the press goes to, and they have roundtables with people of opposing views. I don't wait for someone else to tell me what the president thinks or how he acts in large groups. I can see that he is a good speaker in a large crowd and he has a natural manner that the crowd appreciates. And he is in command of the facts regarding the economy.

And since I am a registered Democrat I get mailings which are pure nonsense and are offensive. I then wonder what you all expected to happen if Hilary won? What did you expect to happen? The economy is as great as it will get and we are getting more business back into the US. If more people are employed then that is all to the good. If you look at the EU countries they are is real trouble. Your African states are in real trouble. Given the knowledge on the internet why are all of these other countries struggling with the governance of their countries? They aren't looking at us - they are in their own troubles.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 27, 2019 at 7:57 am

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Since we are involved in the Russian connection I am researching the Guatemalan Coup of 1954. This where the newly formed CIA created fake a Communist Plot in order to remove the then current President of Guatemala because he was trying to create a middle class for the country. This involved taking land way from the United Fruit Company (UFCO) who was busy buying up all of the land available for planting throughout the Central American countries, including Cuba. The New York Times created fake news to that effect. Yes - they removed the President, put in their own stooge, and got their land back. However the unattended consequences were that Fidel Castro grew up on UFCO farm and now in power in Cuba he took all of that land. Che Guevera got involved in this controversy and the further consequences are that Presidents through Clinton had to own up to the CIA's operational methods of fake wars. And the contribution of the major press at the time of feeding the beast on this topic. You can put this on your computer and put it in the search engine and read many documents and opinions regarding this event and the unintended consequences of their operational methods.

Fast forward to today and we are back in the Russian Connection and the participation of the major newspapers is supporting the "conspiracy" regarding the goings on in our elections. Same plot, same characters, same story line. People tearing their hair out because in today's world of instant knowledge hiding things is not as easy. Bottom line is that most of this is staged fake news and the Russians have been here for centuries. Time to get on with running the country and putting people to work. And figuring out where we go with the current situation in the Central American Countries regarding our business dealing there. That would now be the Dole Food Company and Del Monte - both California Corporations. And the people who are invested in those companies. Throw Walmart into the group as they are the money changers with their banking activities regarding and purchaser of food items.


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Posted by A Separate Reality
a resident of Los Altos
on Apr 27, 2019 at 8:33 am

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> Your African states are in real trouble. Given the knowledge on the internet why are all of these other countries struggling with the governance of their countries?

Because many of them are dictatorships & an illiterate population is not a viable stepping stone to democracy. In some ways, many of these countries would be better off as colonies but no modern country would want to take on the responsibility of providing vast public health & security measures regardless of the available natural resources and access to cheap labor.

This is one reason why Puerto Rico (US) will NEVER become the 51st state. Though it is a US 'territory' rather than a dictatorship, there are too many social & economic problems involved if Puerto Rico were to join the Union and it is also incapable of self-governance as an independent democratic country.

Puerto Rico is like a dependent adult that will always have to be looked after and the same can be said of many African countries. They are like helpless children that have been tossed into an adult world.


> I am researching the Guatemalan Coup of 1954. This where the newly formed CIA created fake a Communist Plot in order to remove the then current President of Guatemala because he was trying to create a middle class for the country. This involved taking land way from the United Fruit Company (UFCO) who was busy buying up all of the land available for planting throughout the Central American countries, including Cuba.

^^^ The same thing happened in Chile with Anaconda Copper & Salvador Allende who was branded a Communist (by both the CIA & USA) for trying socialize the country's copper industry. He was eventually overthrown & it was 'back to business' as usual.


> And figuring out where we go with the current situation in the Central American Countries regarding our business dealing there. That would now be the Dole Food Company and Del Monte - both California Corporations. And the people who are invested in those companies.

If these major fruit companies are really the ones responsible for the mass immigration from Central America AND if these immigrants are truly capable of operating and managing vast banana plantations, then there should be a revolution of sorts to free these countries of capitalist & dictatorial governance.

That's not going to happen because the masses lack the internal leadership qualities + wherewithal to initiate social change...primarily due to illiteracy factors & indifference.

As a result, it's far more convenient to attempt unauthorized migration into the United States where many assume they will be taken care of via undocumented labor & social service entitlements.




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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 27, 2019 at 10:38 am

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Another issue is the participation of churches in this problem which are assisting and abetting migrants. A different blog here on MAGA hats brings up the Presbyterian Church of Palo Alto. Note that the headquarters for the church are in the state of Kentucky from which decisions which affect the church are voted on in the General Assembly. Note that those pesky Covington kids also come from the state of Kentucky - oh dear. So are all of these activities coordinated with the State Department and the FBI/CIA? The CIA loves creating "moments" in which there is ample photo coverage and follow-up in the big news. The CIA's operation tactics have been there from the beginning. And Big News is an active participant.

Good Read is "The Fish that Ate the Whale" by Rich Cohen. He grew up in the middle of the family issues and has a good read on all the principles in the government and UFCO. From the beginning most of the players were related to each other or went to the same schools. Half incompetents that put activity is place with no consideration of the unintended consequences affecting both the US and the countries involved.

Back to our Central American countries reading up on Wikipedia they all have elected government with same structure as US. They all are participants in world wide organizations - UN, etc. So no lack of participation here. And if you go to Expedia Travel sites they all have major hotel chains, air transport, and vacation resorts. United Airlines magazine has ads for Guatemala - Heart of the Mayan World - Culture Calls. Have to give credit that they are all trying to step up here to generate tourist and business participation.

No major newspaper has reported on the governments of these countries and the current status of the business base. The US dollar is what is used here. There is no focus by any major news outlet or government Department of State regarding the current mix of defaults and opportunities available. That is where the problem is - the countries have to maintain some semblance of opportunity within each country as opposed to be driven by outside corporate interests. That goes for Africa also as we have troops there in Nigeria trying to assist the country get it all together.


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 27, 2019 at 11:04 am

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Follow-up to UFCO - it had a major fleet of ships that were used in WW2 and further government "opportunities". They commanded major utility of major ports in New Orleans, New York, Baltimore, etc. They were a major element of trade at a point in time when shipping was the major manner of transport for agricultural elements. That required freezers to protect against elements. Major ports now across the US are dwindling in use. That is another reflection on the status of the economy overall.
C&H sugar used to ship from Hawaii to bay area. That has stopped. Matson lines for Hawaii - US mainland is truncated. Lots of elements here which are indicators of US / foreign trade which used to dominate the scene. Ship by plane? Watch New Green Deal - that is how "stuff" gets from point a to point b.


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Posted by Divided We Exist
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Apr 27, 2019 at 1:20 pm

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Why all this roundabout discussion about banana republics?

The thread topic is about topical divisiveness not imported fruit.

Sugar, pineapples and bananas have nothing to do with a polarized America.

Save produce lecture for the guy at the fruit stand or farmer's market. *geeze*




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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 27, 2019 at 10:25 pm

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If you all not have noticed the immigration problem on the border is about the banana republics. The next question is why is there so many at this point in time? What is going on in their countries that is going so wrong that they are leaving? We are going to pick up the tab here. And what is our involvement in their problems. A little history points to some major historical happenings regarding our relation ship in that location that is being mimicked now. It is about the US control of other countries assets - in this case the agricultural products and the land that they are grown on.

Next is the beginning of the CIA that was related directly to the historical happenings in these countries. Turns out that the CIA has a method of operation which starts wars and trouble and the major papers cover their activities. We are looking at their play book right now and they are being covered by the major papers. So reading the opening of this blog and other responders I am adding some historical notes in which there is a duplicate of situations. It is called connecting the dots. And in this case the dots include the economy of the country.

So you don't get it. But then I do not get people who read off their "isms" like some holy grail. That is why we don't agree. I do not agree with the "isms".

But then you have not offered a new idea or personal take on what is going on. Are you simply an observer? Any research on how we got at this situation?


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Posted by Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 28, 2019 at 6:41 am

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