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Flooding in Palo Alto, Menlo Park as water levels at Pope-Chaucer Bridge near capacity

San Francisquito Creek also overflows in East Palo Alto

People observing the Menlo Park side of the creek at Pope-Chaucer as water levels spill over Saturday. Photo by Sue Dremann.

Nervous Palo Alto, Menlo Park and East Palo Alto residents gathered at the historically troublesome San Francisquito Creek on Saturday morning as the heavy rains of the most recent storm caused water levels to rise rapidly and threaten to overflow the creek's banks. Some neighbors kept a close eye on data from online creek monitoring systems, trying to predict what might happen, while others hurriedly placed sandbags near their doors.

In the end, San Francisquito Creek overflowed in multiple locations, flooding streets and closing some roads in Palo Alto, East Palo Alto and Menlo Park — but the significant damage to local homes that occurred in 1998 was averted as waters began to recede in the early afternoon.

The Pope-Chaucer Bridge, which spans the San Francisquito Creek between Palo Alto and Menlo Park, was of particular concern Saturday.

According to Palo Alto's creek monitor, the water levels at the creek were exceeding 21 feet at about 10:40 a.m., nearing the bridge's 24-foot capacity. City officials issued a warning shortly after 10 a.m. that flooding at the bridge was likely within 30 minutes. They also noted that minor flooding was occurring at Seneca and Hale Streets near the creek.

The city's announcement urged residents near the creek to take protective actions, including placing sandbags near the entrances to their homes, raising valuables from low to high places in their homes and making sure vehicles are ready for possible evacuation.

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By 10:48 a.m., the roiling, muddy water escaped the creekbed in some spots, rushing down the side streets onto University Avenue and crossing onto Crescent Drive in Crescent Park. The water reached the top of the curbs and approached the sidewalks as it rose up driveway aprons.

Palo Alto Mayor Pat Burt visited the areas around the creek Saturday and said the water went over the banks at numerous places. These breaches, however, were part of the reason the creek did not overflow at the bridge.

One resident takes advantage of the Dec. 31, 2022, street flooding in Palo Alto's Crescent Park neighborhood to do a little surfing. The heavy rains caused the San Francisquito Creek to overflow its banks in spots. Photo courtesy Michele Lew.

One house, at the corner of Chaucer Street and Palo Alto Avenue, had water pouring into its garage and backyard, he said. Otherwise, the properties in the area had generally avoided damage, he said.

"It looks like we had significant street flooding but limited impact on homes," Burt said.

When he returned to the Pope-Chaucer Bridge later in the morning, the water levels had dropped somewhat. By 12:30 p.m., the creek waters around the bridge had receded by about 18 inches, Burt said. He noted, however, that water levels were also high near the Woodland Avenue area in East Palo Alto.

Crews pull debris from the San Francisquito Creek at the Pope-Chaucer bridge on Dec. 31, 2022, after heavy rains pouring down from the mountain watershed threatened to overflow the creek's banks. Video courtesy Webster Lincoln.

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"Downstream, it's still running really heavily and also still overtopping some places, even as it has receded at Pope-Chaucer," he said at around noon.

At the Newell Bridge, which is downstream from the Pope-Chaucer near the Palo Alto and East Palo Alto border, fast-moving water rose to within a foot of the bottom of the bridge. Emergency crews blocked Woodland Avenue at University and removed large chunks of debris with grappling hooks that threatened to dam up the University Avenue Bridge.

Those efforts didn't stop the creek from overflowing in spots in the section between the Newell and University bridges. Parts of Woodland Avenue flooded, inundating yards.

East Palo Alto flooding

At one East Palo Alto residence, water threatened to enter a home. The residents moved a car out of the garage to higher ground and were piling sandbags at the front door. The water was flooding the rear yard where several cars were parked under a carport.

"This hasn't happened for years. The landlord is bringing more sandbags," Juan Cuevas said, as he stood in the flooding yard.

Nearby, a driver in a red pickup truck stopped in the road, tentative about driving through water that had covered the roadway on Woodland. Eventually, the truck driver and others slowly made their way across the streaming current.

Orange caution cones blocked University Avenue at Woodland to prevent drivers heading west from entering the area. Cars traveling east were allowed to pass through to clear the roadway, an East Palo Alto police officer said.

At Manhattan Avenue in East Palo Alto, the road was well flooded, as were several side streets all the way to the West Bayshore Road at the U.S. Highway 101 sound wall.

Flood water pools along West Crescent Drive in Palo Alto during heavy rainfall Saturday. Photo by Sue Dremann.

East Palo Alto resident Webster Lincoln reported that an underground parking structure at the Woodland Apartments had flooded, where cars were up to their wheel wells in water. Photographs that he took showed a foot or more of water lapping at the fronts of a bank of washing machines and filling them halfway inside.

Faring better in Menlo Park

Crews in Palo Alto were removing the debris blocking the Pope-Chaucer Bridge on Saturday afternoon. Courtesy Webster Lincoln.

The Menlo Park side of Woodland had fared better at that point and was without flooding near the Pope-Chaucer Bridge, but residents said the creek flooded streets in spots just upstream of the bridge.

Hedeff Essaid said the water ran down Pope Street and drained down to Laurel Avenue. The water had retreated by 11:30 a.m. and the level had receded by about a foot. Still, an enormous debris field of logs, branches, trash and even a kitchen sink had gotten jammed up at the bridge.

Essaid, a hydrologist, was philosophical: "We have dry years and we have wet years. We have to be prepared for both," she said.

Work is planned on two bridges

Flood water at Newell Bridge in Palo Alto. Photo by Sue Dremann.

The neighborhoods around the Pope-Chaucer Bridge experienced severe flooding in February 1998, when a storm caused the creek to overflow and water to inundate area homes. Since then, the San Francisquito Creek Joint Powers Authority, which includes elected officials from Palo Alto, East Palo Alto, Menlo Park and the two water districts on either side of the county line, has been working on plans to improve flood protection.

These include replacing both the flood-prone Pope-Chaucer Bridge and the Newell Street Bridge, which is further downstream.

The agency's current plans call for replacing the Newell Street Bridge in 2024 and the Pope-Chaucer Bridge in 2025.

The San Francisquito Creek Joint Powers Authority has completed Phase 1 of the flood protection project, which widened the West Bayshore overpass at Highway 101, added flood walls, a reconfigured channel and protective berms in the creek and flood channel east of the freeway, held up well as the water shot down the creek past East Palo Alto's Gardens neighborhood. The work likely preserved an entire neighborhood that would likely have experienced serious flooding in the current storm.

Residents watch as water reaches the top of the banks near the Pope-Chaucer bridge on Saturday morning. Photo courtesy of Pat Burt

The Gardens neighborhood has experienced significant flooding in the past, when city officials feared that a major storm could cause a Hurricane Katrina-like disaster event with loss of life. In 2012, the earthen levees were undermined in spots, which could have caused a failure. On Saturday afternoon, the neighborhood remained dry.

Saturday's storm led to numerous street closures. Palo Alto officials said the El Camino Real underpass at University Avenue was flooded and not passable.

The city also closed off sections of Palo Alto Avenue, between Chaucer and Seneca and a section of Quarry Avenue near El Camino Real. It had also temporarily closed off sections of University Avenue, between Middlefield Road and Woodland Avenue, and of Palo Alto Avenue, between Chaucer and Seneca Streets, but reopened them shortly before 1 p.m., according to an announcement from the city.

Minor flooding was also reported at 11:45 a.m. at portions of Hamilton Avenue, Guinda Street, Pitman Avenue and Martin Avenue.

Menlo Park police issued an advisory at 4:21 p.m. warning that southbound Middlefield Road at Survey Lane was completely flooded and shut down. Eastbound Marsh Road was reported closed at Haven Avenue.

Another storm is brewing

On Sunday, Jan. 1, Palo Alto administrators predicted that a larger storm could hit the Bay Area on Wednesday. On its website, the city urged residents to prepare for the next storm and provided details on getting sandbags, cleaning out storm drains and signing up for emergency alerts.

The city of Palo Alto has sandbags available at the Palo Alto Airport, 1925 Embarcadero Road; the Rinconada Tennis Courts at the corner of Newell Road and Hopkins Avenue; and at Mitchell Park, 600 East Meadow Drive. East Palo Alto has sandbags available for pickup at 1925 Embarcadero Road, located in Palo Alto at the airport. The nonprofit Youth Community Service has a launched an effort to get volunteers of all ages to help with filling sandbags.

For residents whose homes were flooded and damaged by the Dec. 31 weather, the city of Palo Alto posted on its website that help is available. To access assistance, email the city at [email protected] and include the following details: first name, last name, email address, mobile phone number, whether you have flood insurance, whether water got inside your home, and the level of damage to your residence. The city is establishing a process to offer three nights of hotel accommodations at select hotels for those confirmed to be flooded out of their homes.

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Flooding in Palo Alto, Menlo Park as water levels at Pope-Chaucer Bridge near capacity

San Francisquito Creek also overflows in East Palo Alto

by Gennady Sheyner and Sue Dremann / Palo Alto Weekly

Uploaded: Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 11:00 am
Updated: Sun, Jan 1, 2023, 3:07 pm

Nervous Palo Alto, Menlo Park and East Palo Alto residents gathered at the historically troublesome San Francisquito Creek on Saturday morning as the heavy rains of the most recent storm caused water levels to rise rapidly and threaten to overflow the creek's banks. Some neighbors kept a close eye on data from online creek monitoring systems, trying to predict what might happen, while others hurriedly placed sandbags near their doors.

In the end, San Francisquito Creek overflowed in multiple locations, flooding streets and closing some roads in Palo Alto, East Palo Alto and Menlo Park — but the significant damage to local homes that occurred in 1998 was averted as waters began to recede in the early afternoon.

The Pope-Chaucer Bridge, which spans the San Francisquito Creek between Palo Alto and Menlo Park, was of particular concern Saturday.

According to Palo Alto's creek monitor, the water levels at the creek were exceeding 21 feet at about 10:40 a.m., nearing the bridge's 24-foot capacity. City officials issued a warning shortly after 10 a.m. that flooding at the bridge was likely within 30 minutes. They also noted that minor flooding was occurring at Seneca and Hale Streets near the creek.

The city's announcement urged residents near the creek to take protective actions, including placing sandbags near the entrances to their homes, raising valuables from low to high places in their homes and making sure vehicles are ready for possible evacuation.

By 10:48 a.m., the roiling, muddy water escaped the creekbed in some spots, rushing down the side streets onto University Avenue and crossing onto Crescent Drive in Crescent Park. The water reached the top of the curbs and approached the sidewalks as it rose up driveway aprons.

Palo Alto Mayor Pat Burt visited the areas around the creek Saturday and said the water went over the banks at numerous places. These breaches, however, were part of the reason the creek did not overflow at the bridge.

One house, at the corner of Chaucer Street and Palo Alto Avenue, had water pouring into its garage and backyard, he said. Otherwise, the properties in the area had generally avoided damage, he said.

"It looks like we had significant street flooding but limited impact on homes," Burt said.

When he returned to the Pope-Chaucer Bridge later in the morning, the water levels had dropped somewhat. By 12:30 p.m., the creek waters around the bridge had receded by about 18 inches, Burt said. He noted, however, that water levels were also high near the Woodland Avenue area in East Palo Alto.

"Downstream, it's still running really heavily and also still overtopping some places, even as it has receded at Pope-Chaucer," he said at around noon.

At the Newell Bridge, which is downstream from the Pope-Chaucer near the Palo Alto and East Palo Alto border, fast-moving water rose to within a foot of the bottom of the bridge. Emergency crews blocked Woodland Avenue at University and removed large chunks of debris with grappling hooks that threatened to dam up the University Avenue Bridge.

Those efforts didn't stop the creek from overflowing in spots in the section between the Newell and University bridges. Parts of Woodland Avenue flooded, inundating yards.

East Palo Alto flooding

At one East Palo Alto residence, water threatened to enter a home. The residents moved a car out of the garage to higher ground and were piling sandbags at the front door. The water was flooding the rear yard where several cars were parked under a carport.

"This hasn't happened for years. The landlord is bringing more sandbags," Juan Cuevas said, as he stood in the flooding yard.

Nearby, a driver in a red pickup truck stopped in the road, tentative about driving through water that had covered the roadway on Woodland. Eventually, the truck driver and others slowly made their way across the streaming current.

Orange caution cones blocked University Avenue at Woodland to prevent drivers heading west from entering the area. Cars traveling east were allowed to pass through to clear the roadway, an East Palo Alto police officer said.

At Manhattan Avenue in East Palo Alto, the road was well flooded, as were several side streets all the way to the West Bayshore Road at the U.S. Highway 101 sound wall.

East Palo Alto resident Webster Lincoln reported that an underground parking structure at the Woodland Apartments had flooded, where cars were up to their wheel wells in water. Photographs that he took showed a foot or more of water lapping at the fronts of a bank of washing machines and filling them halfway inside.

Faring better in Menlo Park

The Menlo Park side of Woodland had fared better at that point and was without flooding near the Pope-Chaucer Bridge, but residents said the creek flooded streets in spots just upstream of the bridge.

Hedeff Essaid said the water ran down Pope Street and drained down to Laurel Avenue. The water had retreated by 11:30 a.m. and the level had receded by about a foot. Still, an enormous debris field of logs, branches, trash and even a kitchen sink had gotten jammed up at the bridge.

Essaid, a hydrologist, was philosophical: "We have dry years and we have wet years. We have to be prepared for both," she said.

Work is planned on two bridges

The neighborhoods around the Pope-Chaucer Bridge experienced severe flooding in February 1998, when a storm caused the creek to overflow and water to inundate area homes. Since then, the San Francisquito Creek Joint Powers Authority, which includes elected officials from Palo Alto, East Palo Alto, Menlo Park and the two water districts on either side of the county line, has been working on plans to improve flood protection.

These include replacing both the flood-prone Pope-Chaucer Bridge and the Newell Street Bridge, which is further downstream.

The agency's current plans call for replacing the Newell Street Bridge in 2024 and the Pope-Chaucer Bridge in 2025.

The San Francisquito Creek Joint Powers Authority has completed Phase 1 of the flood protection project, which widened the West Bayshore overpass at Highway 101, added flood walls, a reconfigured channel and protective berms in the creek and flood channel east of the freeway, held up well as the water shot down the creek past East Palo Alto's Gardens neighborhood. The work likely preserved an entire neighborhood that would likely have experienced serious flooding in the current storm.

The Gardens neighborhood has experienced significant flooding in the past, when city officials feared that a major storm could cause a Hurricane Katrina-like disaster event with loss of life. In 2012, the earthen levees were undermined in spots, which could have caused a failure. On Saturday afternoon, the neighborhood remained dry.

Saturday's storm led to numerous street closures. Palo Alto officials said the El Camino Real underpass at University Avenue was flooded and not passable.

The city also closed off sections of Palo Alto Avenue, between Chaucer and Seneca and a section of Quarry Avenue near El Camino Real. It had also temporarily closed off sections of University Avenue, between Middlefield Road and Woodland Avenue, and of Palo Alto Avenue, between Chaucer and Seneca Streets, but reopened them shortly before 1 p.m., according to an announcement from the city.

Minor flooding was also reported at 11:45 a.m. at portions of Hamilton Avenue, Guinda Street, Pitman Avenue and Martin Avenue.

Menlo Park police issued an advisory at 4:21 p.m. warning that southbound Middlefield Road at Survey Lane was completely flooded and shut down. Eastbound Marsh Road was reported closed at Haven Avenue.

Another storm is brewing

On Sunday, Jan. 1, Palo Alto administrators predicted that a larger storm could hit the Bay Area on Wednesday. On its website, the city urged residents to prepare for the next storm and provided details on getting sandbags, cleaning out storm drains and signing up for emergency alerts.

The city of Palo Alto has sandbags available at the Palo Alto Airport, 1925 Embarcadero Road; the Rinconada Tennis Courts at the corner of Newell Road and Hopkins Avenue; and at Mitchell Park, 600 East Meadow Drive. East Palo Alto has sandbags available for pickup at 1925 Embarcadero Road, located in Palo Alto at the airport. The nonprofit Youth Community Service has a launched an effort to get volunteers of all ages to help with filling sandbags.

For residents whose homes were flooded and damaged by the Dec. 31 weather, the city of Palo Alto posted on its website that help is available. To access assistance, email the city at [email protected] and include the following details: first name, last name, email address, mobile phone number, whether you have flood insurance, whether water got inside your home, and the level of damage to your residence. The city is establishing a process to offer three nights of hotel accommodations at select hotels for those confirmed to be flooded out of their homes.

Comments

MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:09 am
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:09 am

There should be a "Local Emergency" category. And there should be a red banner on the front page whenever one occurs. The rain does not plan to stop soon. If you need to bug out, check caltrans website for safe areas to travel to. Call the caltran road number at 1-800-427-7623 . Or check their website for road information that has maps that show dangerous roads. Web Link


Bayes
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:27 am
Bayes, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:27 am

The creek camera is actually W. Bayshore.

Hope everyone is staying safe.


ReallyLiveHere
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Fairmeadow
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:34 am
ReallyLiveHere, Fairmeadow
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:34 am

This map shows what areas are at risk of flooding (and to what depth) if the banks are overtopped

Web Link


Gennady Sheyner
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Palo Alto Weekly staff writer
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:39 am
Gennady Sheyner, Palo Alto Weekly staff writer
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:39 am

Thanks, @Bayes. Sorry for the caption error.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:54 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 11:54 am

People on the Crescent Park Neighborhood Assn who were monitoring the creek posted warnings and photos long before the city sent out warnings.


Lynne Henderson
Registered user
Mountain View
on Dec 31, 2022 at 1:30 pm
Lynne Henderson, Mountain View
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 1:30 pm

Thank you Weekly for the notice. I guess there's no emergency connection for flooding?

As a Palo Alto resident for 40 years, give or take, why am I not surprised that the Chaucer (who knew it was Pope-Chaucer?) bridge hasn't been fixed since the last disaster in 1998--although droughts may have made it easy to ignore. And the multi-jurisdiction issue probably made it harder to fix.

I just hope everyone can stay safe and dry --though I fear for the unhoused.

Happy New Year!


Native to the BAY
Registered user
Old Palo Alto
on Dec 31, 2022 at 1:33 pm
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 1:33 pm

@Myfeelz exactly right, again ! 9am this morning. Very dangerous conditions driving at this section of ECR, flash flooding ! And zero emergency service in sight. None. I was getting to work this morning in RWC. This "alert" story did not highlight that Palo Alto Avenue, ECR at El Camino Ball field/Soccer field and Stanford Shopping center at ECR was dangerously inundated with flood waters on all sides and corners. That ECR roadway was actually crumbling as traffic barreled through the water on ECR and Sand Hill Road. Not flashing lights, no sandbags holding the water back, no Stanford police, no PA police, no emergency vehicles or Cal Trans workers. Just crumbled ECR roadway with dips with loose gravel, rocks, tons of water and vehicles splashing there way through New Years Eve morning commute. Such is that the powers that be the joint powers listed in this article were absent and taking the day off from the atmospheric river weather warnings all over the news for days. So much passive aggressive local, state and 2 county infighting and broken partnerships and no communication between the joint group that it's a water logged broken infrastructure of nothing ever gets done. I was quite shocked. If I had not been late for work and driving cautiously, I would have taken a photo. My second thought: would uber rich shoppers be able to purchase there Gucci belts, bags, bangles today? It looks like downtown Oroville in Feb 2017. Also the article did not warn families to keep children away from the rising creek or anywhere near the floods -- anyone could get swept away. Dumb. A childhood friend at 3 years of age drowned during a rain break, in a very high, fast moving Anselmo Creek when reaching for his ball. Waterways like these fill in minutes, not hours. I have never gotten over his death. This rising water, is a flash flood within a creek bed and the area should be avoided. Seriously Genedy you can do better.


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Dec 31, 2022 at 1:47 pm
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 1:47 pm

@Native, be careful out there.

On the CalTrans website Web Link , under Quick Map Options, click on the "road conditions" tab and click ALL of the boxes. If it doesn't immediate change the view, refresh with those boxes checked. It doesn't show much but it does show where NOT to head if you are trying to leave the area. If you want specific local info, the City updated their website a couple of hours ago. Flood is a quickly evolving situation, but this will give a basic rundown of what it was like 2 hours ago: Web Link That's the city of PA.


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Dec 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm

This caltrans also has cameras in many locations. If it's just a red camera with a "minus" sign on it, it only shows a photo taken within the last couple of minutes. If it has a full running webam, it's a red sign with a plus sign. Click it to open, and then click in the lower left corner to go live.

Web Link


mickie winkler
Registered user
Downtown North
on Dec 31, 2022 at 2:22 pm
mickie winkler, Downtown North
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 2:22 pm

Here's the link you need showing water levels at all the bridges.
Web Link
For more than a decade bridge replacement at Chaucer has been debated and debated. Prefab bridges should be considered for speed of replacement, lack of impact time, low cost and even good looks.


Chris C.
Registered user
Community Center
on Dec 31, 2022 at 2:45 pm
Chris C., Community Center
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 2:45 pm

I took a bunch of photos and videos of both the Newell and Chaucer bridge as it was approaching flooding: Web Link

(There are also some pics of Duveneck in there, where the flooding got right up to the front door of the main office.)

When I was there the water escaped the banks of the creek and started going up the street not at the Chaucer bridge, but at the water pumping station about 200' upstream of the bridge. I've got photos of the flow just starting in that album. Dunno if it spilled over at other locations too, as I got out of there when that started happening.

I'm curious if any of the flows went over into the Menlo Park or East Palo Alto side -- are our neighbours doing okay?


StephenM
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Dec 31, 2022 at 3:10 pm
StephenM, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 3:10 pm

Chris C: Great photos! Thanks.


Brian1
Registered user
another community
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:01 pm
Brian1, another community
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:01 pm

Many Years ago they used to take bulldozers down into the Creek and clean out the small trees and shrubs and other things that were growing down there that would impede the water flow. They stopped doing that and now there are large trees growing in the creek that act to slow the water down and debris catches on them forming small dams backing up the water to the point where it's floodng over the sides.

Also at the Pope/Chaucer bridge when the water would get that high they would be pulling the debris out so it didn't block the water. I swung by a couple of times this morning and they were just letting the debris pile up more and more including a refrigerator and many large tree branches and tree trunks . It just seemed to be making the problem worse. I'm curious why Palo Alto and Menlo Park crews weren't out there at the 1st sign to trouble taking care of that?


Is It Worth Walking Down
Registered user
Palo Verde School
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:20 pm
Is It Worth Walking Down, Palo Verde School
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:20 pm

25 years ago the Chaucer Street bridge was clearly identified as a major cause of San Francisquito Creek jumping it's banks and doing millions of dollars of damage to properties in Menlo Park and Palo Alto.

It is unconscionable and a complete failure of government that this bridge has yet to be replaced.

You guys had ONE job...


Local Resident
Registered user
Community Center
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:44 pm
Local Resident, Community Center
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:44 pm

According to city staff ghe monitor at Opie Chaucer is broken


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:55 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 4:55 pm

At least Menlo Park has its act together and has sent me 2 alerts that they've closed down Middlefield near Willow and just now Marsh Road.

Good for them, especially since I never subscribed to their list.


Resident 1-Adobe Meadows
Registered user
Adobe-Meadow
on Dec 31, 2022 at 8:19 pm
Resident 1-Adobe Meadows, Adobe-Meadow
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 8:19 pm

The Anderson Dam was closed by the federal government due to possibe earthquake issues - so they say. One wonders what is happening in Morgan Hill right now and what the run-off is into San Jose.

We have a dam that is over 100 years old at the top of the SF Creek that has been discussed forever. We are dealing with issues at the bottom of that problem dam but are unclear on what is happening at the top of the problem dam on SU property.

We need an article on the whole creek from top to bottom to clarify where we need to fix problems. Any one who has hiked the dish from the backside can see trees in the resulting creek. Can the city and SU please coordinate some upgrades from top to bottom. This seems to be another example where everyone is deferring to FEMA or some other insurance company to pay for the clean up here.


mjh
Registered user
College Terrace
on Dec 31, 2022 at 8:30 pm
mjh, College Terrace
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 8:30 pm

For better or worse, besides Palo Alto and Menlo Park, management of the creek is shared by and comes under the jurisdiction of several other regional/state authorities which has made for a tortured history of flood management.

One intractable problem has been that a dam was built across the upper creek on Stanford land (Jasper Ridge) causing what was a historical flood plain behind the dam to gradually silt up and no longer function as an area that could absorb much of the water flooding down the creek from the mountains during heavy rains. As a result, this now causes much worse periodic flooding downstream in Menlo Park, Palo Alto, and East Palo Alto.

After the creek’s last really serious flooding some twenty years ago, my understanding was that Stanford was required to remove the dam and restore the upstream flood plain. Which would make a big difference in protecting downstream Menlo Park, Palo Alto, and East Palo Alto, from flooding.

However, my understanding also is that over the last twenty plus years Stanford has been dragging its feet in complying. Though I think they finally built the fish ladder by the dam to allow trout to travel upstream to their historical spawning areas once again. If anyone has more accurate information please correct me.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Dec 31, 2022 at 8:43 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Dec 31, 2022 at 8:43 pm

Stanford also had a dam in Stanford Weekend Acres (Menlo Park) tin the back of a friend's property. She -- a Stanford alum -- fought with them for years to get it removed and ended up suing them for anong oither things damage to her property,

When they finally removed it, they did something outrageous like bill claim their payment was something like rental income which shoowed up on her taxes on which she had to pay penalties and then sue them again.

The whole nonsense with the dam went on for at least 10 years and she vowed to never show up at another reunion if that's how Stanford treated its alims.


Norman Beamer
Registered user
Crescent Park
on Jan 1, 2023 at 4:58 am
Norman Beamer, Crescent Park
Registered user
on Jan 1, 2023 at 4:58 am

Absolutely not true that the Searsville dam somehow compromised any former floodplain. The floodplain is and for thousands of years has been downstream of the dam location.


MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Jan 1, 2023 at 8:04 am
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Jan 1, 2023 at 8:04 am

@Online Name, I can't help but wonder if Stanford's recently published dirty words list is a pre-emptive strike against people like your friend. I haven't figured it out yet but it could go something like this. A complaint of any kind gets lodged against them. Let's say the complaint contains 3 of their recently-judged to be offensive words. The words could be innocuous, within the context. But Stanford could cross complain by saying they are using dirty words against us and we compel the court to order them to cease and desist and dismiss their claim. Then POOF. Complaint goes away. It would still work even though they apologized for making "American" a dirty word. They didn't apologize for publishing. It should be branded, and trademarked "Complaint Be Gone". The words would have to become known to everyone in the world, and what better way to get free advertising than feeding it to every aggregator known to mankind? I am curious, did your friend ever recover her losses from the fiasco?


Jerry
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 1, 2023 at 9:46 am
Jerry, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Jan 1, 2023 at 9:46 am

I'll withhold my usual biting sarcasm for now but it suffices to say that nothing was learned from the 1998 floods.

I remember St. Francis Drive being covered in 2-3 feet of water because the storm drains on Embarcadero were not cleaned out prior to that storm. The Embarcadero underpass at Alma is a death waiting to happen.

More rain is expected on Wednesday and Thursday. Hopefully city crews are out today trying to shore things up. Yes, it's a force majeure but more can be done than providing a pile of sand and burlap bags to residents.


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jan 1, 2023 at 9:47 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 9:47 am

@Norman Beamer, I wasn't suggesting a relationship between that and the recent flooding at Stanford Weekend Acres as depicted in videos on NextDoor and elsewhere.

@MyFeelz, hah!! You may be right, especially since one of the their dirty words was "landlord" and since there's been speculation about whether the NewsSpeak correct usage is now LandPerson, LandPeer or LandKomrade you're surely right.

They must have heard my friend's reaction when I called to read her Stabnford's incredibly arrogant quote about the Redwood City residents who had the temerity to sue Stanford to stop their 24/7 construction that had long been interfering with their sleep.


Native to the BAY
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Old Palo Alto
on Jan 1, 2023 at 10:37 am
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 10:37 am

@MyFeelz. The most pathetic part. City of PA is critically underprepared, under-qualified for emergency management, over paid and cresting from the weight of its own ineptitude .


Julian Gómez
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Midtown
on Jan 1, 2023 at 1:12 pm
Julian Gómez, Midtown
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 1:12 pm

@Native to the BAY
The city will hire a consultant to study your statement.


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jan 1, 2023 at 1:31 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 1:31 pm

@Native to the BAY
The city will hire a consultant to study your statement."

Hah! And that consultant -- like all other city consultants WE pay for -- will produce a wide-margin report explaining how wrong you are and then hire another consultant to produce a 3-D model to prove it.

Then residents will be forced to hire their / our own consultants to show that the 3-D model was based on surveys conducted at 3AM.

Stay tuned for the task forces and citizen advisory committees which will meet at approved hotels for which ..

"The City has established a process to offer three nights of hotel accommodations at select hotels for those who we confirm have been displaced from their homes as a result of flooding. Please use the same email above to request accommodations."

Lather, rinse, repeat. SO glad we passed both the business tax and the utility tranfer tax giving them the right to keep "overcharging" us while raising our rates and paying themselves $400K salaries.


Native to the BAY
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Old Palo Alto
on Jan 1, 2023 at 1:52 pm
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 1:52 pm

The CC directs City Staff, City Staff pays consultants to answer to its citizenry for the most basic of responsibilities.

Where was our public city emergency preparedness communication warnings for residents prior to this storm, flash flood ? A: Mr. Mayor. Let me ask our consultants and I'll have to get back to you on that -- Were their even enough sand at the stations, were there even bags? Was Mayor Burt out there helping fill bags of sand for distress buisness' and residents ? He poses for pictures holding a shovel, yet can't use one to help his city stay safe.

Still livid about Shikada placing a curfew on top of a COVID curfew in May of 2020 during Black Lives Matter protests in the City.

Consultants are the liable intermediaries between highest paid city managers and sitting CC. Yet. What's our recourse as citizens?


MyFeelz
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another community
on Jan 1, 2023 at 4:39 pm
MyFeelz, another community
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 4:39 pm

@Online Name I was writing almost an identical post to your tongue in cheek recital of how our local politics works (or doesn't work, as the case may be). Then got called away by a friend in Tahoe who says it is really a sheet show and I'm so glad we got rain instead of snow, but the snow is going to come in the form of early thaw. So, perhaps we need to get a consultant to conduct an emergency study as to where to put all of the water.

@Native, I think in most places the natural recourse is the voting machine. But, in this case, when so many of the positions are merely musical chairs, people can be "selected" if they don't get "elected". All it takes is one little s to change the whole picture on the box of puzzle pieces. Then we wait until the vote comes around again and as Online Name pointed out, "lather, rinse, repeat". Meanwhile the patience bleeds out. The CC answers mostly to the SU wearing the red clown suit -- the impenetrable, indefatigable, immense great and powerful Oz. Oh. Hm. Wrong movie. I know you know what I mean! I had such high hopes for turning over a new leaf with the new year, but yesterday's lack of information was like ... would I rather try to find out if I'm going to get flooded, or soak black-eyed peas?


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jan 1, 2023 at 5:26 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 5:26 pm

" So, perhaps we need to get a consultant to conduct an emergency study as to where to put all of the water."

And where there's can find sand for the sandbags since there might be more storms coming.

Seriously, high praise for Vice Mayor Kou and her husband who were out filling empty sandbags, checking on people. surveying which stations had sands and sandbags, which sandbag stations kept running out and -- most important -- talking to people to learn that the city's web site doesn't even tell people they have to bring their own shovels.

"The Hopkins sandbag station kept running out of pre-filled sandbags, but it also did not have bags and sand. The city website does not update on the status of these sandbag stations, provide alternatives and does not let people know that they will have to bring their own shovels to fill the sandbags. There's another storm expected Jan. 4-5th."

Thanks, Vice Mayor Kou for realizing those pesky details mattter.

By the way, still waiting to hear from our City ananager, Utility director etc.


Annette
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College Terrace
on Jan 1, 2023 at 7:07 pm
Annette, College Terrace
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on Jan 1, 2023 at 7:07 pm

Based on media and resident reports, it appears Palo Alto did not heed the lessons learned from the 1998 flood and was not adequately prepared for this storm. I am glad that there were two members of Council, Vice Mayor Kou and Mayor Burt, out there in "boots on the ground" mode b/c they can provide first hand reports of what they saw. Hopefully they will insist on more preventive work, starting immediately, so that the front line workers who go out during and after storms can focus on the problems that could not be anticipated.


mjh
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College Terrace
on Jan 2, 2023 at 5:49 pm
mjh, College Terrace
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on Jan 2, 2023 at 5:49 pm

While our mayor, Pat Burt, and vice mayor, Lydia Kou, are actively involved providing a visible leadership role, has our city manager, Ed Shikado, also been seen actively involved in a “boots on theground” leadership role?


Online Name
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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jan 2, 2023 at 5:59 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jan 2, 2023 at 5:59 pm

@mjh, excellent question. I'm also wondering about his huge costly ($3M=) Cmmunications Team that's not providing current and useful information that people need during disasters like this.

Maybe they need some training in "crisis communications" other than stonewalling -- something Diana Diamond and other media figures complained about literally for years.


Bystander
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 2, 2023 at 7:49 pm
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
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on Jan 2, 2023 at 7:49 pm

I would suggest we need a dedicated "emergency contact" page on the website, or perhaps an Emergency Palo Alto Facebook group where we can report issues, comment on how things are progressing, or offer help in an emergency.

Nextdoor has been matching people who need sandbags with people willing to fill sandbags. Many people didn't know that they needed to bring their own shovels. Some needed help with flooded homes and others had wet vacs and offered to help. Some have shown pictures of dangerous trees or almost flooding.

It is good that Nextdoor is providing a service, but couldn't the City monitor these groups or set up a similar chat service in times of emergency?


Native to the BAY
Registered user
Old Palo Alto
on Jan 3, 2023 at 1:24 pm
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
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on Jan 3, 2023 at 1:24 pm

The City top earners gave themselves a 12% pay raise on December 19. Then fled the Hall for their Holiday along with the private consultants and creek monitors . The rest of us residents, left to sink or swim during a flood event which had a much pre-publicized storm warning, days prior to Dec 31st storm.

Not enough city owned shovels or sand or bags to distribute for emergency preparedness ? It's like a TP and hand sanitizer shortage of March 2020 we dramatically faced. Maybe time dig out the City stock of "golden" shovels needed more for actual an life threatening emergency uses than for cliche' photo ops with Mayor Burt and the like.

Wait. Post Bomb Cyclone: The City Manager office will whine that the city trucks are out of service fuel or don't have access to a reliable electric grid needed for the EV chargers for city owned hybrid emergency service fleet to be out physically monitoring the storm rather than hiding behind a computer interface.

FYI : Without proof of residency, the traditionally unhoused are not allowed to get sandbags to place around their bedrolls, tents or cardboard mattress so as not to drown. Shameless !


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