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Fauci: 'The country still has a long way to go to be safe'

In town hall meeting on COVID-19, president's chief medical adviser says Americans' actions could prevent winter surge

Congresswoman Anna Eshoo, left, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, answer questions about COVID-19 during a virtual town meeting on Nov. 9, 2021. Screenshot courtesy office of Rep. Anna Eshoo via Zoom.

Despite millions of vaccine doses administered across the country, the COVID-19 threat is still real, Dr. Anthony Fauci said during a virtual town hall meeting on Tuesday night.

The country still has 70,000 new infections per day; 62 million people ages 12 and older who are eligible to be vaccinated still have not gotten their shots. The number doesn't include the latest eligible group of 5- to-11-year-olds, he said.

"We're vulnerable. We could get a surge unless we get more people vaccinated," said Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden.

Fauci spoke of the ongoing threat as well as about vaccines, new drugs on the horizon and the post-pandemic future during the hourlong event, which was hosted and moderated by Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Palo Alto.

Eshoo, who chairs the House subcommittee on health, presented Fauci with audience questions about all sides of the pandemic, including the overall pandemic, long COVID, and childhood vaccinations.

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With the holiday season kicking off with Thanksgiving in about two weeks, the first question on many minds was whether it is safe to gather inside.

"Clearly, if you are fully vaccinated, you can enjoy the holiday with your children, grandchildren and families," Fauci said.

But for people who have had just one shot out of the recommended two, the risk is "obviously present" although diminished, he said. People who have had just one shot should take a rapid COVID-19 test before they gather with loved ones to minimize infection, he said.

The country still has a long way to go to be safe. Among people of all ages, only 58% have been fully vaccinated; 67% have received one dose. Of those who are 12 and older, 68% are fully vaccinated and 79% have had only one dose, he said.

Not getting vaccinated is "inexcusable," Fauci said. The vaccines are a very effective tool to control the virus.

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He recommended every eligible person get a booster shot. Studies show the booster shots greatly improve immunity against the virus. Protection from the initial series of shots begins to wane in the months afterward. People who have had COVID-19 infections and who later received the complete vaccination regimen should also still get the booster shot because of waning immunity months later and the possibility of being reinfected, he said.

Currently, only people ages 65 and older or those who have medical conditions that make them vulnerable to serious illness can receive a booster shot. Drugmaker Pfizer submitted data to the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday for an emergency use authorization of booster shots for anyone ages 18 and older, he noted.

Children ages 5 to 11 who are now receiving their initial vaccinations will also likely need booster shots, but studies on that are still underway, he said. Although vaccine doses for that age group are only one-third the dose of an adult vaccine, Fauci said that doesn't decrease the vaccine's efficacy. The children are receiving reduced doses because they are smaller, he said.

Eshoo noted that Lucile Packard Children's Hospital Stanford is among the facilities doing clinical trials using the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for children.

"The clinical trials done in children are quite gratifying," Fauci said.

In 5- to-11-year-olds, it is 91% effective in preventing symptomatic disease. In children ages 12 to 15, the efficacy is close to 100%. In both age groups, the safety profile is also high, he said.

Trials are also underway for two younger age groups: children ages 2 to 5 years old and those ages six months to 2 years. The data will likely be available in the first quarter of 2022, he said.

Many people are concerned about what the government is doing about "long COVID," the mysterious syndrome that causes some people to remain sick with heart, lung and neurological problems, among other issues, for many months after their initial COVID-19 infection. When the House subcommittee on health held hearings on long COVID, patients said they couldn't work or attend school because of the debilitating effects, Eshoo noted.

"Patients that testified were deeply frustrated. None of the doctors came up with a diagnosis that (their symptoms) could be long COVID," she said.

Fauci said $1.15 billion has been dedicated to the National Institutes of Health to study long COVID and ways to recognize, intervene or prevent the syndrome after a COVID-19 infection. An estimated 10% to 30% of patients have persistent symptoms that measure in months or longer, including debilitating fatigue, tachycardia (a heart condition) and brain fog, he said.

The future of COVID-19

Fauci also touched on potential societal changes after the pandemic has ended. It's likely some people will continue to voluntarily wear masks long after the pandemic is over, he said.

For some, it may become the "new normal" during the winter months. Many people have noticed a marked decrease in influenza cases last winter and may think it's a good idea to continue wearing masks during the winter flu and cold season, he said.

Buildings, shops and restaurants are also likely to be more attentive to good air ventilation, which will probably become part of building codes, he said.

On the drug front, COVID-19 has kickstarted much research into antiviral medications. Merck's new oral medication, molnupiravir, in clinical trials diminished the likelihood of hospitalization and death among COVID-19 patients if given in the early course of the infection. The United Kingdom's medicine regulator approved its use on Nov. 4.

Last week, Pfizer announced that research on its promising oral drug called paxlovid, a protease inhibitor, showed 89% efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19 when given within three to five days of the initial symptoms, he said. The National Institutes of Health has also invested $3.2 billion in antiviral drugs to prevent the progression of the disease, Fauci said.

Eshoo called these developments "a blockbuster."

Asked what one piece of legislation he would like to write to change society, Fauci said he wouldn't rely on legislation. Funding for research and development and to rebuild the country's decimated public health system would go a long way to securing a safer future, he said.

But he did note one desirable change.

"I would love to change the divisiveness in our society. The common enemy is the virus and not each other," he said.

Asked about religious exemptions, Fauci added that when a health emergency of such magnitude is occurring, there can be exceptions from religious traditions. It's rare that religions have any belief or code preventing people from being vaccinated in the first place. Some people are going to say it's against their religious beliefs, but that might not be part of their established religion, he said.

Fauci trod directly but cautiously when offering an opinion on the subject.

"Sometimes the good of society has to supersede your own individual right to choose. There needs to be exceptions," he said. "It's going to be tough to sort out. It's going to be a contentious issue."

He noted that other countries, notably England, have again seen recent spikes in their COVID-19 cases because they pulled back on precautions such as mask requirements and they didn't have children vaccinated. Cases surged when the cold weather started and people began indoor activities. In countries where cases went up, they'd also pulled back on the vaccine push, he said.

"Here, it depends entirely on what we do" to prevent another surge this winter in the U.S., Fauci said. He encouraged anyone who was vaccinated six or more months ago to get a booster shot and those who haven't yet been vaccinated to receive their shots as soon as they can.

The $64,000 question is how to talk to people who are misinformed about the pandemic and vaccines, Eshoo noted. Fauci said U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy recently put out an online tool kit to address helping those who are vaccine hesitant.

"Many people have valid questions that have never been answered. There's a lot of disinformation and misinformation," he said, distinguishing between deliberate falsehoods and mistaken or inaccurate information.

"Be patient; don't be accusatory," Fauci said.

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Fauci: 'The country still has a long way to go to be safe'

In town hall meeting on COVID-19, president's chief medical adviser says Americans' actions could prevent winter surge

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Despite millions of vaccine doses administered across the country, the COVID-19 threat is still real, Dr. Anthony Fauci said during a virtual town hall meeting on Tuesday night.

The country still has 70,000 new infections per day; 62 million people ages 12 and older who are eligible to be vaccinated still have not gotten their shots. The number doesn't include the latest eligible group of 5- to-11-year-olds, he said.

"We're vulnerable. We could get a surge unless we get more people vaccinated," said Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden.

Fauci spoke of the ongoing threat as well as about vaccines, new drugs on the horizon and the post-pandemic future during the hourlong event, which was hosted and moderated by Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Palo Alto.

Eshoo, who chairs the House subcommittee on health, presented Fauci with audience questions about all sides of the pandemic, including the overall pandemic, long COVID, and childhood vaccinations.

With the holiday season kicking off with Thanksgiving in about two weeks, the first question on many minds was whether it is safe to gather inside.

"Clearly, if you are fully vaccinated, you can enjoy the holiday with your children, grandchildren and families," Fauci said.

But for people who have had just one shot out of the recommended two, the risk is "obviously present" although diminished, he said. People who have had just one shot should take a rapid COVID-19 test before they gather with loved ones to minimize infection, he said.

The country still has a long way to go to be safe. Among people of all ages, only 58% have been fully vaccinated; 67% have received one dose. Of those who are 12 and older, 68% are fully vaccinated and 79% have had only one dose, he said.

Not getting vaccinated is "inexcusable," Fauci said. The vaccines are a very effective tool to control the virus.

He recommended every eligible person get a booster shot. Studies show the booster shots greatly improve immunity against the virus. Protection from the initial series of shots begins to wane in the months afterward. People who have had COVID-19 infections and who later received the complete vaccination regimen should also still get the booster shot because of waning immunity months later and the possibility of being reinfected, he said.

Currently, only people ages 65 and older or those who have medical conditions that make them vulnerable to serious illness can receive a booster shot. Drugmaker Pfizer submitted data to the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday for an emergency use authorization of booster shots for anyone ages 18 and older, he noted.

Children ages 5 to 11 who are now receiving their initial vaccinations will also likely need booster shots, but studies on that are still underway, he said. Although vaccine doses for that age group are only one-third the dose of an adult vaccine, Fauci said that doesn't decrease the vaccine's efficacy. The children are receiving reduced doses because they are smaller, he said.

Eshoo noted that Lucile Packard Children's Hospital Stanford is among the facilities doing clinical trials using the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for children.

"The clinical trials done in children are quite gratifying," Fauci said.

In 5- to-11-year-olds, it is 91% effective in preventing symptomatic disease. In children ages 12 to 15, the efficacy is close to 100%. In both age groups, the safety profile is also high, he said.

Trials are also underway for two younger age groups: children ages 2 to 5 years old and those ages six months to 2 years. The data will likely be available in the first quarter of 2022, he said.

Many people are concerned about what the government is doing about "long COVID," the mysterious syndrome that causes some people to remain sick with heart, lung and neurological problems, among other issues, for many months after their initial COVID-19 infection. When the House subcommittee on health held hearings on long COVID, patients said they couldn't work or attend school because of the debilitating effects, Eshoo noted.

"Patients that testified were deeply frustrated. None of the doctors came up with a diagnosis that (their symptoms) could be long COVID," she said.

Fauci said $1.15 billion has been dedicated to the National Institutes of Health to study long COVID and ways to recognize, intervene or prevent the syndrome after a COVID-19 infection. An estimated 10% to 30% of patients have persistent symptoms that measure in months or longer, including debilitating fatigue, tachycardia (a heart condition) and brain fog, he said.

Fauci also touched on potential societal changes after the pandemic has ended. It's likely some people will continue to voluntarily wear masks long after the pandemic is over, he said.

For some, it may become the "new normal" during the winter months. Many people have noticed a marked decrease in influenza cases last winter and may think it's a good idea to continue wearing masks during the winter flu and cold season, he said.

Buildings, shops and restaurants are also likely to be more attentive to good air ventilation, which will probably become part of building codes, he said.

On the drug front, COVID-19 has kickstarted much research into antiviral medications. Merck's new oral medication, molnupiravir, in clinical trials diminished the likelihood of hospitalization and death among COVID-19 patients if given in the early course of the infection. The United Kingdom's medicine regulator approved its use on Nov. 4.

Last week, Pfizer announced that research on its promising oral drug called paxlovid, a protease inhibitor, showed 89% efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19 when given within three to five days of the initial symptoms, he said. The National Institutes of Health has also invested $3.2 billion in antiviral drugs to prevent the progression of the disease, Fauci said.

Eshoo called these developments "a blockbuster."

Asked what one piece of legislation he would like to write to change society, Fauci said he wouldn't rely on legislation. Funding for research and development and to rebuild the country's decimated public health system would go a long way to securing a safer future, he said.

But he did note one desirable change.

"I would love to change the divisiveness in our society. The common enemy is the virus and not each other," he said.

Asked about religious exemptions, Fauci added that when a health emergency of such magnitude is occurring, there can be exceptions from religious traditions. It's rare that religions have any belief or code preventing people from being vaccinated in the first place. Some people are going to say it's against their religious beliefs, but that might not be part of their established religion, he said.

Fauci trod directly but cautiously when offering an opinion on the subject.

"Sometimes the good of society has to supersede your own individual right to choose. There needs to be exceptions," he said. "It's going to be tough to sort out. It's going to be a contentious issue."

He noted that other countries, notably England, have again seen recent spikes in their COVID-19 cases because they pulled back on precautions such as mask requirements and they didn't have children vaccinated. Cases surged when the cold weather started and people began indoor activities. In countries where cases went up, they'd also pulled back on the vaccine push, he said.

"Here, it depends entirely on what we do" to prevent another surge this winter in the U.S., Fauci said. He encouraged anyone who was vaccinated six or more months ago to get a booster shot and those who haven't yet been vaccinated to receive their shots as soon as they can.

The $64,000 question is how to talk to people who are misinformed about the pandemic and vaccines, Eshoo noted. Fauci said U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy recently put out an online tool kit to address helping those who are vaccine hesitant.

"Many people have valid questions that have never been answered. There's a lot of disinformation and misinformation," he said, distinguishing between deliberate falsehoods and mistaken or inaccurate information.

"Be patient; don't be accusatory," Fauci said.

Comments

What Will They Do Next
Registered user
Old Palo Alto
on Nov 11, 2021 at 11:24 am
What Will They Do Next, Old Palo Alto
Registered user
on Nov 11, 2021 at 11:24 am
Jesse Bream
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm
Jesse Bream, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Nov 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm

Dr. Fauci's infectious disease credibility that that of Dr. Birx has gone down the tubes and should be taken with a grain of salt.

The coronavirus is here to stay and there is no cure, just containment.

That said, most people should still get fully vaccinated, avoid large indoor gatherings, and wear a face mask when warranted.

Post vaccination breakthrough infections have proven that there is no real immunity from Covid-19 and Americans still have a choice between endemic and containment.


Jane
Registered user
Ventura
on Nov 11, 2021 at 11:04 pm
Jane, Ventura
Registered user
on Nov 11, 2021 at 11:04 pm

We'll *never* be safe even if we were to make covid completely extinct. We need to take balanced measures to manage the whole spectrum of risk while living life and raising our children. We all got obsessed for a while and forgot this.

Immunization is miraculous these days and on top of simple easy hygiene (wash hands, stand back a little, stay home if sick) can mitigate a great deal of risk but it will never be zero. [Portion removed.]


Bystander
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 12, 2021 at 5:36 am
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Nov 12, 2021 at 5:36 am

He is still not mentioning that for healthy people this is not such a concern.

He has missed out on a good way to encourage people to lose weight and get more exercise and eat healthier foods. The people who are suffering most are those with other health conditions and many of those are lifestyle related.

Everything he says has to be weighed with the likelihood that for most of us we will recover from Covid the same as we recover from flu or pneumonia. These are also potential killers, but for healthy individuals we take the risks in our stride. The same has to be done about Covid. That doesn't mean we don't take the precautions, but it does mean that we have to stop living in fear. We can return to the majority of things we used to do, we just have to remain vigilant in a way that we had become negligent before.


PA Community Advocate
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2021 at 10:01 am
PA Community Advocate, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Nov 13, 2021 at 10:01 am

It’s shocking how there is no accountability for this guy. His predictions have largely been proven incorrect. His pandemic response has led the US to perform worse than 3rd world countries with far less resources.

There is unfortunately not that much difference across states that followed his guidelines (California) and those that he demonized (Florida).

Birx took the fall for all the mistakes, but somehow this bureaucrat got a pass. Is it sexism?

These Stanford and Harvard professors are spot on in their recent analysis: Web Link


PA Community Advocate
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2021 at 10:13 am
PA Community Advocate, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Nov 13, 2021 at 10:13 am

Also we are approaching 2 years of many politicians and media members treating every word this bureaucrat says as gospel with deadly results, absurd sacrifices by children, and unnecessary societal division in this country.

At what point do you say it’s time to pass the baton to other scientific leaders?


Anonymous
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 13, 2021 at 10:42 pm
Anonymous, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Nov 13, 2021 at 10:42 pm

What about getting the worrisome long Covid?


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