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As school boards resume in-person meetings, will the public still get to comment from home?

Pandemic 'silver lining': Residents' interactions with some boards increased as meetings went virtual

The Palo Alto Unified Board of Education holds a meeting on Aug. 24, 2021. The board has expressed interest in keeping remote commenting when they move back to in-person meetings. Screenshot via YouTube.

Students aren't the only ones headed back in-person this fall. Local school boards are also facing the prospect of returning, as a state executive order that facilitates remote meetings is set to expire.

But hanging in the balance as boards resume in-person meetings is the issue of whether the public can continue to speak to the board from home, via internet or phone, which many found more convenient than showing up at the boardroom.

Three local school boards, Palo Alto Unified among them, are either moving ahead with continuing remote access for now or have signaled that they support retaining it.

The Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District, on the other hand, is already requiring people to show up face-to-face if they want to participate in real time.

California's open meetings laws require that local legislative bodies, such as school boards, hear public comment but don't mandate the allowance of remote comments. During the pandemic, many boards started letting the public comment from home when meetings went virtual.

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Holding online meetings was made possible by a series of executive orders from Gov. Gavin Newsom that waived certain provisions in the state's open meetings laws. The most recent order is set to expire Sept. 30, at which point school boards will largely have to return to in-person meetings that are open to the public, though they can continue to give the public the option to participate remotely.

A bill currently working its way through the state legislature would require city councils and county boards of supervisors in jurisdictions with at least 250,000 people to allow the public to participate over the phone or internet until the end of 2023, though the law wouldn't apply to school boards.

Despite the lack of a legal requirement, the Palo Alto Unified, Los Altos and Mountain View Whisman boards have all expressed interest in keeping remote commenting when they move back to in-person meetings. Some districts may take a vote on retaining online participation, while others have indicated they may continue allowing it without taking formal action.

Currently, the Palo Alto Unified and Los Altos boards have been meeting in person, with the public participating over Zoom. The Mountain View Whisman board is still fully remote.

Palo Alto Board of Education President Shounak Dharap said that he can see his district continuing hybrid commenting for the "foreseeable future," adding that the district hasn't set any end date.

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"My personal preference would be to maintain remote access forever," Dharap said. "I think that would be a great upgrade to the way public meetings have been run historically."

The Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District board of trustees, however, has ended remote commenting, already resuming fully face-to-face meetings and requiring members of the public to attend in-person to address the board.

Some advocates for government transparency believe boards should strive to retain the option for the public to participate remotely. Remoting commenting was a silver lining of the pandemic, in many cases expanding public access to local government meetings, said David Snyder, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, a California-based nonprofit that advocates for public access and government accountability.

Synder said he wants to see boards return to in-person meetings, while also retaining the option for remote engagement in real time, so long as they can make it work technologically.

"That would be great," Snyder said. "We'd have the best of both worlds if that happens."

Welcoming back the public

Starting at its Sept. 14 meeting, Palo Alto's board intends to allow the public to attend on-site, as well as over Zoom. Since March, only the board and administrators had been face-to-face, while the public was fully remote.

Attendees will have to show proof of vaccination, Superintendent Don Austin said, adding that this mirrors the district's requirement for volunteers and visitors. Anyone who isn't vaccinated can take part online.

Once the executive order expires though, Austin said the district will need to consult with its legal council to determine whether the vaccine requirement is allowable.

"This is all uncharted for everybody," Austin said.

The Mountain View Whisman School District's board is still holding its meetings fully over Zoom. Although in-person meetings will need to resume if the executive order expires, board President Devon Conley said that the district is still working on the logistics of public comment.

At a meeting last month, some board members expressed concerns about having face-to-face meetings with the public while COVID-19 transmission rates remain substantial. Conley brought up the prospect of anti-mask protests at meetings, as has happened in other areas of the country.

In an interview, Conley said that although she didn't want to state a position on the issue before the board formally decides, she hasn't heard any trustees object to letting the public keep taking part online. She added that the board may discuss the issue again at a future meeting.

"Virtual meetings meant that we had way more participation than we ever had before," Conley said. "It just made it much easier for many members of the public to engage with the board."

The Los Altos School District hasn't made a formal decision on whether to retain remote commenting, although members have expressed interest in the idea. Superintendent Jeff Baier said he expects the trustees will discuss the issue at their next board meeting.

'Virtual meetings meant that we had way more participation than we ever had before.'

-Devon Conley, president, Mountain View Whisman School District board of trustees

Board President Vaishali Sirkay said she personally doesn't think people should be precluded from participating in meetings because of concerns about COVID-19 exposure, adding that attendance and commenting increased during the pandemic.

"I am very happy and impressed with the level of attendance that we're getting," Sirkay said. "I've also been that parent who's at home at seven o'clock on a Monday night taking care of my family and not being able to attend the board meeting."

The board is currently back in-person with district staff, while the public is still fully online. Baier said the public would need to be allowed back once the executive order expires.

Without the executive order, a number of regulations will be back in effect. Among them, any board member who wants to keep participating remotely has to publicly post their address and allow members of the public to take part in the meeting from that location.

Dharap said he hopes the California legislature considers amending the state's public meetings law to let board members participate remotely more easily. To broaden the types of candidates who run for public boards, Dharap said, it is important to be mindful of working families and realize that attending an in-person meeting can sometimes be an "insurmountable" obstacle.

"Increased access is really only going to be facilitated with legislative change," Dharap said.

MVLA bars remote commenting

While other districts have signaled an openness to continuing to let members of the public participate from home in real time, the Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District last month began requiring all commenters to show up on site.

Remote commenting had been permitted last school year, even after the board resumed in-person meetings in March. The change this fall was intentional, board President Fiona Walter said.

"We're going back to normal," Walter said. "We would rather see people in person."

According to Walter, she and Superintendent Nellie Meyer made the decision to return to a "pre-COVID" meeting model, with the addition of a YouTube livestream to increase access. Before the pandemic, the district only posted audio recordings after the fact.

'Increased access is really only going to be facilitated with legislative change.'

-Shounak Dharap, president, Palo Alto Board of Education

Walter acknowledged that the district could in theory continue to allow online commenting but said that it is logistically cumbersome, although she didn't detail what the barriers would be. She also said that people can always share feedback over email. At board meetings, Walter announces the number of emails the board has received on a given topic.

"We're not trying to reduce community engagement. That is not the goal. The goal was to get us back to normal," Walter said.

School boards saw big increases in the number of participants during the pandemic. In the past, meetings often drew only a handful of people. During the pandemic, remote meetings would sometimes see hundreds of attendees.

That was likely in part because of the controversial topics on the agenda, namely how and when to reopen schools. However, the format of the meetings may have made it easier for people to attend.

Laura Teksler, who ran unsuccessfully for the MVLA board last year, said she believes many more parents were able to participate in meetings during the pandemic because they didn't have to dedicate a whole evening to showing up in-person.

"One of the few good things that came out of the remote world was that ability for more of the public to engage," Teksler said, adding that she believes the district should continue to allow remote participation, so long as it's technologically possible.

'We're not trying to reduce community engagement. That is not the goal. The goal was to get us back to normal.'

-Fiona Walter, persident, Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District board of trustees

One of MVLA's trustees has continued to participate in meetings from home, while the rest of the board is back on the dais. Phil Faillace said in an email that he has been taking part over Zoom both because of the risk of a severe breakthrough COVID-19 case, made more likely due to his age, and because hearing loss makes it difficult for him to understand what is being said through masks.

Asked whether he believes the public should be allowed to comment remotely, given that he has been participating online, he said "yes" but added that he thinks allowing the public to email the board is sufficient in most cases. The exception, Faillace said, would be when someone wants to respond to something said during a meeting about an item the board is about to vote on.

"The board and administration are still working out the kinks in the current method of live-streaming, and I'm confident some mechanism will be developed to solve this problem in the relatively few instances of its occurrence," Faillace said.

Faillace said he intends to resume attending in-person meetings next month when the executive order expires, at which point he expects that he and his wife will have received booster shots of the vaccine.

Without the executive order, a board member participating remotely must publicly post their address and allow members of the public to attend the meeting at that location.

Faillace said that these requirements "seem to me to have outlived most of whatever use or worth they had when they were legislated, well before the widespread availability of very high quality video conferencing." He said he hopes to work with the district's technology staff to find ways to use available assistance devices to improve his understanding of meetings while masks are worn.

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As school boards resume in-person meetings, will the public still get to comment from home?

Pandemic 'silver lining': Residents' interactions with some boards increased as meetings went virtual

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Uploaded: Tue, Sep 7, 2021, 2:51 pm
Updated: Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:49 pm

Students aren't the only ones headed back in-person this fall. Local school boards are also facing the prospect of returning, as a state executive order that facilitates remote meetings is set to expire.

But hanging in the balance as boards resume in-person meetings is the issue of whether the public can continue to speak to the board from home, via internet or phone, which many found more convenient than showing up at the boardroom.

Three local school boards, Palo Alto Unified among them, are either moving ahead with continuing remote access for now or have signaled that they support retaining it.

The Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District, on the other hand, is already requiring people to show up face-to-face if they want to participate in real time.

California's open meetings laws require that local legislative bodies, such as school boards, hear public comment but don't mandate the allowance of remote comments. During the pandemic, many boards started letting the public comment from home when meetings went virtual.

Holding online meetings was made possible by a series of executive orders from Gov. Gavin Newsom that waived certain provisions in the state's open meetings laws. The most recent order is set to expire Sept. 30, at which point school boards will largely have to return to in-person meetings that are open to the public, though they can continue to give the public the option to participate remotely.

A bill currently working its way through the state legislature would require city councils and county boards of supervisors in jurisdictions with at least 250,000 people to allow the public to participate over the phone or internet until the end of 2023, though the law wouldn't apply to school boards.

Despite the lack of a legal requirement, the Palo Alto Unified, Los Altos and Mountain View Whisman boards have all expressed interest in keeping remote commenting when they move back to in-person meetings. Some districts may take a vote on retaining online participation, while others have indicated they may continue allowing it without taking formal action.

Currently, the Palo Alto Unified and Los Altos boards have been meeting in person, with the public participating over Zoom. The Mountain View Whisman board is still fully remote.

Palo Alto Board of Education President Shounak Dharap said that he can see his district continuing hybrid commenting for the "foreseeable future," adding that the district hasn't set any end date.

"My personal preference would be to maintain remote access forever," Dharap said. "I think that would be a great upgrade to the way public meetings have been run historically."

The Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District board of trustees, however, has ended remote commenting, already resuming fully face-to-face meetings and requiring members of the public to attend in-person to address the board.

Some advocates for government transparency believe boards should strive to retain the option for the public to participate remotely. Remoting commenting was a silver lining of the pandemic, in many cases expanding public access to local government meetings, said David Snyder, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, a California-based nonprofit that advocates for public access and government accountability.

Synder said he wants to see boards return to in-person meetings, while also retaining the option for remote engagement in real time, so long as they can make it work technologically.

"That would be great," Snyder said. "We'd have the best of both worlds if that happens."

Starting at its Sept. 14 meeting, Palo Alto's board intends to allow the public to attend on-site, as well as over Zoom. Since March, only the board and administrators had been face-to-face, while the public was fully remote.

Attendees will have to show proof of vaccination, Superintendent Don Austin said, adding that this mirrors the district's requirement for volunteers and visitors. Anyone who isn't vaccinated can take part online.

Once the executive order expires though, Austin said the district will need to consult with its legal council to determine whether the vaccine requirement is allowable.

"This is all uncharted for everybody," Austin said.

The Mountain View Whisman School District's board is still holding its meetings fully over Zoom. Although in-person meetings will need to resume if the executive order expires, board President Devon Conley said that the district is still working on the logistics of public comment.

At a meeting last month, some board members expressed concerns about having face-to-face meetings with the public while COVID-19 transmission rates remain substantial. Conley brought up the prospect of anti-mask protests at meetings, as has happened in other areas of the country.

In an interview, Conley said that although she didn't want to state a position on the issue before the board formally decides, she hasn't heard any trustees object to letting the public keep taking part online. She added that the board may discuss the issue again at a future meeting.

"Virtual meetings meant that we had way more participation than we ever had before," Conley said. "It just made it much easier for many members of the public to engage with the board."

The Los Altos School District hasn't made a formal decision on whether to retain remote commenting, although members have expressed interest in the idea. Superintendent Jeff Baier said he expects the trustees will discuss the issue at their next board meeting.

Board President Vaishali Sirkay said she personally doesn't think people should be precluded from participating in meetings because of concerns about COVID-19 exposure, adding that attendance and commenting increased during the pandemic.

"I am very happy and impressed with the level of attendance that we're getting," Sirkay said. "I've also been that parent who's at home at seven o'clock on a Monday night taking care of my family and not being able to attend the board meeting."

The board is currently back in-person with district staff, while the public is still fully online. Baier said the public would need to be allowed back once the executive order expires.

Without the executive order, a number of regulations will be back in effect. Among them, any board member who wants to keep participating remotely has to publicly post their address and allow members of the public to take part in the meeting from that location.

Dharap said he hopes the California legislature considers amending the state's public meetings law to let board members participate remotely more easily. To broaden the types of candidates who run for public boards, Dharap said, it is important to be mindful of working families and realize that attending an in-person meeting can sometimes be an "insurmountable" obstacle.

"Increased access is really only going to be facilitated with legislative change," Dharap said.

While other districts have signaled an openness to continuing to let members of the public participate from home in real time, the Mountain View Los Altos Union High School District last month began requiring all commenters to show up on site.

Remote commenting had been permitted last school year, even after the board resumed in-person meetings in March. The change this fall was intentional, board President Fiona Walter said.

"We're going back to normal," Walter said. "We would rather see people in person."

According to Walter, she and Superintendent Nellie Meyer made the decision to return to a "pre-COVID" meeting model, with the addition of a YouTube livestream to increase access. Before the pandemic, the district only posted audio recordings after the fact.

Walter acknowledged that the district could in theory continue to allow online commenting but said that it is logistically cumbersome, although she didn't detail what the barriers would be. She also said that people can always share feedback over email. At board meetings, Walter announces the number of emails the board has received on a given topic.

"We're not trying to reduce community engagement. That is not the goal. The goal was to get us back to normal," Walter said.

School boards saw big increases in the number of participants during the pandemic. In the past, meetings often drew only a handful of people. During the pandemic, remote meetings would sometimes see hundreds of attendees.

That was likely in part because of the controversial topics on the agenda, namely how and when to reopen schools. However, the format of the meetings may have made it easier for people to attend.

Laura Teksler, who ran unsuccessfully for the MVLA board last year, said she believes many more parents were able to participate in meetings during the pandemic because they didn't have to dedicate a whole evening to showing up in-person.

"One of the few good things that came out of the remote world was that ability for more of the public to engage," Teksler said, adding that she believes the district should continue to allow remote participation, so long as it's technologically possible.

One of MVLA's trustees has continued to participate in meetings from home, while the rest of the board is back on the dais. Phil Faillace said in an email that he has been taking part over Zoom both because of the risk of a severe breakthrough COVID-19 case, made more likely due to his age, and because hearing loss makes it difficult for him to understand what is being said through masks.

Asked whether he believes the public should be allowed to comment remotely, given that he has been participating online, he said "yes" but added that he thinks allowing the public to email the board is sufficient in most cases. The exception, Faillace said, would be when someone wants to respond to something said during a meeting about an item the board is about to vote on.

"The board and administration are still working out the kinks in the current method of live-streaming, and I'm confident some mechanism will be developed to solve this problem in the relatively few instances of its occurrence," Faillace said.

Faillace said he intends to resume attending in-person meetings next month when the executive order expires, at which point he expects that he and his wife will have received booster shots of the vaccine.

Without the executive order, a board member participating remotely must publicly post their address and allow members of the public to attend the meeting at that location.

Faillace said that these requirements "seem to me to have outlived most of whatever use or worth they had when they were legislated, well before the widespread availability of very high quality video conferencing." He said he hopes to work with the district's technology staff to find ways to use available assistance devices to improve his understanding of meetings while masks are worn.

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Bystander
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2021 at 11:29 am
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
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on Sep 8, 2021 at 11:29 am

This has to be done. As a parent I can remember sitting in school board meetings until long after the witching hour to have my say or see the result of something. Some parents took young children with them to avoid the need for babysitters, and some children were busy doing homework. Then parents had to leave before they wanted to due to getting the kids to bed. Not the way it should/could be done nowadays.


Native to the BAY
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Old Palo Alto
on Sep 8, 2021 at 12:23 pm
Native to the BAY, Old Palo Alto
Registered user
on Sep 8, 2021 at 12:23 pm

Zip about in person City of PA council meetings resuming. I find “virtual” invites a lack of human participation — it’s entirely restrictive, unfair & exclusionary to the electronically disadvantaged . Yet. I suppose ideally someone in Kabul could listen in.


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