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Stanford think tank marks centennial by exploring 'a century of ideas'

Hoover Institution holds first of 10 discussions on democracy, foreign policy

In honor of its centennial anniversary, the Hoover Institution at Stanford University on Tuesday launched a yearlong speaker series that will look at how history from the past 100 years can help inform current public policies.

The series, "A Century of Ideas for a Free Society," builds upon the institution's mission and core values, including "individual, economic, and political freedom; private enterprise; and limited, effective representative government," the institution said on its website.

"This lecture series brings together Hoover fellows to discuss how the ideas and values that have undergirded the institution for 100 years remain crucial in understanding and formulating public policy in the 21st century," the institution said in an opening video played at the afternoon event.

Tuesday's panel titled, "One Hundred Years of Democracy and Foreign Policy," featured former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Milbank Family senior fellow Niall Ferguson and Hoover Institution senior fellow Stephen Krasner.

"The lecture is really intended to help us look at the state of democracy today, but of course there's a long history of the state of democracy and the Hoover Institution has had a central role, through the people who've been here, in really shaping the ideas that define a free society," Rice said in the video introduction.

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Rice was both a participant and moderator of the discussion, leading the conversation with a history-related question for her fellow panelists who were asked to compare what she called "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" — populism, nativism, protectionism and isolationism — between present times and 100 years ago during the President Woodrow Wilson era.

"Much of what you're talking about when you talk about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, populism and nativism, protectionism, I don't see that as fundamentally undemocratic," Ferguson said. "I think those are necessary checks; you might call it the backlash against globalization, which many ordinary Americans and Europeans felt was long overdue," he added, going on to say that fascism and communism are "much more dangerous" to democracy than populism.

Rice's questions to the panel covered a range of challenges democracy faces, including governing over diverse populations, identity politics and the overall breakdown of faith in democratic institutions and their efficiency.

Ferguson presented a fairly optimistic perspective on the state of democracy supported through data from the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index, which showed roughly half of the world's population lives in democracies. "According to that series, 16 percent live in what they call hybrids — half democratic, half authoritarian — or illiberal democracies, and maybe a third are in authoritarian regimes. But when you look at the economics, which is another thing we try and do at Hoover, it's really striking that the democracies account for 74 percent of global gross domestic product," he said.

Krasner offered a slightly different point of view, saying there's a reason to be "worried" about the state of democracy in general. "We're not on kind of a teleological path. There's no natural way in which countries end up being democratic," he said. "It's true that the wealthy countries in the world are countries that have governments which are effective and constrained. Given that, I mean, one would think that democracy would sweep the world — that has not necessarily been the case," he said.

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Although the discussion was serious in nature, at several points the panel received laughs from the audience, including after Rice pointed out that they should ignore Ferguson saying he was a "schoolboy in the 80s" during one of his responses and again after she asked him how the state of democracy is in Europe, to which he responded, "fine."

Following their hourlong conversation, the panelists took questions from the audience. The first came from an attendee who asked how U.S. values inform foreign policy, citing the country's relationship with Saudi Arabia compared to its relationship with Iran.

Rice responded, "The fact of the matter is the United States is not an NGO (nongovernmental organization), it has values but it also has interests and so when you're confronted with an ally or an ally that does not share your values, the hardest thing is to be true to your values and yet recognize that sometimes you have strategic interests that mean that you have to keep that relationship alive."

The second panel discussion in the Century of Ideas series is set for April 18, featuring John and Jean De Nault senior fellow Terry Anderson, Leonard and Shirley Ely senior fellow John Cogan, Hoover Institution senior fellow Lee Ohanian and former U.S. Secretary of State George P. Shultz along with Murdoch research fellow Peter Robinson as moderator.

For more information about the series go to hoover.org.

To watch a full video of Tuesday's discussion go to youtube.com.

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Stanford think tank marks centennial by exploring 'a century of ideas'

Hoover Institution holds first of 10 discussions on democracy, foreign policy

by / Palo Alto Weekly

Uploaded: Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 5:32 pm

In honor of its centennial anniversary, the Hoover Institution at Stanford University on Tuesday launched a yearlong speaker series that will look at how history from the past 100 years can help inform current public policies.

The series, "A Century of Ideas for a Free Society," builds upon the institution's mission and core values, including "individual, economic, and political freedom; private enterprise; and limited, effective representative government," the institution said on its website.

"This lecture series brings together Hoover fellows to discuss how the ideas and values that have undergirded the institution for 100 years remain crucial in understanding and formulating public policy in the 21st century," the institution said in an opening video played at the afternoon event.

Tuesday's panel titled, "One Hundred Years of Democracy and Foreign Policy," featured former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Milbank Family senior fellow Niall Ferguson and Hoover Institution senior fellow Stephen Krasner.

"The lecture is really intended to help us look at the state of democracy today, but of course there's a long history of the state of democracy and the Hoover Institution has had a central role, through the people who've been here, in really shaping the ideas that define a free society," Rice said in the video introduction.

Rice was both a participant and moderator of the discussion, leading the conversation with a history-related question for her fellow panelists who were asked to compare what she called "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" — populism, nativism, protectionism and isolationism — between present times and 100 years ago during the President Woodrow Wilson era.

"Much of what you're talking about when you talk about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, populism and nativism, protectionism, I don't see that as fundamentally undemocratic," Ferguson said. "I think those are necessary checks; you might call it the backlash against globalization, which many ordinary Americans and Europeans felt was long overdue," he added, going on to say that fascism and communism are "much more dangerous" to democracy than populism.

Rice's questions to the panel covered a range of challenges democracy faces, including governing over diverse populations, identity politics and the overall breakdown of faith in democratic institutions and their efficiency.

Ferguson presented a fairly optimistic perspective on the state of democracy supported through data from the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index, which showed roughly half of the world's population lives in democracies. "According to that series, 16 percent live in what they call hybrids — half democratic, half authoritarian — or illiberal democracies, and maybe a third are in authoritarian regimes. But when you look at the economics, which is another thing we try and do at Hoover, it's really striking that the democracies account for 74 percent of global gross domestic product," he said.

Krasner offered a slightly different point of view, saying there's a reason to be "worried" about the state of democracy in general. "We're not on kind of a teleological path. There's no natural way in which countries end up being democratic," he said. "It's true that the wealthy countries in the world are countries that have governments which are effective and constrained. Given that, I mean, one would think that democracy would sweep the world — that has not necessarily been the case," he said.

Although the discussion was serious in nature, at several points the panel received laughs from the audience, including after Rice pointed out that they should ignore Ferguson saying he was a "schoolboy in the 80s" during one of his responses and again after she asked him how the state of democracy is in Europe, to which he responded, "fine."

Following their hourlong conversation, the panelists took questions from the audience. The first came from an attendee who asked how U.S. values inform foreign policy, citing the country's relationship with Saudi Arabia compared to its relationship with Iran.

Rice responded, "The fact of the matter is the United States is not an NGO (nongovernmental organization), it has values but it also has interests and so when you're confronted with an ally or an ally that does not share your values, the hardest thing is to be true to your values and yet recognize that sometimes you have strategic interests that mean that you have to keep that relationship alive."

The second panel discussion in the Century of Ideas series is set for April 18, featuring John and Jean De Nault senior fellow Terry Anderson, Leonard and Shirley Ely senior fellow John Cogan, Hoover Institution senior fellow Lee Ohanian and former U.S. Secretary of State George P. Shultz along with Murdoch research fellow Peter Robinson as moderator.

For more information about the series go to hoover.org.

To watch a full video of Tuesday's discussion go to youtube.com.

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grating ideas
Greenmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 7:34 am
grating ideas, Greenmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 7:34 am
16 people like this

Well, Hoover has had 15+ years to perfect the whitewashing of their cheerleading for the Iraq War. Almost seems like they didn't full-throatedly support the war, these days.

Almost.

Be interesting how they paint their history on that and so many other issues. Great ideas?!?


Hoover Man
Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 8:42 am
Hoover Man, Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 8:42 am
26 people like this

The Hoover Institution remains the bastion of key conservative perspectives within a liberal academic environment & surrounding community.

It stands tall & symbolizes rational solutions to our country's most pressing issues.






Anon
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2019 at 9:38 am
Anon, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 28, 2019 at 9:38 am
57 people like this

Posted by Hoover Man, a resident of Stanford

>> The Hoover Institution remains the bastion of key conservative perspectives within a liberal academic environment & surrounding community.

Agreed.

>> It stands tall & symbolizes rational solutions to our country's most pressing issues.

"Irrational" you mean. Wishful thinking and belief in the mythology of "free markets" and "free trade" in a world of rising CO2, corrupt autocrats and MBAs.


Intl Criminal Court
Community Center
on Mar 28, 2019 at 10:13 am
Intl Criminal Court, Community Center
on Mar 28, 2019 at 10:13 am
19 people like this

From Hoovervilles to Iraq to Trump...

Oiy, wotta legacy.


Hoover Man
Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 10:24 am
Hoover Man, Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 10:24 am
25 people like this

> in a world of rising CO2...

As long as there is chlorophyll, we can keep C02 emissions in check. That is why it is critical to have a bounty of green plant life on Earth...the ones that have the larger leaves are the most productive. Those with smaller leaves less so.

In respects to global warming, the alarmists have yet to explain that if the polar ice caps are melting at such an incredible rate, why are the sea temperatures rising rather than decreasing? Even a child knows that when you add ice to liquid, it does not get warmer.

Liberal perspectives do play a constructive role in the advancement of a progressive society. Remember it was the Radical Republicans who freed the slaves and initiated Reconstruction of the South while the southern Democrats elected to revert back to Jim Crow based on the compromise of the Tilden-Hayes election of 1876. Few people are willing to accept or believe that it was the Democrats who set race relations back a hundred years yet this party still claims to be the party of the poorer people. Anyone who is well-acquainted with a wealthy Democrat knows this is simply not so.

Some call it hypocracy...others mockingly refer to it as 'truth in advertising'.








grating ideas
Greenmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 11:40 am
grating ideas, Greenmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 11:40 am
17 people like this

> In respects to global warming, the alarmists...

Oh, good grief.

Another denier who cherry-picks a couple numbers in the face of scientific consensus. A denier who challenges the following organizations, because their beliefs are stronger than reality... (from other Climate Change threads recently:)

The FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT
______

CHAPTER 1

Earth’s climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities.
The impacts of global climate change are already being felt in the United States and are projected to intensify in the future—but the severity of future impacts will depend largely on actions taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to adapt to the changes that will occur.

Google: "FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT" for links and much, much, more.


Members:

Department of the Interior

Department of Energy

U.S. Global Change Research Program

Department of Health and Human Services

U.S. Agency for International Development

Smithsonian Institution

Department of Commerce

Department of Defense

Department of Agriculture

National Aeronautics and Space Administration

Department of Energy

Department of Transportation

Environmental Protection Agency

Department of the Interior

Department of State

National Science Foundation

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

U.S. Geological Survey

Add in:

Texas Tech University
University of Washington
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
University of Illinois
Rutgers University
North Carolina State University
Texas A&M University
Columbia University
University of California, Irvine
University of Massachusetts
California Department of Water Resources
... and many, many more.


grating ideas
Greenmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 11:49 am
grating ideas, Greenmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 11:49 am
16 people like this

And the ongoing canard that Dems are somehow fantastically still the party of slavery? Really? That's the highly educated opinion of Hoover?

The guys that support President (some nazis are fine people) Trump want to talk race???

Also: nice try framing Dems as " the party of the poorer people." Look at the polls for the wallop handed out in 2018. They are the party of Working Americans.

Hoover, the GOP and Trump want to take healthcare away from Working Americans. Just look what Epstein and others wrote for Hoover (or will that be whitewashed for the 100 year party as well?)


Hoover Institute = The Voice Of Reason
Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:23 pm
Hoover Institute = The Voice Of Reason, Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:23 pm
27 people like this

> And the ongoing canard that Dems are somehow fantastically still the party of slavery? Really? That's the highly educated opinion of Hoover?

They WERE the party of slavery. Today Democrats are the proponents of illegal immigration & entitlement benefits that 'Working Americans' have to pay for.
Fiscal responsibility is an oxymoron when it comes to the Democrats as they enjoy wasting taxpayer dollars on unwarranted social services to the undeserving.

As far as global warming, periodic shifts in temperature have been going on since Day One of Earth's history.

it's like living next to a volcano...sometimes inactive, other times active. Just ask the folks in Pompei or Hawaii. Mother Nature is fickle at times.

The Hoover Institute is the ongoing voice of reason in these troubling times.


Supreme Allied Condista
another community
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Supreme Allied Condista, another community
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:32 pm
4 people like this

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grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:35 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:35 pm
21 people like this

> The Hoover Institute is the ongoing voice of reason in these troubling times.

Climate change denials, cheerleaders for the Iraq War, painting Democrats as racists, want to take healthcare away from Americans thru ObamaCare repeal, etc..

No wonder conservatives got clobbered in 2018. "Nazis have fine people on both sides".


> Fiscal responsibility is an oxymoron when it comes to the Democrats

Trump tax cuts for corporations and himself just added 2 trillion to the national debt and will bring the deficit up to a trillion dollars (first done under Bush.)

Hoover is the place where 'papers' get written that Medicare and Social Security have to get cut to pay for Trump's personal tax cuts.






6Djockey
Registered user
Green Acres
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:43 pm
6Djockey, Green Acres
Registered user
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:43 pm
1 person likes this

In response to Hoover Man, your glass of water analogy is not accurate. A more correct analogy would be to have the ice cube in the water, as the polar cap is, and have the glass heated by radiation, as the earth is heated by the sun and enhanced by CO2 in the atmosphere. Then the water temperature goes up and the ice melts faster. Even a child knows that.


Hoover Institute = Voice Of Reason
Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:49 pm
Hoover Institute = Voice Of Reason, Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:49 pm
22 people like this

> want to take healthcare away from Americans thru ObamaCare repeal, etc..

I agree with you as these social programs should not be eliminated for 'Americans' (as in citizens)...they should only be eliminated (along with foodstamps, Medi-Cal, DACA, and rental subsidies for illegal immigrants who should be seeking these benefits in their own countries. Sanctuary cities should also be cut-off from ALL federal funding as they only endanger Americans by avoiding pertinent criminal referrals to ICE.

Instead of 'Making America Great Again' the focus should be on 'Making America Safe and American Again...MASAA.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:58 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 12:58 pm
26 people like this

> I agree with you as these social programs...

Hoover fought against ObamaCare and called for it's repeal (Epstein, Scott Atlas, etc..) Add in the Trumpism of pitting one side against The Other!

The white-washing of all those past Hoover mistakes continues! Cut Medicare! Cut Social Security! Can't afford Trump's tax cuts and still help Working Americans! Cut! Cut! Cut!


Wow - Condi still around? Talk about leading liars for the Iraq War - wow.
Condi - what was the name of that Aug 6 PDB again? Can you read the title for us? The ones you read everyday to Bush?


Rolly
College Terrace
on Mar 28, 2019 at 1:30 pm
Rolly, College Terrace
on Mar 28, 2019 at 1:30 pm
42 people like this

Hoover chaps are like Reagan in the 60s, who called Medicare a socialist coup that would destroy America.

How'd that work out? Like the conservatives in the 30s who said Social Security would destroy America.

the Hoover institute wants to take away health care and pension from hard-working Americans, just to give more tax cuts to Trump and corporations.

One hundred years of really terrible ideas.


Hoover Institute = Voice Of Reason
Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 2:23 pm
Hoover Institute = Voice Of Reason, Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 2:23 pm
20 people like this

One area where I suspect that both Liberals and Conservatives concur...

If a country cannot afford to feed ALL of its people then they shouldn't have nuclear weapons. This includes North Korea, China, India and Pakistan.

At least the US has a Department of Agriculture Food Stamp program to serve as a safety net for those in dire need....although the program is frequently abused.

One area where Liberals and Conservatives may beg to differ...

Eliminating US Foreign Aid to 3rd World/Developing countries as it is their responsibility to take of their own citizens and quite often, the money falls into the wrong hands of dictators.

Let these countries perish (or survive) on their own with the possible option of re-colonization or territorial status for those who wish to reap financial handouts from American taxpayers and various do-gooder political mentalities.

Puerto Rico is a prime example...too troublesome to ever become an state but still a prime agricultural region with cheap labor.

America does not owe you a living and survival of the fittest is the story of evolution.


Hoover Institute = Voice Of Reason
Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 2:28 pm
Hoover Institute = Voice Of Reason, Menlo Park
on Mar 28, 2019 at 2:28 pm
26 people like this

> Eliminating US Foreign Aid to 3rd World/Developing countries as it is their responsibility to take [care] of their own citizens and quite often, the money falls into the wrong hands of dictators.

In retrospect, naming the tower after Hoover was probably a mistake as he was somewhat responsible for ushering in the Great Depression. How ironic.

The William R. Buckley Tower would have been a more appropriate name as he was a true conservative.

The Liberal counterpart is the CNN broadcasting tower.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 2:34 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 2:34 pm
22 people like this

> Puerto Rico ... ...too troublesome to ever become an state but still a prime agricultural region with cheap labor.

So make it a state. Or grant independence.

All your high-minded Hoover gibberish, time to put it in action. Trillions for the Hoover backed Iraq War - why not let PR be PR.


Hoover Man
Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 5:35 pm
Hoover Man, Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 5:35 pm
2 people like this

This thread is getting far too political in nature.

Can't we just acknowledge 100 years of the Hoover Institution's work rather than get into a cat-fight of Liberal VS Conservative perspectives?

Everyone has a right to agree or disagree with the institution's perspectives on global, economic and national affairs.

Best advice...if you have a problem with the Hoover Institution, go create your own think tank & spew your insights with the rest of the community and world at large.

Until then, bringing up differences of political/economic opinion in regards to the institution's venerable platform is utterly pointless.



grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 5:41 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 28, 2019 at 5:41 pm
19 people like this

> This thread is getting far too political in nature.

Yes - as Hoover should be recognized for their "100 years of .. work" such as the Iraq War, fighting ObamaCare, being in the wallet of Big Oil and fighting the facts of Climate Change, trying to destroy the social safety net, etc..

As you succinctly out it: 'truth in advertising'

Have a good day.


Hoover Man
Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 5:55 pm
Hoover Man, Stanford
on Mar 28, 2019 at 5:55 pm
18 people like this

> such as the Iraq War,

Historically speaking, which one are you referring to? The liberation of Kuwait or the subsequent war to seek 'weapons of mass destruction'?

If you are referring to George W's war, I concur with you.

Desert Storm was 'unfinished business' as the US should have deposed of Saadam Hussein when it had the opportunity & seized Iraq's oil fields for it own usage.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 29, 2019 at 10:54 am
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 29, 2019 at 10:54 am
14 people like this

> seized Iraq's oil fields for it own usage

Nice Rambo imperialist fantasy you have there - a forever commitment to getting US troops killed, spending trillions more, just to enrich Exxon.

Is that ridiculous notion going to get whitewashed in Hoover's 100 year review of failed ideas?


Hoover 'truth in advertising'

- cheerleading the Iraq War
- fighting ObamaCare and patient protections (pre-existing conditions, etc..)
- being in the wallet of Big Oil
- fighting the facts of Climate Change
- destroy the social safety net

And so many more failed Trumpian ideas.

note: in the 90's, Hoover had a half hour show on a local channel, Sunday evenings, iirc. I fell into the trap at first, really enjoyed it, then I woke up to their failures. My way of saying: I understand how a non-critical thinker can fall into that trap. May you also someday pull the wool from your eyes.


2nd Iraq War Was A Mistake
Crescent Park
on Mar 29, 2019 at 12:39 pm
2nd Iraq War Was A Mistake, Crescent Park
on Mar 29, 2019 at 12:39 pm
12 people like this

> Nice Rambo imperialist fantasy you have there - a forever commitment to getting US troops killed, spending trillions more, just to enrich Exxon.

So you would rather Iraq sell/send their oil to enemies such as North Korea & China instead?

Who's side are you on?

The American sacrifice of troops in Desert Storm justified the United States seizing all of Iraq's oil fields whether the refineries were owned by Exxon, Chevron, BP or some other WESTERN nation.

Then there wouldn't have been the second Iraq War (aka Iraqi Freedom). saadam Hussein would have been deposed & the country under control by western business interests. As it stands, the Iraqis took care of Hussein on their own after George H. Bush's military foray into the country.

Iraq lost the first war & they should have been forced to pay...big time.

The same goes for Libya & all of those other oil-rich troublemakers. No oil to sell = less monetary resources for territorial aggression.

All ISIS members/followers should also be destroyed in the process...no mercy considering what they have done in the past.

The key is to use military force to WIN & not to simply contain.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 29, 2019 at 1:56 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 29, 2019 at 1:56 pm
10 people like this

> So you would rather Iraq sell/send their oil to enemies such as North Korea & China instead? Who's side are you on?

Free markets?

Your "side" is apparently occupying countries, long term, stealing their resources while American boys get killed so Exxon could profit.

I'll give you one point however: even Hoover isn't dumb enough to try and whitewash their Iraq War support with this crazy scheme.

Happy hundredth, Rambo. (hate to break this to you: Rambo is make-believe. And even at that, he's all messed up because of a stupid, ill-advised WAR.)


2nd Iraq War Was A Mistake
Crescent Park
on Mar 29, 2019 at 2:14 pm
2nd Iraq War Was A Mistake, Crescent Park
on Mar 29, 2019 at 2:14 pm
18 people like this

> Your "side" is apparently occupying countries, long term, stealing their resources while American boys get killed so Exxon could profit.

It appears some other countries that didn't have the courage or wherewithal to stick their necks out militarily reaped 50% of the benefits...

They are the true carpetbaggers & opportunists.

April 26, 2018
Iraq awarded contracts for just over half of the energy deposits offered in an auction that failed to attract bids from most of the big oil companies that initially expressed interest.

Crescent Petroleum Co. of the United Arab Emirates, China’s Geo-Jade Petroleum Corp. and United Energy Group, with headquarters in Hong Kong, won contracts at the auction in Baghdad attended by Oil Minister Jabbar al-Luaibi. Exxon Mobil Corp., Total SA, Zarubezhneft OAO, Lukoil PJSC and Gazprom PJSC decided not to bid, Abdul Mahdy Al-Ameedi, director-general for upstream oil contracts, said at the bidding event, without giving a reason.

source: Bloomberg Business

As for Rambo...he is just a fictional movie character. Bernie Sanders, Olivia Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala Harris & Elizabeth Warren are real people who actually perceive themselves as a POTUS.

Donald Trump apparently did so too but anomalies will occur from time to time...just ask any gambler.


2nd Iraq War Was A Mistake
Crescent Park
on Mar 29, 2019 at 2:17 pm
2nd Iraq War Was A Mistake, Crescent Park
on Mar 29, 2019 at 2:17 pm
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>>> Disregard the 'Olivia' in Ocasio-Cortez...I must have been thinking of another left-wing idealist. My wife!


Good News
Portola Valley
on Mar 30, 2019 at 9:37 am
Good News, Portola Valley
on Mar 30, 2019 at 9:37 am
20 people like this

President Trump just cut off all foreign-aid to Honduras, El Salvador & Guatemala because these countries have not taken any pro-active measures towards stemming the flow of illegal migration into United States.

The $500,000,000 saved will hopefully go towards improving the American infrastructure & its public facilities instead. Trump's figures are always a bit misleading as...

The State Department announced in December 2018 that the U.S. would mobilize $5.8 billion in public and private American investment to these three countries.

$5.8 billion is way too much money to send to these three countries.

America should come first with 3rd world countries a secondary (or tertiary) priority when it involves US taxpayer dollars.

There is no such thing as a free global lunch without some form of obligation or courtesy to the one one buying lunch.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 30, 2019 at 10:45 am
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 30, 2019 at 10:45 am
20 people like this

> will hopefully go towards improving the American infrastructure & its public facilities instead.

Haha, that's funny. Google trump administration and "infrastructure week". He's been promising infrastructure for years, and never did anything even when the GOP controlled all three branches. Seriously, at what point do you finally realize he is conning you all along?

And this relates to the Hoover whitewash topic, how? About as much as fantasy Rambo bringing up AOC, Bernie, etc..

(multiple names)



No More Free Money
Barron Park
on Mar 30, 2019 at 12:53 pm
No More Free Money, Barron Park
on Mar 30, 2019 at 12:53 pm
8 people like this

^^^^better that the money remain in the US regardless of any false promises on the part of Trump & Company.

The United States should eliminate ALL foreign aid (including to Israel which is a very successful country in its own right).

3rd World/developing countries need to learn to fend for themselves & if they perish or become colonies again, so be it.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Mar 30, 2019 at 1:07 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Mar 30, 2019 at 1:07 pm
8 people like this

> 3rd World/developing countries need to learn to fend for themselves & if they perish or become colonies again, so be it.

Absolutely. So what if more Hondurans, etc.. leave their countries and seek a better life elsewhere - where would they possibly go?

Oh, wait....

---

Let China send them some spare change and gain more influence in the theater. After all, Hoover never would object to China, Russia, etc.. exerting their influence in other countries.

Oh, wait... they have. Can't wait to see Hoover's whitewash of their support for the Vietnam War. 58K American soldiers killed.

Hoover - wrong so many times.
- cheerleading the Iraq War
- fighting ObamaCare and patient protections (pre-existing conditions, etc..)
- being in the wallet of Big Oil
- fighting the facts of Climate Change
- destroy the social safety net
- Add the Vietnam War.


(again, multiple names)


@Hoover Man
another community
on Mar 30, 2019 at 1:18 pm
@Hoover Man, another community
on Mar 30, 2019 at 1:18 pm
18 people like this

"In respects to global warming, the alarmists have yet to explain that if the polar ice caps are melting at such an incredible rate, why are the sea temperatures rising rather than decreasing? Even a child knows that when you add ice to liquid, it does not get warmer."

*facepalm*


No More Free Money
Barron Park
on Mar 30, 2019 at 1:21 pm
No More Free Money, Barron Park
on Mar 30, 2019 at 1:21 pm
12 people like this

> Absolutely. So what if more Hondurans, etc.. leave their countries and seek a better life elsewhere - where would they possibly go?

> Let China send them some spare change and gain more influence in the theater.

Excellent idea! China can afford to + they maintain major shipping lines which could transport immigrants on the return trip back to Asia.

Chinese people like bananas too & there's really nothing else worth defending in Central America except dictatorships.

This is what the Hoover Institute needs to recognize...that bribery of despotic 3rd World regimes is a one-way ticket to nowhere.

If the people truly wish to be free, let them revolt. That's how the US got started.

No more military or financial support for past & present countries like Nationalist China, South Viet Nam, the Philippines & the former Iran et al. Add pre-Castro Cuba into the mix as well + the Dominican Republic, Afghanistan among others.

Why waste the energy & manpower?

You see...we do agree on some things!

If these countries are eventually replaced on the map, no big deal. maps are always changing.


Semper Fi
Barron Park
on Mar 30, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Semper Fi , Barron Park
on Mar 30, 2019 at 7:05 pm
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>> No more military or financial support for past & present countries like Nationalist China, South Viet Nam, the Philippines & the former Iran et al. Add pre-Castro Cuba into the mix as well + the Dominican Republic, Afghanistan among others.

I suspect that at one time, the enlightened folks at Hoover probably supported these measures as a means of ensuring what they perceived at the time as political stability.

I agree...3rd world & developing countries must learn to be self-sufficient & it is not the responsibility of the United States to look after them.

Trump's decision to cut-off foreign aid to Guatemala, El Salvador & Honduras makes perfect sense as they could have used the money towards the best interests of their people. Instead, the cash probably fell into the wrong hands.

If things are that bad over there, the people need to stage a revolution & overthrow their respective governments...on their own.

No American soldiers should die defending someone else. These banana republics aren't worth the investment in resources.







Controlled Population Growth In America
Barron Park
on Mar 31, 2019 at 1:53 pm
Controlled Population Growth In America, Barron Park
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Peter
Midtown
on Mar 31, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Peter, Midtown
on Mar 31, 2019 at 3:16 pm
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Want them to stay home?

- help make our neighbor countries better.

- corporate death penalty for companies breaking the law by hiring undocumented workers (including Trump Org, Trump personal aides/drivers)

- comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform

Jail time for business executives who hire illegally.

Meet your new San Quentin roomie: bubba.

Hoover is terrible. So often wrong.


Controlled Population Growth In America
Barron Park
on Mar 31, 2019 at 3:45 pm
Controlled Population Growth In America, Barron Park
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Use Debit Cards In Lieu Of CASH
Crescent Park
on Mar 31, 2019 at 5:30 pm
Use Debit Cards In Lieu Of CASH, Crescent Park
on Mar 31, 2019 at 5:30 pm
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> That said, why can't US Foreign Aid simply be dispersed in CASH to the inhabitants of these countries rather than the dictatorial leaders?

Because of 'money laundering' issues & problems...illegal money activity cannot be proven without a 'paper trail' & bookkeeping practices in 3rd world countries is questionable at best.

> Just call it exporting 'social services' rather than having to deal with the paperwork stateside at the various county offices. So much simpler.

Which is why EBT or debit cards would be the best approach. Once the balance has been maxed-out, there is no more paperwork to be filed & the recipients have no reason to be migrating to America.

The debit cards can then be checked & verified via computer at the border.


A Proud Republican
Palo Alto Hills
on Apr 2, 2019 at 9:52 am
A Proud Republican, Palo Alto Hills
on Apr 2, 2019 at 9:52 am
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The Hoover Tower & Bohemian Club are two of my favorite places. Great people & terrific conversation all around.

Highly respected leaders of industry, finance & the military are members + some artists & writers.

I don't think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would fit in very well as she is too socialist and subversive towards traditional American values.


grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Apr 2, 2019 at 10:46 am
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Apr 2, 2019 at 10:46 am
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> I don't think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would fit in very well

I heard Willie B. at a lakeside one afternoon (*years* ago); after his talk, there was quite a crowd gathered around the podium.

I can't imagine there are lots of "proud republicans" gathered in the Cartoon Room after a Thursday night dinner, talking vociferously about how 'proud' they are of Trump. But it's been awhile...

> traditional American values

Like going "across the river"? Gimmee a break.


The Right-Wing Bohemian
Barron Park
on Apr 2, 2019 at 12:15 pm
The Right-Wing Bohemian, Barron Park
on Apr 2, 2019 at 12:15 pm
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grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Apr 2, 2019 at 12:30 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Apr 2, 2019 at 12:30 pm
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> Ocasio-Cortez as aforementioned in a previous post, is a subversive political element

Hardly. She's a duly elected member of the United States Congress. Many of her positions poll extremely well. The far fringe right uses her as a fear and scare tactic. They *should* be scared of her - go listen to her talk, a full speech, she's pretty good (instead of just 'be afraid' snippets on fox, inforwars, etc.. )

Back to topic: if Hoover is truly a place of ideas, and not just another far right think-tank now whitewashing their history of failures, they should encourage speakers with a spectrum of ideas.

I know, it's a humorous idea - that Hoover actually seeks knowledge instead of continuing their rancid history of tragic mistakes like:

- cheerleading the Iraq War
- fighting ObamaCare and patient protections (pre-existing conditions, etc..)
- being in the wallet of Big Oil
- fighting the facts of Climate Change
- destroy the social safety net
- the Vietnam War.


(again, multiple names)


The Right-Wing Bohemian
Barron Park
on Apr 2, 2019 at 12:47 pm
The Right-Wing Bohemian, Barron Park
on Apr 2, 2019 at 12:47 pm
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grating ideas
Fairmeadow
on Apr 2, 2019 at 2:25 pm
grating ideas, Fairmeadow
on Apr 2, 2019 at 2:25 pm
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