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Residents say Lincoln-Middlefield intersection is dangerous

Paly student, residents are raising their concerns over frequent accidents near an elementary school

Residents living near Lincoln Avenue and Middlefield Road are petitioning the city of Palo Alto to do something about an intersection they say is dangerous for schoolchildren.

The intersection at Lincoln, just outside of Addison Elementary School, has been the scene of numerous car crashes, including a recent one in which a vehicle collided with the school's sign. City transportation officials said they are aware of the situation, but they aren't planning any changes to the intersection until the fall.

Palo Alto High School sophomore Coleman Yanagisawa has been so concerned, he's kept a count of the collisions and wrote to city officials to try to get their attention.

"Because of its proximity to Addison Elementary School, this intersection is extremely significant and must be fixed," he said in a letter to the Weekly.

Yanagisawa, a Boy Scout with Troop 5, is trying to make the intersection safer as a fulfillment of his Communication Merit Badge, which he needs to become an Eagle Scout, he said in a phone interview.

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He has heard many of the crashes while in his home and has documented them for about a year, he said.

"It makes me scared that someone I might know might be in one of them," he said.

His research has stretched beyond the year, however. He discovered that at least 13 car collisions have happened at the intersection since Sept. 28, 2015. Nine took place during this school year alone, with six between Jan. 6 and April 19, he said.

The collisions have been happening during rush hours, which are also when kids go to and from school. The intersection is used by students biking to Palo Alto High School, he noted.

"These accidents have been occurring for as long as I can remember. However, they have usually been mild fender benders. Lately, they have been intensifying in severity," he said.

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On Jan. 18, a car jumped the curb and hit the school's sign. On March 12, "at least two airbags were opened, and an ambulance as well as the fire department were called to assist one of the drivers who had hurt their neck," Yanagisawa said.

"There are probably many complex reasons to why this is occurring, but one thing is clear: The frequency of these accidents at this intersection has been increasing dangerously," he said.

The city made some minor changes to Middlefield last summer, narrowing a lane to slow traffic and painting speed limits on the road in reflective paint. But the repairs haven't improved safeety. Two collisions on April 19 involved three and four cars, he noted.

Mark Crady, another nearby resident, has also contacted the city.

"I live a half block away from the intersection. It is stunning how bad it is. Especially given how many school kids end up crossing there to Addison and to Paly," he said in an email.

Laura Sturino and her two children were struck by a mini van in December 2011 at the Lincoln and Middlefield intersection.

There were many cars parked along the road, heavy traffic on Middlefield and a steady stream of vehicles on Lincoln that were trying to cross Middlefield, she said in an email. She made sure to make eye contact with the driver at the stop sign on Lincoln, checked to see no one was coming from the other direction and began to cross, making sure the driver at the stop sign knew they were coming.

But another driver, a father who was dropping his children off at school was parked on Middlefield. He suddenly pulled out quickly to cross the Middlefield traffic and drove onto Lincoln, striking Sturino and her children, she said.

"I took the brunt of the hit. The boys miraculously were only scraped and in complete shock, but otherwise unhurt. We were taken to urgent care by neighbors who witnessed the accident. We mainly just suffered bruising. The bruising on my face was the worst of it. I stepped in front of the boys at the last minute, as I saw the minivan peripherally and was hit in the face by the hood of the minivan," she said.

"He never saw us until we were directly in front of him. The traffic on the street and the sunlight in the morning affected his visibility."

Sturino went to the police department to report the collision.

"I wanted there to be a record since I had seen countless close calls and wanted to make sure whoever was looking at the traffic knew what happened. We spoke to the city planner when they were considering making changes during the Safe Routes to Schools campaign at Addison that year, but he said that there wasn't much they could do," she said.

The city did make recent changes to Middlefield, including raising the center of the street, but they haven't helped, she added.

"From living on Middlefield, I can tell you the situation has gotten worse. There are more accidents and even more close calls. I don't believe a child or a pedestrian has been hit since my accident, but it's just a matter of time. I worry about what will happen when there is an increase of construction traffic to Addison Elementary starting this summer with the demolition and renovation of the Multipurpose room, etc.," she wrote.

Police department data indicate that officers took 19 collision reports at the intersection between Jan. 1, 2010 and May 22, 2018, according to Capt. Zach Perron. In almost all of the incidents, drivers on Lincoln pulled into Middlefield traffic and caused the collision, he stated in an email.

"While some of the collisions resulted in injury, those injuries were generally minor in nature. None were major-injury collisions," he said.

Craig Yanagisawa, Coleman's father, said police reports don't tell the entire story. In some cases, motorists exchanged insurance information but did not contact the police.

City Chief Transportation Official Joshuah Mello said in an email the city plans to address the Lincoln intersection.

"This intersection, as well as the intersection of Middlefield Road and Forest Avenue, are definitely on our radar. The latter was recently ranked as the highest collision intersection in the city," Mello said.

"We are currently working with residents in Crescent Park to address the regional traffic impacts on neighborhood streets, including Hamilton, Forest and Lincoln. Our goal is to implement a traffic-calming pilot project this fall that will aim to reduce both the speeds and volumes of traffic on local streets," he said.

In addition to Middlefield and Forest, four other intersections with Middlefield in north Palo Alto are on the city's list of top 10 most accident-prone locations, based on data from 2010 to 2016: Forest Avenue had nine collisions; Channing Avenue had six; University Avenue had six; Everett Avenue five; and Hawthorne Avenue five, according to the city's Traffic Safety and Operations 2017 Report.

The city worked on the Channing and Hawthorne intersections in 2017 and is continuing to do so this year.

Crady, a resident, said he found the city's data suspect, however. He noted that the city takes its data from the Statewide Integrated Traffic Records System (SWITRS) database, which is maintained by the California Highway Patrol.

"There are only eight accidents recorded at Lincoln and Middlefield in the SWITRS database over those five years. I see eight accidents per year where police are called to the scene," he said.

Coleman Yanagisawa said the city should add traffic signals at the Lincoln intersection.

"While this may be costly, it will prevent further accidents and injuries from happening," he said.

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Residents say Lincoln-Middlefield intersection is dangerous

Paly student, residents are raising their concerns over frequent accidents near an elementary school

by / Palo Alto Weekly

Uploaded: Sun, Jun 3, 2018, 8:27 am
Updated: Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 2:36 pm

Residents living near Lincoln Avenue and Middlefield Road are petitioning the city of Palo Alto to do something about an intersection they say is dangerous for schoolchildren.

The intersection at Lincoln, just outside of Addison Elementary School, has been the scene of numerous car crashes, including a recent one in which a vehicle collided with the school's sign. City transportation officials said they are aware of the situation, but they aren't planning any changes to the intersection until the fall.

Palo Alto High School sophomore Coleman Yanagisawa has been so concerned, he's kept a count of the collisions and wrote to city officials to try to get their attention.

"Because of its proximity to Addison Elementary School, this intersection is extremely significant and must be fixed," he said in a letter to the Weekly.

Yanagisawa, a Boy Scout with Troop 5, is trying to make the intersection safer as a fulfillment of his Communication Merit Badge, which he needs to become an Eagle Scout, he said in a phone interview.

He has heard many of the crashes while in his home and has documented them for about a year, he said.

"It makes me scared that someone I might know might be in one of them," he said.

His research has stretched beyond the year, however. He discovered that at least 13 car collisions have happened at the intersection since Sept. 28, 2015. Nine took place during this school year alone, with six between Jan. 6 and April 19, he said.

The collisions have been happening during rush hours, which are also when kids go to and from school. The intersection is used by students biking to Palo Alto High School, he noted.

"These accidents have been occurring for as long as I can remember. However, they have usually been mild fender benders. Lately, they have been intensifying in severity," he said.

On Jan. 18, a car jumped the curb and hit the school's sign. On March 12, "at least two airbags were opened, and an ambulance as well as the fire department were called to assist one of the drivers who had hurt their neck," Yanagisawa said.

"There are probably many complex reasons to why this is occurring, but one thing is clear: The frequency of these accidents at this intersection has been increasing dangerously," he said.

The city made some minor changes to Middlefield last summer, narrowing a lane to slow traffic and painting speed limits on the road in reflective paint. But the repairs haven't improved safeety. Two collisions on April 19 involved three and four cars, he noted.

Mark Crady, another nearby resident, has also contacted the city.

"I live a half block away from the intersection. It is stunning how bad it is. Especially given how many school kids end up crossing there to Addison and to Paly," he said in an email.

Laura Sturino and her two children were struck by a mini van in December 2011 at the Lincoln and Middlefield intersection.

There were many cars parked along the road, heavy traffic on Middlefield and a steady stream of vehicles on Lincoln that were trying to cross Middlefield, she said in an email. She made sure to make eye contact with the driver at the stop sign on Lincoln, checked to see no one was coming from the other direction and began to cross, making sure the driver at the stop sign knew they were coming.

But another driver, a father who was dropping his children off at school was parked on Middlefield. He suddenly pulled out quickly to cross the Middlefield traffic and drove onto Lincoln, striking Sturino and her children, she said.

"I took the brunt of the hit. The boys miraculously were only scraped and in complete shock, but otherwise unhurt. We were taken to urgent care by neighbors who witnessed the accident. We mainly just suffered bruising. The bruising on my face was the worst of it. I stepped in front of the boys at the last minute, as I saw the minivan peripherally and was hit in the face by the hood of the minivan," she said.

"He never saw us until we were directly in front of him. The traffic on the street and the sunlight in the morning affected his visibility."

Sturino went to the police department to report the collision.

"I wanted there to be a record since I had seen countless close calls and wanted to make sure whoever was looking at the traffic knew what happened. We spoke to the city planner when they were considering making changes during the Safe Routes to Schools campaign at Addison that year, but he said that there wasn't much they could do," she said.

The city did make recent changes to Middlefield, including raising the center of the street, but they haven't helped, she added.

"From living on Middlefield, I can tell you the situation has gotten worse. There are more accidents and even more close calls. I don't believe a child or a pedestrian has been hit since my accident, but it's just a matter of time. I worry about what will happen when there is an increase of construction traffic to Addison Elementary starting this summer with the demolition and renovation of the Multipurpose room, etc.," she wrote.

Police department data indicate that officers took 19 collision reports at the intersection between Jan. 1, 2010 and May 22, 2018, according to Capt. Zach Perron. In almost all of the incidents, drivers on Lincoln pulled into Middlefield traffic and caused the collision, he stated in an email.

"While some of the collisions resulted in injury, those injuries were generally minor in nature. None were major-injury collisions," he said.

Craig Yanagisawa, Coleman's father, said police reports don't tell the entire story. In some cases, motorists exchanged insurance information but did not contact the police.

City Chief Transportation Official Joshuah Mello said in an email the city plans to address the Lincoln intersection.

"This intersection, as well as the intersection of Middlefield Road and Forest Avenue, are definitely on our radar. The latter was recently ranked as the highest collision intersection in the city," Mello said.

"We are currently working with residents in Crescent Park to address the regional traffic impacts on neighborhood streets, including Hamilton, Forest and Lincoln. Our goal is to implement a traffic-calming pilot project this fall that will aim to reduce both the speeds and volumes of traffic on local streets," he said.

In addition to Middlefield and Forest, four other intersections with Middlefield in north Palo Alto are on the city's list of top 10 most accident-prone locations, based on data from 2010 to 2016: Forest Avenue had nine collisions; Channing Avenue had six; University Avenue had six; Everett Avenue five; and Hawthorne Avenue five, according to the city's Traffic Safety and Operations 2017 Report.

The city worked on the Channing and Hawthorne intersections in 2017 and is continuing to do so this year.

Crady, a resident, said he found the city's data suspect, however. He noted that the city takes its data from the Statewide Integrated Traffic Records System (SWITRS) database, which is maintained by the California Highway Patrol.

"There are only eight accidents recorded at Lincoln and Middlefield in the SWITRS database over those five years. I see eight accidents per year where police are called to the scene," he said.

Coleman Yanagisawa said the city should add traffic signals at the Lincoln intersection.

"While this may be costly, it will prevent further accidents and injuries from happening," he said.

Comments

Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:38 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:38 am

Here is their propganda machine at work,again. I bet next they want to convert Middlefield into bicycle only boulevard.

This traffic calming is absurd. All it has accomplished is; gridlock, more accidents, and the fleecing of our city, state, and federal coffers.

NO MORE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES!!!!!!

This has to stop now!


@ Josh Mello
Midtown
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:42 am
@ Josh Mello, Midtown
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:42 am

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:52 am
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:52 am

I have kids at Addison. I walk to school with them every weekday morning, so I've seen two of the accidents that occurred at Lincoln and Middlefield this past year.

Lincoln is used as a through street by drivers moving between 101 and Alma, Stanford, or other points west because it avoids congested intersections elsewhere on Middlefield. People are becoming more aware of it because Waze recommends it. I measure traffic on Lincoln from time to time; it's currently about 2000 cars/day, and going up at a fairly consistent 10%/year.

So I see this as another "canary in the coal mine" warning about local traffic. Cut-through in all the neighborhoods is increasing. Safety hazards are increasing as a consequence.

Changing development and transportation policies would be the best fix, but failing that, we'll need to add more traffic controls to nudge cars out of the neighborhoods and back onto the arterials. A signal at the intersection is probably a good way to start.


parent
Old Palo Alto
on Jun 3, 2018 at 9:46 am
parent, Old Palo Alto
on Jun 3, 2018 at 9:46 am

The solution is simple. We need more traffic lights on Middlefield, in both north Palo Alto and south Palo Alto. Current traffic levels are too heavy and too fast for stop signs that most car drivers at best treat as yield signs.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 3, 2018 at 9:51 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 9:51 am

Josh should leave Middlefield alone before he does even more damage. His bulb-outs at intersections make it even more dangerous to merge onto Middlefield. His recent elimination of the right turn lane at Embarcadero backs up southbound traffic all the way to Addison and past it. Sticking Botts dots and poles at just about every intersection prevents drivers from escaping the Middlefield bottlenecks, The restriping to eliminate and/or narrow lanes means more cars get stuck in the middle of intersections during peak times with inevitable collisions and near-misses.

"I measure traffic on Lincoln from time to time; it's currently about 2000 cars/day, and going up at a fairly consistent 10%/year."

Adding more and more commuters WHILE narrowing roads and adding tens of mi;lions of dollars for road furniture is the height of insanity and irresponsibility.


parent
Old Palo Alto
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:00 am
parent, Old Palo Alto
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:00 am

The road furniture on Middlefield was an attempt to make the street crossings safer without having to add stop lights or remove car parking. If this has failed, we need to look hard at putting in real stop lights as well as removing car parking at least near dangerous intersections.


Downtown Mamacita
Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:14 am
Downtown Mamacita, Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:14 am

I live in downtown Palo Alto. I have seen numerous accidents and close incidents over the years. Not all accidents get reported. Everyday I see multi-tasking commuters rushing down our downtown streets not paying attention to driving. I have seen so many cars go the wrong way down one way streets located downtown resulting in some minor and major accidents.

We NEED more stop signs and speed bumps especially near a school. If we want to keep living on this earth, then we needs to reduce carbon emissions, so I totally support more safety for bikes on the road.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:21 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:21 am

@parent, the road furniture is an expensive disaster that backs up traffic and sends people miles out of their way. Crossing guards could handle the 2 hours a day needed to protect the kids 5 days a week 9 months out of the year without making life so much tougher for everyone 24 hours a day every day of the year a lot more cheaply.

Look at the recent mess the new restriping and new traffic light configuration caused at Embarcadero. Parents started a petition and complained vehemently.

The "bike mafia" defends Josh for his Middlefield mess re Jordan etc. "because he was new" when in fact he'd been on the job and was being quoted in the media for at least 9 months. His outreach remains problematic. The the clearance at N. Cal is still so narrow, large vehicles still can't handle turn without cars backing up for them.

When confronted with the messes he's made, he spends more money on consultants see whether "it's appropriate and feasible" to fix, for example, the Ross Road debacle that more than 1,000 people protested. That was back in March. What have the "consultants" found?


Middlefield Resident
Registered user
Community Center
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:55 am
Middlefield Resident, Community Center
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 10:55 am

We live on Middlefield near Addison and share the concern about the worsening number of accidents, that have also affected us (for example, in costing us $80,000 in property damage).

We see three main problems that lead to this higher incidence of accidents:

1. The increase of the number of cars on Middlefield
2. The increase in the speed of the cars (sometimes reaching 50 MPH, as the Middlefield signal lights are usually all green)
3. The nationwide epidemic of drivers who don't pay attention while driving

To address points 1 and 2, we advocate the implementation of speed bumps on Middefield, to discourage speeding and even heavier use of Middlefield.

We do not support the suggestion of another traffic light at Lincoln as we already have two nearby and ineffective traffic lights (Melville and Addison, which might be more effective if flashing red 24/7). During commute peaks such as 8 AM and 5 PM, Middlefield becomes a parking lot. At other times, Middlefield becomes a high speed danger.

To address point 3, we propose a better marked pedestrian crosswalk, with flashing lights and crosswalk lighting markers. Inattentive drivers might pay more attention if pedestrians and cyclists were more visible. In adddition, the many school kids and their parents could use this safety measure.

In closing, we laud the efforts of student Coleman Yanagisawa and hope that his leadership might finally activate our city government to do something.


rush hour
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2018 at 1:09 pm
rush hour , Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2018 at 1:09 pm

Allen

"So I see this as another "canary in the coal mine" warning about local traffic. Cut-through in all the neighborhoods is increasing. Safety hazards are increasing as a consequence."

Yes, and the warning that Palo Alto is not equipped to handle more office growth.

The City is apparently not even tracking safety issues, it took a caring High School student to bring this up.





Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 1:28 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 1:28 pm
Resident
University South
on Jun 3, 2018 at 1:45 pm
Resident , University South
on Jun 3, 2018 at 1:45 pm

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Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 3, 2018 at 2:51 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 2:51 pm

@Middlefield Resident:

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the problem at this particular intersection is that people are trying to zoom across Middlefield on Lincoln. (I think Capt. Perron's comments support this.) Accidents are happening during the commute, when the Middlefield traffic is already slow, and there's just too much of it for the gaps to be frequent enough or big enough for the cars on Lincoln to cross safely. So we need to find some way to control or reduce the number of the cars on Lincoln that are trying to cross Middlefield.

Lincoln already has lots of speed bumps on the east side of Middlefield, so the next step might be to put a signal at the intersection. I suppose we could also close one or both lanes of Lincoln in order to cut down the number of people trying to cross, though I haven't seen a lot of support for that sort of thing in the past.

When I've brought up adding speed bumps, I've been told that the City prefers not to use them on heavily-traveled roads because they interfere with emergency vehicles. There are some alternatives and some special speed bump designs that might still be worth considering, though. I've got a reference somewhere which I can't find at the moment, but if you're interested I'll try harder to track it down.

@rush hour: "Yes, and the warning that Palo Alto is not equipped to handle more office growth."

Absolutely right.


CrescentParkAnon.
Crescent Park
on Jun 3, 2018 at 3:51 pm
CrescentParkAnon., Crescent Park
on Jun 3, 2018 at 3:51 pm

I have been here since the 70's and know Palo Alto traffic intimately. The
traffic of today is really not so bad, and not trending worse either. It has
been worse before actually.

The problem with Lincoln could be several things:

1. It could be the same problem on Lincoln and Middlefield as it is on
Alma, how drivers pile up while just trying to get through. It's hard
enough to make a right, but the people waiting to make a Left or go
straight have cars behind them where drivers boil over and make
erratic moves.

2. The nature of drivers has changed in Palo Alto. People do not come to
full stops any more, and they also often make dangerous moves where
"if" there was a car or person coming they would miss and cause an
accident. This is akin to just rolling the dice and hoping. I think the
habit of drivers is the main issue.

3. The "calming measures" on Middlefield end on the South side of Middlefield
and people may just be trying to take advantage of the two lanes or the
increased freedom to speed and get somewhere faster.

4. During times of traffic drivers should just go to the nearest street with
a traffic light, but lots of them do not thinking again they can roll the
dice and "win". Queuing theory says that in the long run you are going
to break even so save your sanity and everyone else's and go to the
streets with the lights where you get a guaranteed bandwidth eventually
and chill the **** out. (heck of course)

I have to confess that after being disappointed and skeptical about Middlefield,
I think the "calming measures" have not made anything worse, and maybe even
seems to help.

I know if I have to take Middlefield anywhere I just go into patience mode and
wait patiently and politely and chill until I get where I am going. The change
in mental attitude from thinking of the road as a race-track obstacle course
to speed through to a public conveyance that is going to take as long as it
takes is the key to me. It really does not good for yourself or anyone else to
get upset, angry or reckless. The secret to getting somewhere on time is
not to drive fast but to estimate travel time ... and we have that today like
no other time with real time traffic estimates built into directions on our
smart phones.

Key things to remember are to drive defensively, get out of other people's way,
don't be the person texting or daydreaming when the light turns green that
holds back any others, and be polite and considerate of others.

There is a built in feeling these days in the country, and in the local area
to get what you can get and be as selfish as you can be. Take before others
can take, go first and blame the other person. It is the ultimate result of
the way we have allowed our culture to evolve, and it is wrecking the whole
idea of civilization. Somehow people, and drivers, have to start to appreciate
that only thinking ones' self makes things worse and ultimately breaks everything.


CrescentParkAnon.
Crescent Park
on Jun 3, 2018 at 4:01 pm
CrescentParkAnon., Crescent Park
on Jun 3, 2018 at 4:01 pm

>> Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the problem at this particular intersection is that people are trying to zoom across Middlefield on Lincoln.

Could be ... but can we actually get some metrics on these accidents and others? What typically is actually happening. What do the accident reports actually say?

What about the time of day?

Does it have to do with school traffic or congestions, or rush hour morning or afternoon.

What is the difference between Lincoln and Kingsley. I appears from the map that Lincoln feeds a lot more area than Kinsley, going all the way down to University.

Maybe these are enough justifications for Lincoln deserving its own traffic light?




Resident
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Resident, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2018 at 4:37 pm

What will be interesting at these and other busy intersections now that school is out is to monitor the changes to traffic. If traffic is easier without school then regardless what may be said about congestion caused by workers driving into Palo Alto, the real problem may be school traffic.

Getting rid of school traffic could be a big help in reducing congestion.

We have a large number of students riding bikes, but we still have a large number being driven to school by parents. These are the ones that need to be persuaded to find other means of getting to school.


cy
Community Center
on Jun 3, 2018 at 4:46 pm
cy, Community Center
on Jun 3, 2018 at 4:46 pm

THERE'S A SCHOOL HERE.
There was at least 2 accidents last week at this intersection. That's at least 16 for the school year.
This part of Middlfield is a raceway at commute hours.

Please join our petition at;
Web Link


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 3, 2018 at 6:37 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 6:37 pm

@CrescentParkAnon:

Lincoln is the first turn off University from 101 that runs continuously (light-free, I think) to the Stanford side of downtown. It also runs on a diagonal, so it's shorter than many other routes. That appears to be why Waze and other navigation programs are recommending it.

Lincoln is also the first street north of Embarcadero that connects Middlefield and Alma, so it's used as a connector between those arterials.

I'm working on traffic counts for my nearest intersection (Waverley and Lincoln) for this year, so I'll eventually be able to say how much difference school traffic makes, but I don't have the answer yet.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 3, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 6:45 pm

"The City is apparently not even tracking safety issues, it took a caring High School student to bring this up."

It's not like the rest of Middlefield -- and Ross etc. -- residents haven't tried and failed for years and years to get a substantive response from the head of transportation, the head of planning, the city council, city management.... Maybe the caring HS student can help all of us get responses to our calls, emails, letters and petitions.

We told them years ago that restriping Middlefield was dangerous and unnecessary. Now we've got 5 or more cars zooming down the wrong lanes trying to get into the correct turn lane so they don't have to wait through 3 or more light cycles. Absolutely idiotic.

"Getting rid of school traffic could be a big help in reducing congestion."

Of course it would. School schedules are known.. But is the city doing anything to bring back school buses or even to adjust the shuttle schedules to reflect the school schedules. We've asked and asked for that and get no response. Why bother looking at cost-effective sensible solutions when you've got a blank check.

Evidently they think it's so much better to waste tens of millions of dollars on road barriers than on school buses and crossing guards.



Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 7:24 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 3, 2018 at 7:24 pm
rush hour
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2018 at 7:25 pm
rush hour , Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 3, 2018 at 7:25 pm

Online name,

"It's not like the rest of Middlefield -- and Ross etc. -- residents haven't tried and failed for years and years to get a substantive response from the head of transportation, the head of planning, the city council, city management...."

Confirms that the City does not track changes in safety issues and it relies on letters from the public?

We have the most high maintenance Council and City government, where it's up to the concerned public to write letters and petitions to do basic management.

Because of increasing cut through traffic everywhere, almost every Palo Alto corner could probably use a light but that has unintended consequences. Is it possible to have a light for use during school hours? Or crossing guards at Lincoln? Cost benefit? Benefit of a light or coursing guards is safety. The cost could be made up with an office growth/business tax.

Whoever said that the traffic of today "isn't so bad" - any data? Does the City have any data?


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 3, 2018 at 7:51 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 7:51 pm

@Rush hour. I never said "Confirms that the City does not track changes in safety issues and it relies on letters from the public?" Who would know what they track since most of us never get responses. They did announce some type of tracking system recently that figures out how long you spend at various intersections but that only applies to drivers with certain types of cell phone connections.

"The cost could be made up with an office growth/business tax."

Of course it could but the city council -- unlike neighboring cities -- won't even consider that. Instead, they expect us to absorb more commuters, huge growth at Stanford and give Casti its own "Lexus lane" on Embarcadero even though they've been over their enrollment cap and still want to add even more students.

And for the residents to accept a tax increase for more infrastructure "improvements." You've heard about trying to shove 10 lbs into a 5 lb bag? They want us to shove an ever increasing number of commuters -- 15 lbs, then 20 lbs etc. into an ever decreasing bag due to lane reductions, road furniture etc.


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:44 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 3, 2018 at 8:44 pm

@rush hour: "Does the City have any data?"

So far as I've been able to learn, the City has decent data for major intersections, very sparse data for collector-level streets, nothing for neighborhoods. The best publicly-available data comes from Environmental Impact Reports like the one for the Stanford GUP.

This isn't as useful as you'd hope. For example, if major intersections saturate, and traffic spills over into the neighborhoods instead, that won't show up in the data.

There are people pursuing this, and they tell me that better data collection is under negotiation. I'm not convinced yet that there's enough coverage of the neighborhoods or validation of the data. We might have to crowdsource data for the areas we care about, so I'm looking into that.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 3:04 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 3:04 am
Resident (formerly)
Midtown
on Jun 4, 2018 at 3:18 am
Resident (formerly), Midtown
on Jun 4, 2018 at 3:18 am

Hey folks. I used to post on here a lot. I have moved to a smaller town in a red state.
The roads are beautiful. No bike lanes or road furniture whatsoever. Free-flowing traffic. Optimal efficiency.
There is one pedestrian crossing that is actually defunct. Its like they shut it down and removed the crossing lights in order to help traffic flow better. It was hard for me to cross the street because cars move so fast and flow so smoothly. I had two walk 3 blocks to find a crossing but I didn't mind at all! I was laughing at how awesome it is to see all the asphalt and road bandwidth given to BEAUTIFUL CARS.
There is nothing worse in the world than congested intersections and idling cars. Nothing worse.
Cars should be given priority over pedestrians and bicycles because they form 90+ PERCENT OF COMMUTERS (common sense, shocking!) and it's nice to live in a place where government is small and they clearly don't have all this excess time and money on their hands to fiddle with the roads and try to re-engineer society.
So refreshing.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 7:18 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 7:18 am

@Resident (formerly)

Also more than 90% of the car comuters pay alot in vehicle registration fees. I paid $140 for a 15 year old vehicle the other day. bicycles should pay the same if they want all this new road furniture.

I am sure the new bulbouts on Middlefield are part of the cause for the rash of latest accidents around Lincoln.

We need a new study done,on the ill effects of all the new traffic furniture, and not by Mello's own group of cronies.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 7:29 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 7:29 am

"He has found at least 13 car collisions at the intersection since Sept. 28, 2015, with the number of incidents having risen in the past two years. Nine of the incidents occurred during this school year alone, with six collisions between Jan. 6 and April 19, he said."

Boscouts don't lie, The new traffic furniture began construction before the school year. his own data indicates that the new traffic furniture installed on Middlefield is to blame.


Garden Gnome
Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 11:27 am
Garden Gnome, Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 11:27 am

The accident data in the report cited seem out of line with reality.

There have certainly been way more than 5 accidents at the Middlefield/Hamilton intersection, which isn't listed in the report.

And yes, that's even including only incidents to which police appeared.


Follow the money
Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 11:39 am
Follow the money, Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 11:39 am

>School schedules are known.. But is the city doing anything to bring back school buses or even to adjust the shuttle schedules to reflect the school schedules. We've asked and asked for that and get no response. Why bother looking at cost-effective sensible solutions when you've got a blank check.<

The city manager seems intent on spending as much as possible before he retires.
The vast amounts going to road 'fixes' that make things worse is ample evidence.
School buses and crossing guards are too economical for the big spender in charge. He has supporters to enrich.


Garden Gnome
Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Garden Gnome, Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:13 pm

Above, I incorrectly wrote, "The accident data in the report cited seem out of line with reality.

There have certainly been way more than 5 accidents at the Middlefield/Hamilton intersection, which isn't listed in the report.

And yes, that's even including only incidents to which police appeared."

In fact, the table reports collisions per MILLION vehicles:

"Table shows the highest number of reported collisions at intersections and collision rate which is expressed in collisions per million vehicles entering the intersection."

Still plenty high, of course...


Wayne Martin
Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:16 pm
Wayne Martin, Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:16 pm

> He noted that the city takes its data from the Statewide
> Integrated Traffic Records System (SWITRS) database,

This is true, but SWITRS gets its data from Palo Alto, as well as all of the hundreds of reporting agencies in the first place.

For some years now, the Palo Alto police have declined to come to minor traffic accidents--only responding to injury accidents or accidents where one/more of the vehicles has been rendered non-functional. This leads to a clear perception difference between people living near a given intersection, and any data about accidents at that intersection maintained by SWITRS.

I have downloaded the SWIITRS accident data for 2012-2016. There are only two accidents at Middlefield/Lincoln in the 2016 data.

The top ten high-incident intersections from my studies are:

Primary Rd Secondary Rd 5-Year Avg 5-Year
MIDDLEFIELD RD EVERETT AV 6.8 34
RT 82/EL CAMINO REAL PAGE MILL RD 6.6 33
RT 82/EL CAMINO REAL EMBARCADERO RD 6.4 32
RT 82/EL CAMINO REAL QUARRY RD 6.4 32
MIDDLEFIELD RD FOREST AV 5.8 29
UNIVERSITY AV MIDDLEFIELD RD 5.6 28
RT 82/EL CAMINO REAL CAMBRIDGE AV 4.4 22
EMBARCADERO RD EAST BAYSHORE RD 4.4 22
PAGE MILL RD HANOVER ST 4.4 22

(Tabular data does not present well on this WEB-site, so this data will be hard to read.) I looked for all of the accidents at intersections in Palo Alto from 2012-2016. The column "5-year" is the sum of the accidents at that corner. The column
5-year avg" is the five-year average.

This list is somewhat different from that in the traffic report produced by the City for 2017. As it turns out, there are a number of ways to count accidents in/around intersections, so each researcher will probably come up with slightly different numbers.

I was out walking not too long ago when an accident occurred at this intersection. It was a Sunday morning around 10:30AM. There was very little traffic on Middlefield and even less on Lincoln. Yet, somehow, the vehicle on Middlefield and the vehicle on Lincoln managed to crash into each other.

(Note--The CHP indicates that the 2017 data will not likely be "stable" until after August.)


Corner resident
Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:40 pm
Corner resident, Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:40 pm

Lincoln is also a "truck route", so traffic flow problems are compounded by this designation. Cowper and Lincoln intersection is subject to collisions constantly, and not only during commute hours. Drivers are racing down streets throughout the city, with very little, if any, sense of responsibility to their surroundings.

Los Altos Hills requested that Waze remove a contentious route suggestion there; can Palo Alto do the same for Lincoln? Residential and school neighborhoods should not be held hostage by an app suggesting traffic routes through them. Other cities across the country are finding ways to push back against Waze.

A traffic light seems to be an overkill, as there is one at Addison, but the pedestrian crossing flashing lights that have been installed on other streets could be helpful on the four corners of Middlefield and Lincoln. Or more speed bumps on Lincoln, which drivers do not like! But this is not a popularity issue; it is a safety issue! OR a traffic directing sign at Lincoln and Middlefield, such as at Alma and Churchill for the Paly students.


Richard
Meadow Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:48 pm
Richard, Meadow Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 12:48 pm

Please do not cast the "bad guys" as "bike mafia". We are bicyclists, and now avoid Ross at all cost, especially the insane Meadow+Ross, but really just "no Ross". The new traffic "solution" is not benefitting anyone maybe except the construction companies.

Sooner or later, there will be someone being hurt severely, and there will be a lawsuit. Whoever sits on the City Council better prepare for that.


Anonymous
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 4, 2018 at 1:14 pm
Anonymous, Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 4, 2018 at 1:14 pm

I’m interested in what Coleman has to say and issues he raises, though I don’t live near that intersection and know little about it. A few semi-related comments: I live on a narrow, cut-through street and traffic apps are likely sending speeders down it, making it difficult to back outnif one’s driveway. This is near an elementary school, too, and I am all for supporting young chikdren walking/biking to school.
Meanwhile, I am concerned about the changes to Louis Rd. This is a major transit road with clear sight lines and high quality bike lane. There hasn’t seemed to be ANY problems! Even so, the City of PA is apparently re-doing Louis in a fashion similar to Ross. Is this necessary? Yes, it is slowing down my reasonable cross-city transit. I wasn’t speeding to begin with and haven’t observed other problems on Louis. Yet, it’s being oddly re-configured at great taxpayer expense.. Will it be improved!? Or is it a ploy to frustrate and annoy drivers!? I wonder. I won’t resort to unsafe driving, but I AM annoyed the City chooses to make it an obstacle coursevto drive in a routine fashion across this city.
I don’t agree with pushing traffic onto smaller residential streets to “punish” drivers. I also dislike traffic apps (note how awful they punish Los Gatos residents in recent news). So there are a variety of CREATED problems.....


Go go go
Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 2:09 pm
Go go go, Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 2:09 pm

Josh, why isn't Channing and Middlefield on your radar?

"Five intersections at Middlefield in north Palo Alto are in the top 10 list of where collisions occur from 2010 to 2016: Forest Avenue (9); Channing Avenue (6)..."

"This intersection (Lincoln), as well as the intersection of Middlefield Road and Forest Avenue, are definitely on our radar. We are currently working with residents in Crescent Park to address the regional traffic impacts on neighborhood streets, including Hamilton, Forest and Lincoln"

Channing has traffic and safety issues as well.


W. Reller
Registered user
Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 2:13 pm
W. Reller, Crescent Park
Registered user
on Jun 4, 2018 at 2:13 pm

I travel that intersection on an almost daily basis, albeit, not during the heaviest of traffic. I have never encountered and accident but do wait my turn. I would think twice about traffic lights three blocks in a row.


Clare McIntosh
Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 3:13 pm
Clare McIntosh, Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 3:13 pm

I grew up on Lincoln and my parents still live there. People drive way to fast on Lincoln- at Bryant Street there are regularly accidents as well as Middlefield. I counted a couple Fridays ago from 4:00-4:30 and 38 of the 64 cars that drove past my parents house had uber or lift signs- and every one of them was speeding and not yielding to anyone backing out of their driveway or parking. There is way too much cut through traffic


Mike
University South
on Jun 4, 2018 at 4:10 pm
Mike, University South
on Jun 4, 2018 at 4:10 pm

"Channing has traffic and safety issues as well."

Channing and Homer are one-way speedways, complete with passing lanes. Channing is especially dangerous as it approaches Middlefield because it is a wide open speedway for the several blocks between Waverley and Middlefield. Drivers often rush to beat the signal at Middlefield, where they meet up with the overeager Middlefield commuters.

Spectacular crashes are very frequent where Channing intersects Cowper. Demo derby fans, bring your folding chairs and coolers, but be sure to set up on the west side opposite the line of fire.


CresentParkAnon.
Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 5:28 pm
CresentParkAnon., Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 5:28 pm

How many of these perceptions are enforcement issues. In most of the places mentioned, the signs are set up clearly to avoid collisions, and especially on one-way streets navigation should be easier since one only has to look one way. People just do not care about laws and do whatever they want. I don't think there is any traffic calming measures to combat jerk drivers with no respect for the law.

Are some of these things cultural things, age things ( old or young ), impatience things, cellphone things. displays of auto status or prowess, or all of the above?

I can't remember the last time I ever say anyone on our city streets getting pulled over and ticketed, or even talked to. Don't underestimate the goodwill and learning experience it can be for a person who is breaking the traffic laws to be pulled over and just talked to, without a ticket. It is like the transactional experience they seek in a store when they give you a free sample, people often feel obligated to buy something only in this case I think people think a lot more about what they actually did and changing their behavior. I'd like to see some evidence that our police are enforcing the traffic laws.

OR ... how about this, let's let people bring in their own windshield cameras for interpretation by the traffic dept. and call up and warn particularly bad drivers that they have been complained about.

Back to the point about Lincoln though, what has been the conclusion on installing a traffic light there?


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 9:25 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 4, 2018 at 9:25 pm

@ Richard

You should call Josh Mello and voice your disapproval of his traffic calming projects. How much was Ross Road? $13,000,000!?


Wayne Martin
Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 10:23 pm
Wayne Martin, Professorville
on Jun 4, 2018 at 10:23 pm

> I can't remember the last time I ever saw anyone on our
> city streets getting pulled over and ticketed, or even talked to.

The City has started posting more data on its web-site than in previous years. One such posting contains the number of citations issued by the police. For 2016, there were 6799 citations and 5708 for 2017. Each citation requires a traffic stop.

The police conducted about 54% of the 2017 traffic stops on the following streets:
Primary Road Stop Count
EL CAMINO REAL 955
MIDDLEFIELD 441
OREGON EXPWY 167
PAGE MILL 94
CHARLESTON 122
EMBARCADERO 335
UNIVERSITY 511
ALMA 462


CrescentParkAnon.
Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 11:46 pm
CrescentParkAnon., Crescent Park
on Jun 4, 2018 at 11:46 pm

Wayne Martin thanks for the data.

I think ticket data needs more in-depth understanding.

Anecdotal evidence is problematic, but I can only go by my own experience.
I have not seen many traffic stops personally, and have not gotten stopped
myself for a long time except for two experiences in the last maybe 10 years.
I can only wonder why officers ticket the way they do, and of course everyone
is critical of the police when they get stopped or a ticket, but I can only
express my point of view. Whenever I drive I see several situations that to
me would warrant giving someone a ticket.

One early morning I was out driving to think and I drove down to the Baylands
to go for a walk, and realized it was not opened turned around to go back.
There was no traffic at all but immediately out of nowhere a police cruiser pulled
behind me like I just robbed a bank and I basically got a ticket for that. The
reason quoted was that the female officer said that my wheels had gone into the
bicycle lane, which they had not, and even if they had - so what? This did not
teach me anything, or help anyone. An officer was presumably doing nothing
out at the Baylands at the time and maybe saw a way to fill a quota or show
some supposedly productive work. A ticket should have some reason to it
other than a nominal infraction occurred. If everyone whose wheels touched
a bicycle lane got a ticket the courts would be flooded.

Palo Alto could fund itself by giving tickets to the number of people who
brazenly run red lights on Channing from Middlefield to St. Francis, but I
rarely see police cruisers there. So, the police may be giving expedient
tickets only in the places where they go, catching nominal violators but not
really the ones who deserve them.

The last time was a little better. I was on El Camino and was pulled over
due to a my middle brake light being out. It was late night and I approve
very much of officers pulling people over who are driving suspiciously, but
I was not. He did the check and I was off without a ticket in minutes. I had
the tools and light necessary to change the light in my car and would have if
I needed to. This seems to happen to me a lot, but I still see lots and lots
of other cars driving without headlights or missing a light. It must have just
burnt out and I would have changed it as soon as I knew about it.

My point is these numbers do not tell the full story. I theorize maybe police
are quick to pull people over when it is really not necessary, and give tickets
to validate their work time. Maybe it doesn't matter what my opinion on a
given traffic stop is, but whatever they are doing is not having the desired
effect. That is, it is not changing people's mass behavior, which is why I
suggested another way to look at things.

There are also a lot of hot spots in our traffic configurations that do not
so much catch bad drivers, but indicate bad configurations. I'm just
suggesting that perhaps a lot of depth and thought is not going into this
and that is why the problem is not being addressed.

In the case of Lincoln, one thing to do might be to put up a simple sign
that says drive carefully in both directions. As is the case in some
psychological experience where people were more likely to be honest
when they feel like they are being watched, or primed to be self-
observant, put a set of eyes on the signs.

As Allen Akin mentioned above there are a few reasons why Lincoln will
have more traffic than other roads in this location and reasons why the
traffic may behave differently. Maybe right-turn only signs might induce
those who want to go left to take streets with lights on them?


LWAboott
University South
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:09 am
LWAboott, University South
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:09 am

I live half a block from the intersection of Lincoln and Middlefield. I have heard so many of these accidents from my house that as soon as I hear the squeal of brakes, I brace myself for the imminent crash. We DO NOT need another traffic light there. Traffic lights are the most inefficient means of controlling traffic available. Cars stack up in a heap and move along in a heap, spewing fumes while they wait. There are two crosswalks on Lincoln on the block west of Middlefield; these would be blocked by cars waiting to move through the light, forcing children to duck between them to get to Addison for school. I have given up on making a left turn onto Middlefield from Lincoln, a maneuver that was easy five years ago and has become death defying. Why not make Lincoln right turn only during heavy traffic times? Easy, and cheap.


Go PA
Midtown
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:52 am
Go PA , Midtown
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:52 am

Thank you all for sharing your interesting points — I esp. love finding your references to sources, all the more strengthening our arguments AGAINST “traffic-calming” initiatives. Fight the good fight, we WILL make changes! :)


And then...
Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 5, 2018 at 10:22 am
And then..., Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 5, 2018 at 10:22 am
Bicycle Mafia? Seriously?
Registered user
Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:43 am
Bicycle Mafia? Seriously?, Duveneck/St. Francis
Registered user
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:43 am

A boy, a Boy Scout, is part of a "bicycle mafia"?

The same writer says that Ross Road cost $13 million. Ummmm...WRONG. Fake facts should be deleted, PA Online. You know the correct numbers.

We are talking about safety for PEOPLE, some of whom are not old enough to have a drivers license yet. When you get your driver's license , you are accepting responsibility to abide by the law. If more drivers were behaving well, no road improvements would be needed.

So....speaking as one driver (who also happens to walk or ride a bike now and then) to others, let's all BEHAVE better!

I agree with the last post. Crickets! Grow up, Palo Alto! It is just sad when the kids sound more mature than the adult road users.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:58 am
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:58 am

Why don't you give us the "real numbers" for all the traffic "calming" starting with the erroneous and expensive 3-d model for making all of Middlefield a bike lane, a project rejected decades ago because the street was traffic was too crowded then? Isn't the next phase about $10,000,000? Aren't they seeking yet another tax increase for more bike lane "improvements"?

How are you making people "safer" when you implement designs that leave cars stuck in the middle of major intersections and restriping that results in 5 cars per light cycle are zooming down their own lanes or painting separate bike and pedestrian crosswalks that the kids ignored after the first few days?


Wayne Martin
Professorville
on Jun 5, 2018 at 12:28 pm
Wayne Martin, Professorville
on Jun 5, 2018 at 12:28 pm

@CrescentParkAnon.--

BTW, about 50% of the citations issued were "warnings"--which presumably meant that the officer instructed the motorist about why he/she was stopped.


Johnny
Charleston Gardens
on Jun 5, 2018 at 12:39 pm
Johnny, Charleston Gardens
on Jun 5, 2018 at 12:39 pm
Re: "Bike Mafia"
Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 pm
Re: "Bike Mafia", Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 pm

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]


Rush hour
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 5, 2018 at 6:40 pm
Rush hour, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 5, 2018 at 6:40 pm

LWAboott,

"Why not make Lincoln right turn only during heavy traffic times? Easy, and cheap."

This sounds very reasonable and it could help make the intersection safer.





Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 5, 2018 at 7:29 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 5, 2018 at 7:29 pm

"Why not make Lincoln right turn only during heavy traffic times? Easy, and cheap."

It's not a bad idea, but it didn't work when it was tried just up the street at Everett and Middlefield. If there's not active long-term enforcement, people quickly learn they can ignore the signs. The Police Department is too small to provide long-term enforcement everywhere we could use it.


Rush hour
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 5, 2018 at 7:52 pm
Rush hour, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 5, 2018 at 7:52 pm


Allen Akin

"If there's not active long-term enforcement"

How about cameras?

Fines could help pay for the initial cost.


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:35 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:35 pm

"How about cameras?"

There are no enforcement cameras in Santa Clara County. They've been controversial for a long time because of conflicting results from studies of how well they work. But I suspect the real problem is that the companies that maintain and run them charge quite a lot, and if the cameras become effective, that dries up the revenue stream the cities use to pay the costs.


CrescentParkAnon.
Crescent Park
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:56 pm
CrescentParkAnon., Crescent Park
on Jun 5, 2018 at 8:56 pm

>> "Why not make Lincoln right turn only during heavy traffic times? Easy, and cheap."

> It's not a bad idea, but it didn't work when it was tried just up the street at Everett and Middlefield.

Putting in a barrier in the middle of Middlefield 20-30 feet before and after Lincoln so cars cannot cross the street there without going through the barrier might help.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:30 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:30 pm

We need to give more education for the public. How many times a day have we seen pedestrians glued to their cell phones walking into traffic? How about kids riding three abreast in the road because mommy and daddy told them that it is their right to do so. When we grew up here in the seventies, we had bike lanes too. And if you did not follow the rules of the road there were severe consequences to be paid.This was how it was. Not now, if some uneducated kid darts in the road it is automatically assumed it is the vehicles fault. How did we get here?

As far as Ross Road goes how many complaints have we got for this project?

News Flash your kids are not the only one sharing the road.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:40 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 5, 2018 at 11:40 pm

Teach your kids to use one of the other lights (Addison), it is only a block away.

If the area is that dangerous, why would you want to live there?


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 12:01 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 12:01 am

@ Re: Bicycle Mafia

So tell us what are the correct numbers for how much it cost to put in Ross Road? Please include State and Federal grants, after all this money was not free. Do not forget The EIR's. City council time ect....

It is about time we have an adult conversation about the fleecing of our tax money.


Johnny
Charleston Meadows
on Jun 6, 2018 at 2:30 am
Johnny, Charleston Meadows
on Jun 6, 2018 at 2:30 am

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 6, 2018 at 6:26 am
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 6, 2018 at 6:26 am

"Teach your kids to use one of the other lights (Addison), it is only a block away."

From talking to parents whose kids use this route, I gather the problem comes from trying to cross Lincoln, not trying to cross Middlefield. Drivers on Lincoln zoom across Middlefield, putting pedestrians and cyclists who are crossing Lincoln at risk. Kids already use the Addison light (and crossing guard) to cross Middlefield.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 8:12 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 8:12 am

The kids need to cross Lincoln at an intersection, not in the middle of a blind corner....This is where the education part comes in play.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 8:24 am
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 8:24 am

The City had to put out a video showing the Fire Departments ladder truck could make it around the island at Meadow and Ross.....of course it can, the rear wheels turn! Let's see a video of a normal truck try to navigate. They know they made a mistake. Web Link



Dang
Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 6, 2018 at 10:02 am
Dang, Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 6, 2018 at 10:02 am
@Bicycle Mafia
Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 6, 2018 at 10:09 am
@Bicycle Mafia, Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 6, 2018 at 10:09 am

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 4:17 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 4:17 pm

@@Bicycle Mafia

Please repost I never had a chance to read your rebuttal.


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 6, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 6, 2018 at 5:14 pm

"The kids need to cross Lincoln at an intersection, not in the middle of a blind corner..."

Could you explain this a little more? Lincoln and Middlefield is a normal intersection, not any different from Addison and Middlefield except that Addison has signals.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 5:38 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 5:38 pm

A lot of bicyclists, will ride on the wrong side of the road. Furthermore, many times after making a right or left turn, bikes will cross the road in the middle of the block.

For example, you are traveling North bound on Middlefield, after turning left on Lincoln there is a group of bikes in the middle of the road,weaving back and forth, like they are playing in a park and/or crossing the street to travel on the opposite side of the road.

Again, we need more education in our schools,and other media, on how to commute in public. This goes for pedestrians and vehicles.

The traffic calming is not the answer.


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 6, 2018 at 5:59 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 6, 2018 at 5:59 pm

Ah, I understand now. You're only thinking of misbehavior by bicylists. Most of the elementary school kids are pedestrians. Changes to the intersection make a lot more sense for pedestrians, and have the fringe benefit that they also improve safety for cyclists, even those who misbehave.


Bicycle Mafia
Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 7:37 pm
Bicycle Mafia, Downtown North
on Jun 6, 2018 at 7:37 pm

I printed that there is a problem with pedestrians. You know, the ones with their noses glued to their smart phones.

The new bulbouts are not the answer.


Allen Akin
Registered user
Professorville
on Jun 6, 2018 at 9:06 pm
Allen Akin, Professorville
Registered user
on Jun 6, 2018 at 9:06 pm

At Lincoln and Middlefield, cars are running into cars, and the traffic pattern that causes this is also dangerous to kids who are walking to school. A signal, coordinated with the one at Addison, might be a good way to solve that problem. Altering the traffic flow on Lincoln might also help.

So far as I know, bulbouts haven't been proposed (and offhand, I don't see how they would help).


rita vrhel
Crescent Park
on Jun 8, 2018 at 9:16 am
rita vrhel, Crescent Park
on Jun 8, 2018 at 9:16 am

2 years ago a driver at Everett, who could not see down Middlefield because of traffic, gunned her car across the intersection and totaled my car. I ended up with the bigger loss as my car though old was a Toyota Camry and would have continued working very well.

Lincoln at Channing is also very dangerous a more and more drivers are using Lincoln to access 101. maybe simple 4- way stop signs would be worth a try and would also slow everyone down.

Let's meet and discuss before more concrete is poured or accidents continue.


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Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jun 8, 2018 at 9:29 am
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on Jun 8, 2018 at 9:29 am

Before the city approves any more "traffic calming" etc. projects, they need to provide the legally required data and stop throwing more money after bad!

Remember my question about what's happening with the contract Mr. Mello announced back in March to see if it's "feasible and appropriate" to fix existing problems? George Jaquette who started the Ross Rd petition about the $400,000 consultant contract and why it's impossible for them to do their study!

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