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Student walkouts Wednesday may affect traffic

Palo Alto police working with local agencies to patrol marches

Palo Alto police will join their counterparts in Atherton and Menlo Park to patrol students from several local schools taking part in walkouts on Wednesday to protest gun violence, which may affect traffic.

A statement from the Atherton Police Department says that between 1,500 and 2,000 students from Menlo-Atherton High School, Menlo School, and Sacred Heart Prep plan to leave their campuses at 10 a.m. and march from Atherton to El Camino Park in Palo Alto. The students will use Valparaiso Avenue, University Drive, Oak Grove Avenue and El Camino Real, according to the statement.

"Traffic will be heavily impacted on several streets between Atherton and Palo Alto. Take alternative routes to avoid congestion," police said.

Roads may be closed and traffic delayed or detoured, police said.

"The Atherton Police Department, the Menlo Park Police Department, and the Palo Alto Police Department thank you for your attention and understanding as we work to ensure the safety of the students and the public during this protest march," the statement says.

According to Menlo Park interim Police Chief Dave Bertini, organizers of the planned student protest have been in contact with police, and the Menlo Park, Atherton and Palo Alto police departments are working together on a plan to keep students safe during the march.

Inclement weather is expected, he added, so he's planning for the police department to be "on our toes to make sure everyone's safe."

Commuters can expect to last traffic delays from about 10:30 a.m. until 2 p.m. in the 100 block of El Camino Real due to the student march, police said in an advisory message issued Tuesday night.

Almanac Staff Writer Kate Bradshaw contributed to this report.

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23 people like this
Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 13, 2018 at 4:53 pm

I applaud students for making this stand (or walk out) but why oh why should they want to disrupt traffic to do so.

Can't they meet on the football field or similar. Since the walk out is supposed to be walking out of class and many of us would support them, why should they want to disrupt the lives of others to do so?

I support them in their protest, but not disrupting the lives of others. That is not a protest, it is totally inconsiderate.


59 people like this
Posted by Daniel
a resident of Menlo Park
on Mar 13, 2018 at 5:37 pm

Resident, may you not miss the forest for the trees.

Beat! Beat! Drums!

Beat! beat! drums!—blow! bugles! blow!
Through the windows—through doors—burst like a ruthless force,
Into the solemn church, and scatter the congregation,
Into the school where the scholar is studying,
Leave not the bridegroom quiet—no happiness must he have now with his bride,
Nor the peaceful farmer any peace, ploughing his field or gathering his grain,
So fierce you whirr and pound you drums—so shrill you bugles blow.

Beat! beat! drums!—blow! bugles! blow!
Over the traffic of cities—over the rumble of wheels in the streets;
Are beds prepared for sleepers at night in the houses? no sleepers must sleep in those beds,
No bargainers’ bargains by day—no brokers or speculators—would they continue?
Would the talkers be talking? would the singer attempt to sing?
Would the lawyer rise in the court to state his case before the judge?
Then rattle quicker, heavier drums—you bugles wilder blow.

Beat! beat! drums!—blow! bugles! blow!
Make no parley—stop for no expostulation,
Mind not the timid—mind not the weeper or prayer,
Mind not the old man beseeching the young man,
Let not the child’s voice be heard, nor the mother’s entreaties,
Make even the trestles to shake the dead where they lie awaiting the hearses,
So strong you thump O terrible drums—so loud you bugles blow.

-walt whitman


71 people like this
Posted by parent
a resident of Gunn High School
on Mar 13, 2018 at 5:56 pm

We applaud our students for taking this initiative. Traffic is generally light at 10am. If you need to get to work in the morning, I suggest that you leave a little early.


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Posted by Longtime Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 13, 2018 at 6:25 pm

I miss the days when young men and their fathers, and even teachers, would store their guns in the back window of their trucks. We ate the venison that family and friend- hunters would shoot. That was here, in California.

As a child, I remember having to be careful while chewing small fowl, in case any shot was still in there. Those were indeed good days, when guns were used for practical purposes, and for male bonding. No fear. No bad intent. No harassment, not for crime, as a rule, back then. At least not in school.

If I were in school today, I'd still want to have a male/female that knew how to use a gun nearby, rather than to wonder when/if a malcontent were to have one. I know a family with four daughters and they all know how to shoot.

The University of Kansas started a conceal/carry program. Since it began, there has not been even one gun problem, this while there had been 14 documented assaults where weapons were used, prior to the conceal/carry program. No one knows who is armed. Conceal/carry works.

The problem is not guns. The problem is the intention of those using them. I think students should stay in school, and learn to debate ideas, this issue being one of them.

Taxpayers pay for them to learn, not to march. But it is, what it is. Traffic can’t be much worse than on any other day, and at any other hour.
The kids mean well.


46 people like this
Posted by GraceBrown
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 13, 2018 at 6:52 pm

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@ Resident

Good golly, Miss Molly! Can't you remember what it was like to be a 17 year old who believed that you COULD and WOULD change this world? As an aside, this developmental phase can be understood more readily when you consider the attraction that military recruitment and religious orders have historically represented to young people.

Living in a community means just that - allowing for a bit of inconvenience so that a youngster can sort out where they stand in the bewildering world of grown-ups.

Please remember, schools, especially high schools, are like families; this is THE reason why young people across our great country will be taking to the streets tomorrow. One of their own was gunned down....in a classroom....during the school day.

With respect,

GB


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Posted by KU Jayhawks
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Mar 13, 2018 at 7:55 pm

>> The University of Kansas started a conceal/carry program. Since it began, there has not been even one gun problem

Bull. There have been gun 'problems', such as this: "...an incident in which a loaded .38 revolver found unattended in the bathroom of Wescoe Hall last September."

Crime on campus is down, but that's because they added a lot more security when conceal carry went into effect, for obvious reasons. Most of that drop was theft, from 213 down to 156 incidents.

Putting 6 more cops on the street will do that, of course.

Don't know about the rest of your false claims, but please don't misrepresent reality at KU.


>>not been even one gun problem

verdict: LIE


29 people like this
Posted by Don’t block streets
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 13, 2018 at 8:56 pm

People have to get to doctor appointments at PAMF and then to work. Please don’t block streets.


9 people like this
Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Mar 13, 2018 at 10:21 pm

Someone will think of a way to make money off this.
Maybe sell sponsorships to advertisers.
Wear your favorite brand names.
Media trucks will be there. Film at 11.


38 people like this
Posted by Southgate resident
a resident of Southgate
on Mar 14, 2018 at 7:26 am

I hope Palo Alto High School students join the Menlo Park students and shut down El Camino from Palo Alto to Redwood City!! And maybe even some Stanford students will join them! Let the youth rise up!!


9 people like this
Posted by kids
a resident of another community
on Mar 14, 2018 at 8:03 am

kids is a registered user.

when students walk out, are school staff still responsible for them as they are minors?


29 people like this
Posted by RS
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Mar 14, 2018 at 8:09 am

if they just go to field then no one cares. If they disrupt traffic, maybe the adults that can vote will take their feelings into account and help them in their fight against gun violence.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 14, 2018 at 8:15 am

The media have taken note. The media are at schools all over the country. The media are going to report on this.

There is no need for them to leave the schools and disrupt traffic. In my opinion, that would lessen their message. Their message is that they care enough to make a stand. If they disrupt traffic their message shows that they don't care about others. Don't weaken a very strong message by being disruptive. Protesting from a position of strength in numbers all over the country is a very strong message and showing that this can be done in a non-disruptive way shows responsibility as well as protest.


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Posted by Won't you be my neighbor
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Mar 14, 2018 at 8:23 am

"People have to get to doctor appointments at PAMF and then to work. Please don’t block streets"

I strongly second this sentiment. Waking out is great, protesting also great. Impeding traffic and disrupting lives of your neighbors is not.

How about a planned rally or event? In an acceptable venue, not on public throughfares? I may sound cranky, but we never used to do this when I was in high school. And I'm not sure if this is a precedent that should be set for future students.

I was stuck in traffic behind the last MA protest walk out on Middlefield a year or so ago and it took quite a while to get anywhere. Had a doctors appointment and was not aware of the protest. Fortunately that group didn't make it to 101 onramp at Willow which appeared to be one of the group's goals.

I'm reminded of the BLM protest that obstructed 92 a couple years ago. The selfishness and lack of mindfulness of these modern "protesters" baffles me when the core message of these protests is often to ask the public for mindfulness or consideration of an issue.

Plus it's not like we're in the middle of Alabama here-- most folks in the Bay Area are incredibly supportive of gun control, blm, etc.. no need to block our streets in protest.. we agree!


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Posted by parent
a resident of Gunn High School
on Mar 14, 2018 at 9:48 am

According to CNN, this is a nation-wide protest. It starts at 10am in each time zone, so it is already happening on the east coast. The students are using the sidewalks and not intentionally blocking the streets. However, they do have to use the crosswalks, which will prevent cars from running red lights. Police may also attempt to keep the group together by blocking cross traffic until the kids are all through the crosswalk. This is a safety decision by the police that the kids have no say in.
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Posted by Rob Lancefield
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 14, 2018 at 10:19 am

Sure, walking down El Camino is disruptive to innocent people.

But getting shot, wounded or killed is disruptive, too.

Are we really so innocent? Or have we stood mute far too long?

Good for the kids!


61 people like this
Posted by anon
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 14, 2018 at 10:53 am

Power to the kids! It's about time we stood up against the NRA and the appeasement of guns. Sure have your guns on the farm but there's no reason in cities. Adults have not stood up for this and thank goodness our kids are now fighting for their lives (literally). I will go join them.

There is absolutely no reason to have guns so readily available. Look at Britain and Australia and most of the world. Wake up America....


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Posted by KU Jayhawks
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Mar 14, 2018 at 10:59 am

lmftfy:

...time we stood up against the NRA and the appeasement of gun manufacturers and the politicians they buy and bully


27 people like this
Posted by Novelera
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 14, 2018 at 11:34 am

Novelera is a registered user.

Wow, just wow! [Portion removed.] The rate of mass shootings in this country is unbelievable. If these kids can have an impact, it would be amazing.


51 people like this
Posted by parent
a resident of Gunn High School
on Mar 14, 2018 at 11:42 am

The NRA has been bullying the kids on Twitter this morning. That tells me that the walks are already having an effect.


10 people like this
Posted by Gus L.
a resident of Barron Park
on Mar 14, 2018 at 11:53 am

Only Selfish non thinking people would want to hinder those going to both the clinic and the hospital for health care.
Its good to voice your opinion in a peaceful manner, don't injure other doing so.
Will this generation come up with a Bob Dylan?


14 people like this
Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Mar 14, 2018 at 11:55 am

Online Name is a registered user.

"I was stuck in traffic behind the last MA protest walk out on Middlefield a year or so ago and it took quite a while to get anywhere. Had a doctors appointment and was not aware of the protest..."

So? Those of us on or near Middlefield have to deal with that every single day.

Good for the kids. They're getting attention and might actually do some good.


27 people like this
Posted by Linnea
a resident of Monroe Park
on Mar 14, 2018 at 12:10 pm

GO KIDS!!!


21 people like this
Posted by allen
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 14, 2018 at 12:16 pm

@resident I have not heard the leaders of this protest trying to take your guns away unless they are weapons of war. They want to basically reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004. Did you feel deprived from 1994 to 2004? Did anyone take your guns away.

Listen, we have limits on what guns people can have. You cannot own a machine gun. Yet if you go on gun sites, you will see that people there think Al Capone would have preferred an AR-15 to a Tommy Gun. So why are AR-15's legal? That is the question. It is not a question of taking away your hunting rifle.

The AR-15 and similar guns are weapons of war modified to take advantage of a loophole in the law. We need to listen to the students, who seem to be a lot smarter than the rest of us, and ban weapons of war from civilians.


11 people like this
Posted by anneke
a resident of Professorville
on Mar 14, 2018 at 12:44 pm

I applaud our youngsters for standing up in this challenging and often times dangerous world. They are their own present. They are our future. And, yes, we are their past. Have we, as adults, done enough to protect our children? If not, then, let's support them!


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Posted by Kevin Prasad
a resident of Menlo Park
on Mar 14, 2018 at 1:24 pm

Good on these kids for doing what they're doing, more power to them.

For those of you who believe that they should aim do minimize disruption, I firmly disagree. That makes the protest entirely meaningless. Nobody will care they are just in a field not doing anything to anybody, it isn't until you inconvenience people that they will take notice.

If you are upset at it being an inconvenience then maybe consider the weight that knowing legislators and even people within your community are more upset that they'll have a harder time getting from point a to point b than they are at the fact that people are literally getting gunned down in schools.

"We didn't do this when we were their age", you also weren't getting shot in schools. You also grew up in a world with far fewer people, you also had better economic futures, how can you act like things are the same and the fact that you didn't do anything be meaningful in any capacity? It's extremely short-sighted and very imperceptive, please try to do better.


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Mar 14, 2018 at 2:28 pm

"We didn't do this when we were their age."

I was their age in the late sixties. Respect for the status quo was not our strong suit.


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Mar 14, 2018 at 2:43 pm

Online Name is a registered user.

""We didn't do this when we were their age."

Maybe if you had, we wouldn't be in our current mess.

"Respect for the status quo was not our strong suit."

And still isn't. Unfortunately.



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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Mar 14, 2018 at 3:12 pm

I did not elaborate because nobody wants to hear about the idyllic 60s, just like my generation was tired of hearing about the idyllic depression and WW2. Suffice to say our economic futures did not look too bright at the time. Stanford and Berkeley and San Francisco were hotbeds of disaffection. Wish I could be around in 50 years to see whether the world survives what today's kids do to it. Of course we'll be blamed for leaving them such a mess.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 14, 2018 at 3:54 pm

It seems that this all occurred very well with no disruptions to traffic. It is good to see that protests can be done all over the country without disrupting the lives of others.

To all those who say that there is little point in protests if it doesn't disrupt, or similar arguments, and that we should all understand that if we are delayed to work by 10 minutes, I would ask the following question. Would you feel that way if you were sitting in the car with a pregnant woman in labor, or on your way to catch a plane you subsequently missed, or on the way to a job interview, or an educational exam or test that you would have to forfeit if you were late, or, or, or.

Delays have real life consequences for people. Some times, these are life altering consequences. Those who do not consider others when they cause disruption are inconsiderate and selfish. It takes away from the protest if people are disrupted and are more likely to not be supportive of the protestors.

I am very pleased the students were able to protest, have their voices heard and that no innocent members of the community were inconvenienced.


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Mar 14, 2018 at 4:02 pm

Online Name is a registered user.

No question that delays can have real consequences whether caused by protests or poor traffic planning. At least the protests were for 17 minutes, not years or decades.

As I posted elsewhere, one had only to watch 2 emergency vehicles try to get through a 2 jammed traffic lanes (Ravenswood) while being hemmed in by fixed metal lane dividers should be a warning. But won't be.


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Posted by #MAGA
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 14, 2018 at 8:11 pm

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Posted by Scotty
a resident of Green Acres
on Mar 15, 2018 at 7:15 pm

Glad this is happening but curious. There have been nearly 25 school shootings since Columbine yet no protests of this magnitude until now. What's different about this shooting? Why protest now? Why didn't kids protest after the 10th shooting? The 15th? The 20th? Hmmm thinking....I'm sure it will come to me....I'm sure it has nothing to do with politics.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 16, 2018 at 12:34 am

Posted by Scotty, a resident of Green Acres

>> Glad this is happening but curious. There have been nearly 25 school shootings since Columbine yet no protests of this magnitude until now. What's different about this shooting? Why protest now?

I've wondered about that, too. I don't really know, but, I sensed a major reaction to when Wayne LaPierre (NRA) "went on the offensive".

Web Link

More quotes from his speech in this Guardian op-ed:

Web Link

Many regarded his speech as being anti- , well, I'll let you read:

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This is disturbing, because of what is known about the shooter. Below is a link to the rundown of what is known on Snopes. When you read about who some of the victims were, and what the shooters views were, it is chilling that LaPierre could give the speech he did.

Web Link

I happened to be listening to NPR today when a section came on with an interview of the parents of Carmen Schentrup.

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So, that is what I surmise is responsible for the much larger reaction this time.


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