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Local Muslims organize in face of Trump rhetoric

As hateful incidents increase against Muslims, Khan's speech imparted 'courage'

Propelled by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's recent belittling remarks about the parents of a Muslim U.S. soldier who died while serving in Iraq, local Muslims say they have new determination to organize politically and become better engaged in civic affairs.

The Democratic National Convention speech by Gold Star parent Khizr Khan about his son included a rebuke of Trump for his anti-Muslim rhetoric, to which Trump responded with an implication that Khan's wife, Ghazala, who stood by Khan's side during the speech, had been forbidden from talking because she is an oppressed woman.

Subhan Ali, a Stanford University graduate who started the Stanford Muslim Alumni Association, said that as an individual he believes the Khans' visibility has crystallized Muslim sentiments in America.

"The Muslim community has always been politically aware, but it has never been so clear on what side of the fence or the other we stand now. There's no ambiguity. We're not having debates about taxes or housing prices. This is something so central to our identity and to belonging to this country. It's so clear that you can't even talk about any other type of political discourse," he said.

Ironically, Republicans have traditionally enjoyed the support of American Muslims, the majority of whom have been Republicans because of the party's strong emphasis on family values, said Omar Farooqui, a Palo Alto resident.

But "the Republicans of the '80s are very different from today. Since the war (in Iraq) and the hate mongering, more and more are gravitating to the Democratic Party," he said.

Samina Sundas, founder and executive director of the Palo Alto nonprofit American Muslim Voice, an organization that fosters understanding among people of all faiths, said that Muslims are "very much a law-abiding and minding-their-own-business kind of people."

Sundas said she wasn't so troubled by Trump's rhetoric as by the number of people who have followed him and who voted for him in the Republican Primary, which many in the Muslim community say has taken them by surprise.

But the Khans' speaking up has "definitely brought more courage to people that it is going to have a positive effect if they stand up," Sundas said. When Muslims are better understood, their neighbors and the broader community will support them, she added.

"They won't have to remain in the shadows," she said.

Perhaps one of the biggest changes since the Trump rhetoric began last year is a concerted effort to register voters, said Nashwah Akhtar, outreach coordinator for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. In May, the organization held more than 30 voter-registration drives in the Bay Area and is planning more in September, she said.

"We want to make people aware of their rights and to be educated. We are also holding elected-official forums on local elections so people will know who's running for the Senate, Congress and city council," she said.

While the Bay Area remains mostly friendly to Muslims, Ali and Farooqui said they have personally been affected by the fear aroused by terrorist incidents and hate speech. Ali, who grew up in southern California, returned from visiting family to the Bay Area by plane around the time of the San Bernardino shootings, which were allegedly carried out by Islamic State sympathizers.

"When I flew back to the Bay Area, I was never so closely watched in my life. (The stereotyping) was very apparent in the airport. You could feel it that day," he said.

A new report, published last week by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, found that hateful incidents against Muslims reported to CAIR increased 58 percent in California in the past year.

Some 295 out of 1,556 anti-Muslim bias incidents occurred in the Bay Area, including employment and housing discrimination, hate crimes, school bullying and federal law enforcement questioning. Santa Clara County had the highest number of reported incidents of Bay Area counties, with 117 complaints, the fourth highest in the state, according to the report.

Farooqui's son was recently approached by another child who made a comment about Muslim stereotypes, he said. But the community work the family has done -- delivering peaches that they harvested at a farm to their neighbors during Ramadan and working earlier this summer with the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints to put together toiletry packages for homeless people -- opened the door for improved relationships.

Because of the work he did with the Latter Day Saints, Farooqui's son was able to resolve the conflict during a discussion with the child, he said.

Farooqui said that Muslims have been in America since Christopher Columbus, and they came in successive waves, emigrating in the 1920s, 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. As recent immigrants, they tended to be more insular as they concentrated on building careers and families in the United States.

"But now the second- and third-generation folks are making more of an effort to get out of the insular organizations and broaden their horizons. Post-9/11 saw the efforts of the second and third generations to participate across the board in mainstream organizations. In Palo Alto, they are actively working to break down stereotypes. That's what we really need -- through joint efforts we can really solve the problems that affect everyone," Farooqui said.

Sundas, who started her organization after Sept. 11, said there will are upcoming opportunities to join together with local Muslims. On Sept. 11, American Muslim Voice will host its annual Peace Picnic, which will be preceded by an interfaith peace walk. And in December, the organization will again host an Eid Festival celebration.

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22 people like this
Posted by Donald
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 5, 2016 at 10:08 am

One thing I will say in favor of Donald Trump - he is inspiring a huge wave of patriotism among Muslim-Americans, Latino-Americans, African-Americans, and other groups that are traditionally under-represented in the election news. Donald is also inspiring people like David Duke and the KKK, so we'll see which side gets more votes.


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Posted by bil1940
a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 5, 2016 at 11:21 am

This kind of organization is so encouraging for all of us who welcome all immigrants. All I can say is bravo! and thank you so much for your efforts.

Yours in peace and goodwill.


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Posted by Eleanor Willemsen
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2016 at 11:31 am

I'm so glad to know of this voter effort by a Muslim group. I was and am very distressed by Trump's comments about the Kahn family, not to mention all his other hateful comments.


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Posted by Susan
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 5, 2016 at 11:44 am

Yes, Trump is doing us a favor, as long as he loses. His stirring up the muck of bigotry and racism is creating more dialogue and awareness. While it's an ugly atmosphere right now, I do believe we will come out a stronger nation because of it.


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Posted by Carol Gilbert
a resident of University South
on Aug 5, 2016 at 1:03 pm

Dear Muslim neighbors, sorry that it has taken the vitriol of Trump, but coming forward is very important and I thank you for any efforts you put forward.


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Posted by Winter
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 5, 2016 at 1:07 pm

Thank you once again Samina for your leadership, and for that of the others mentioned here. We cannot be divided from each other to suit political ambition or for any other reason. That is not what we this country should be about in the 21st century.


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2016 at 5:17 pm

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

It is a shame that so many people are given to the media's interpretation of what Trump is actually saying. There is NO DOUBT that there is a subculture of radical fundamentalism within the worldwide Islamic community. All that Trump was saying is that immigration law should not be open-ended when it comes to potential immigrants from the Muslim world.

It is like not feeling a need for stricter immigration laws along the northern border compared to the southern border. Millions of Canadians aren't flooding across the northern border while millions of Latinos are illegally ignoring the southern border. As a Latina immigrant, I don't get offended by anyone voicing the need to stop the flood of illegal immigrants. I also don't get offended by individuals who point out the various consequences of illegal immigrants from Mexico and Latin America.

Trump doesn't "hate Muslims" -- no matter how much the media tries to control the narrative by picking, choosing and carefully editing soundbites. He is pointing out the issue of violent fundamentalism -- of which many Muslims in America and elsewhere are fully aware. Moreover, there is a sizable subset of Muslims around the world that believe in issues of honor and Sharia trumping (pardon the pun) civil law.

Trump has voiced support for legal immigration. He has voiced support for immigrants from around the world who love the American ideal. However, he also knows that the immigration laws of this nation are broken -- and politicians like Barack Obama abuse those laws to his own end.

I wasn't a Trump supporter until I realized that his opponent would be Hillary Clinton. Trump's biggest problem is his mouth (and, namely, putting his foot in it). Hillary's biggest problem that she cannot be trusted. She is a proven liar and utilizes shocking levels of deceit and corruption in the pursuit of power and money.

It may not be popular here in Palo Alto and I will probably find myself on the receiving end of all types of mockery, hatred and vitriol (what else is new?), but I'll take my chances with Donald Trump.


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Posted by More Trump Nonsense
a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2016 at 5:38 pm

And you wonder why Muslims are organizing politically in this area?

Read the post above. And note how Trump supporters are unable to see the truth about their candidate.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2016 at 5:41 pm

I am not commenting about Trump's comments or the Khan family's comments, but I am interested in hearing what various Muslim groups are saying. I think they should be spending a lot of time and effort in policing their mosques and various other community leaders to prevent radicalization amongst their community. I would like to hear them talking out about what they are doing to ensure that their members are not becoming radicalized, have ISIS sympathies or contacts, and reporting on any of their community who have any type of terrorist links.

I don't for one minute think that all Muslims are potential terrorists or any of that type of nonsense, but I do think that they themselves are in the best position to seek out and report on any rogue Muslim rather than those of us who are not Muslim.

The more they try and speak and act like victims, the more harm they are doing to their culture and their religion. The more they denounce all terrorist acts and assure the rest of the world that they are doing their best to monitor themselves, the more I think they will be respected as doing their best to assimilate into western culture.

I look forward to this local group as leading American Muslims in denouncing terrorism and policing themselves.


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2016 at 5:56 pm

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ More Trump: Thanks for your vote of confidence!

Since I am (according to you) so blind that I am "unable to see the truth" about Trump, let me ask you: Do you "see" the corruption and dishonesty in Hillary Clinton?


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Posted by John
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2016 at 6:20 pm

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Posted by More Trump Nonsense
a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2016 at 7:00 pm

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Posted by Pants on fire
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 5, 2016 at 8:01 pm

Sorry, but there is a subculture of radical fundamentalism within our countrys right wing born again christian population. There stances regarding womens rights, gay rights etc sound much like the sharia law they complain about.
And, BTW, nayeli, people do not need the media to interperet what trump says, they can hear what he actually says.


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Posted by Donald
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 5, 2016 at 8:06 pm

Most of the mass murders on American soil in my lifetime have been perpetrated by legal gun owners and/or Christian conservatives. This includes the bombings of the Atlanta Olympics and the Oklahoma City Federal Building as well as mass shootings at schools, churches, women's medical clinics, and movie theaters. Why is Donald Trump attacking the parents of an American war hero instead of attacking the NRA and extremist Christian groups?


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2016 at 8:58 pm

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ PantsOnFire:
@ Donald:

Huh? People are equating Christian fundamentalism with the violence that is an everyday occurrence with Islamic fundamentalism around the world?

Look -- any violence in the name of religion is wrong. However, I cannot think of but (possibly) a very few examples of killings motivated by Christian fundamentalism in the last 50 years. However, I can point to many examples of violence motivated by Islamic fundamentalism in the last five weeks.

You can cite the Oklahoma City bombing, but that evil man claimed to be an atheist who, when asked if he was religious said he "believes in science." Moreover, there is no indication at all that he was motivated by any sort of Christian faith that you claim that he had.

As for "legal gun owners:" Please cite to me the sources used to conclude that they are the ones who commit most shootings, bombings of "women's medical clinics" (really?) and movie theaters.

I can cite to you at least fifty sources of violence in the name of Islamic fundamentalism over the last fifty years for every one instance of violence that you can correctly correlate to being motivated by Christian fundamentalism. The comparison of the two -- as if your claims about Christian "born again" people is equal or greater to violent radical Islam simply defies reason.

As far as Donald Trump not attacking the NRA or Christian groups: Why should he? The NRA is a completely legal and peaceful organization -- no matter what the haters claim. Moreover, Donald Trump has addressed "extremist Christian groups" (all one of them) when he pointed out that tiny Westboro Baptist Church cult as a "vile organization" (even if their extremism is limited to words).

Are there other "extremist Christian groups" that he should somehow point out?


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2016 at 10:15 pm

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ pants on fire:

You wrote: "And, BTW, nayeli, people do not need the media to interperet what trump says, they can hear what he actually says."

Well, if the source of the things that "he actually says" is carefully edited soundbites or words taken without context, then what "he actually says" is a bit concealed, isn't it?

In a day where many easily-influenced voters get their news from internet headlines, social media blurbs, late night talk show hosts and Comedy Central, this form of "news" is worse than Orwell's Ministry of Truth.


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Posted by Pants on fire
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 5, 2016 at 11:46 pm

Nayeli- I am not going to address all the comments in your long winded response. However two points- trumps comments are all the there in their entirety-- from his attack on a heroes parents, to his comments about muslims, women , Mexicans et . Most of us see him as the narcissistic bigot that he is. The fact that people go to great lengths to make excuses for him says it all.
Regarding Christian fundamentalists, look at their killing of abortion provides, their attempts to discriminate against the LGBT community, their disregard for women's rights-- no different from the fundamentalist muslims you rant about.


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 6, 2016 at 12:32 am

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ Pants on Fire:

First of all, I wouldn't quite call my response "long winded" or a
"rant" as you call it; but, I understand your unwillingness to address my points.

Now, your point about Trump is simply repeating what you already said. My rebuttal (again) is that the media and press can come across as highly selective in how they determine which words to publish and how to contextualize them (outside of the actual context). However, if you would like, I'd love to hear specific comments that you have concerns with (you can provide links to the actual comments if you like with the context). That way, I can compare or contrast your labels (e.g., narcissistic bigot," etc.) with what he actually said.

Of course, some people go to great lengths to set the record straight rather than "make excuses for him" -- just like some do the same for Hillary Clinton.

Speaking of the two candidates: I have said previously that Trump's biggest problem is putting his foot in his mouth. He sometimes says things that he shouldn't. However, that is his biggest problem. Hillary's biggest problem is that she is a highly corrupt, deceitful politician with friends (and money) in high, corporate places.

Regarding what you wrote about "Christian fundamentalists:" Please give me a list of 50 abortion providers that were killed and 50 abortion clinic bombings over the last 50 years. Then, please show me the specific bombings that were specifically motivated by fundamentalist Christianity. That would be a good start to validate your claim that there is a violent undertone to Christian fundamentalists in the United States that is what you claim is "no different" to Islamic fundamentalists that kill innocent men, women and children in the name of their religion almost every day of every week of every year in the last decade.

Now, Christians in the United States might disagree with some moral aspects of LGBT or hold to moral views that disagree with certain legislative initiatives (e.g., transgender choice of bathrooms, etc.), but that doesn't necessarily equate to either "discrimination" and certainly not "hate."

Moreover, like many women, I strongly oppose many forms of abortion. This doesn't mean that I have a "disregard for women's rights." Moreover, this doesn't necessarily mean that it is motivated solely by my religious faith (and I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a "fundamentalist" anyway).


14 people like this
Posted by Bubbit
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 6, 2016 at 7:06 am

Nayeli- so for Christian fundamentalists to be considered terrorists they have to commit a minimum of 50 attacks? LOL


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 6, 2016 at 9:19 am

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ Bubbit - Did I say that? No. Of course not.

What I did was request was for anecdotal proof from those who claim that Christian fundamentalism is "equally" violent or widespread as Islamic fundamentalism. So, I challenged those who made that claim to produce at least 50 examples of bombings done by Christian fundamentalists over the last 50 years in the name of their Christianity.

Since this "bombings by Christians in the name of Christianity" doesn't actually take place (especially at any level close to what those anti-Christian critics claim), then my request is to show them that they cannot truly compare the violence done in the name of Islamic fundamentalism with any sort of stereotype that they hold about Christian fundamentalism.

Consider what Bill Maher said on Charlie Rose:

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Posted by Bubbit
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 6, 2016 at 10:25 am

3 word response nayeli- terrorism is terrorism.
Feel free to write a 6 paragraph response.


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 6, 2016 at 10:35 am

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ Bubbit - No one is saying that terrorism is NOT terrorism. I'm not even sure what point that you're trying to make.

What I am saying is that those who claim that "Christian fundamentalism" is even remotely as violent or widespread with such violence as what occurs daily as a result of "Muslim fundamentalism" (who commit such violence in the name of their religion) is like claiming that a puddle in Arizona is equal to the Pacific Ocean. Yes, they both contain H2O. However, you don't drown in a puddle.

In other words, violence from Christian fundamentalism is exceedingly rare and violence from Islamic fundamentalism is exceedingly common. This is an response to what some of the other posters were trying to call "equal."


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Posted by Stand your ground
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 6, 2016 at 10:38 am

Nayeli, your posts have fact, realism and calm reality. Those discounting your posts are just finger pointing and name calling.

to your point the media is so one-sided here, people are just too numb to see a different side. Stand your ground, Keep making your points. Hopefully others will at least open their minds and try to see another side.


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Posted by Nayeli is correct
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Aug 6, 2016 at 11:55 am

It often takes several paragraphs to construct a valid point, and to make oneself understood. "Stand your ground's" comments sum it up well.

On this important cultural issue, what is needed is to open one's individual mind, seeing other's points of view, and this, instead of name-calling, labeling and trying to snuff out what someone else thinks & feels, which used to be considered bullying another person into submission.

Providing facts are not "rants". Calmly voicing an opinion like an adult, in print or in person, is not "hate speech".

Not everyone in the Bay Area is of the same mind. It's time to tolerate diversity, in a healthy way, where we listen, learn, and thoughtfully know how to respond well, and as adults.


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Posted by Infidel
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2016 at 12:50 pm

Yes, trump and Christians are the problem. Not the radical Islamist terrorist attacks that are happening every 84 hours.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm

"Do you "see" the corruption and dishonesty in Hillary Clinton?"

To "see" what is not there is called "delusion."


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ Curmudgeon - I don't want to get this comment section off-track, but did you read the Hillary campaign emails that were recently leaked? Did you read the emails that were on the server she shouldn't have installed in her mansion's basement?

I did read them. They do indicate a shocking level of corruption. From raising issue to Bernie Sanders' religious beliefs to creating fake Craigslist ads "on behalf of Donald Trump," the levels that the Hillary campaign will go to is shocking and unsurprisingly ignored by the pro-Hillary media.

Then again, this shouldn't surprise us. Within those emails was evidence that the Hillary campaign was coordinating with the likes of NBC, MSNBC, Reuters, the AP and other "news" outlets -- including everything from selected photos to be used in stories (of Hillary, Bernie and Trump) to when to actually publish a story to getting contacts in the media to actually publish mud that wasn't even true.

"Corruption and dishonesty" is putting it mildly.


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Posted by Infidel
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2016 at 1:31 pm

CAIR is a well known propaganda machine heavily funded by fundamentalists and foreign money. Not mentioning their political affiliation just shows the bias of the article.


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Posted by Infidel
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2016 at 5:46 pm

The name says it all.

Islam is translated to English as "Submission". As in submission to the will of god. There is no universal source but those rules are defined by a combination of the Quran, Hadith (Practices), Sharia law and countless fatwas issued by ruling Muslim committees.

Iran (Shia) and ISIS (Sunni) have sworn and are actively working to destroy the US, Israel and all of western culture. Other Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, the former Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania enforce a strict form of Sharia law that would be considered unconstitutional.

In addition, other Islamic countries still use Sharia laws to control business and personal issues in a way that would also be considered incompatible, unacceptable and offensive to most Americans due to opposing positions on religious, sexual, commercial and artistic freedoms as well as woman's and gay rights.

Unfortunately, if one believes in freedom of religion, freedom of speech, gender and sexual equality as well as secular laws and punishment then the Sharia must be abandoned or drastically modernized. So far, the regimes that have responsibility for the most holy Shia and Sunni sites, the most senior Muslim councils and the most influence over the Muslim street have not been willing to do so.

I think it would be constructive if the American Muslim Voice would help us to understand how to reconcile Sharia with western values and how to define and separate the fundamentalists that wish to destroy us all.



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Posted by Charles Wilson George
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 pm

Charles Wilson George is a registered user.

> Some 295 out of 1,556 anti-Muslim bias incidents occurred
> in the Bay Area, including employment and housing
> discrimination, hate crimes, school bullying and federal law
> enforcement questioning.

> Santa Clara County had the highest number of reported
> incidents of Bay Area counties, with 117 complaints,
> the fourth highest in the state, according to the report.

So how many of these complaints have been investigated? How many have been sustained, and how many have dismissed? And how many of these complaints have resulted in arrests, indictments and convictions? Without this detailed information, the raw data alone is not all that informative.


8 people like this
Posted by Samina Sundas
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Aug 7, 2016 at 2:38 pm

My dear neighbors from far and near,

I am so disappointed that the discussion becomes feud between individuals. We do not have to agree with each other but we should keep our discussion among each other respectful.

I am inviting all of you to join us for peace walk and picnic on September 11th to honor the victims of 9/11, their families and first respondents. We should get to know each other before discussing heated subjects because then we stand a chance of truly listening rather than proving our point. There is a huge difference between a dialog and a debate. My reasons for starting American Muslim Voice Foundation was to enhance better understanding through dialog and education with social interaction by sharing a meal. We have tried our best to create a safe space for our fellow Americans. Are you up for that? We must work together to leave a better world for our future generations. Please share your ideas hw can we achieve that goal? May God bless our world.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 7, 2016 at 9:37 pm

"@ Curmudgeon - I don't want to get this comment section off-track, but did you read the Hillary campaign emails that were recently leaked?"

Yes, we should all be shocked!, shocked!, to learn that politics is going on in a political organization.

But who are you to complain when Sen. Sanders, the object of thise missives, has very publicly endorsed Clinton?


"Did you read the emails that were on the server she shouldn't have installed in her mansion's basement?"

You mean the emails that Donald Trump recently invited the Russians to help themselves to? When has a candidate for office ever before encouraged a foreign power to commit espionage? Never! It makes me question the loyalty of Trump and anyone who supports him after that statement.

We expect our president to work for America, not for its adversaries. Lock him up!


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Posted by Nayeli P.
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 8, 2016 at 12:33 am

Nayeli P. is a registered user.

@ Curmudgeon - You wrote: "Yes, we should all be shocked!, shocked!, to learn that politics is going on in a political organization. But who are you to complain when Sen. Sanders, the object of thise missives, has very publicly endorsed Clinton?"

Bernie endorsing Hillary? Now, THAT'S politics.

Hillary using vile, dirty and dishonest tactics (like paying interns to become "protesters") and sneaking political maneuvering (via friends in the press) to tear down anyone who stands in her way to the White House? That's corruption.

Like I said, Trump's biggest flaw is opening his mouth and inserting his foot. Hillary's biggest flaw is that she is corrupt, dishonest and underhanded deep within her bones. I'll take Trump's mouth over Hillary's lies, deceit and "short circuiting" any day.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 8, 2016 at 1:53 am

Every one and every side of this issue has something
to say, but most of all I am terribly sad to see
America ... so divided, as I think most of
us have very similar values yet somehow are set at
each other's throats, in some kind of addictive bad
habit of always yelling at each other, exaggerating,
appealing only to strong negative fearful or fantasyland
positive emotions ... that only rip this country
farther and farther apart. Is it deliberate, or something
we do not see how it happens, or just our basic
nature that we do not bother to fight against in the
twisted name of some kind of liberty and free speech.
It's not getting us anywhere ... pragmatically speaking.

What on Earth is happening, and why can't we get the
core of it and talk about that, rather than going
back and forth about what is forced down on throats
every single day by a media that is disappearing
before our eyes? Because every day we hear about
how America is the richest most powerful nation that
has ever existed in the history of the planet, and
yet we cannot find a business model where we can
find any way for a profitable business to provide a
neutral, unbiased, non-propagandizing news, information
and opinion channels that are as necessary for a
democracy as oxygen is for our bodies.

We have the bully class and the victim class and try
our best to delude everyone about where they are and
who is their friend.

I think what we are seeing is the cracks that have
been in our 200+ year old system that was designed
for an era that does not scale to the speed, intensity
and society that we have currently evolved into, and
too many entities that none of us can see or understand
all trying to exploit those cracks for their own
purposes, none of which seem to be about trying to
bring us together, because there is just no money
or disruption that can come from that, and what is
where the action is today in our world, and that is
why everyone feels so sick of the status quo and the
establishment - they have allowed this to happen,
when their one job was not to. Total irresponsibility
and incompetence.

We get daily attacks on the very basis of reality
until people are either driven away from thinking
about politics and social change at all, or they are
driven crazy by all the noise and projection that
all of their neighbors have nothing in common with
them any longer and that anxiety erupts into
a broad unfocused hatred and anxiety.

Whatever Donald Trump means to do, what he does do
is get in front of the world and talk nonsense most
of the time, some kind of coded nonsense that means
something to his loyal fans but that seems to
deliberately set everyone else's nerve's on edge,
including about 1/3 of this own party's members.

To cherry pick the moderate comments that Trump has
made to some makes sense of his campaign is probably
natural and yet those same people seem to want to
discount the effect, or even celebrate the effect
this kind of talk and rhetoric has on our society.
This campaign season has been like some kind of
psychopathic episode on a national level ... in a nation
the world depends on to be a calm and cool leader.

What is the other side to this ... if there is one,
and now far are we going to let this go? If it is
not loopholes and cracks in the system it is loopholes
and tricks in human behavior. Now that our media
has been winnowed down to ineffectiveness the guerrilla
PR agents are out there and none of us have any idea
now many, how much money is being spend on them, who
they are, what they are doing, this is all TV and
Internet and it is taking over our society.

I have to say this is not Trump, or rather Trump is
a side-effect of de-regulation and privatization of
our media, news and communications industries, and
this current military thread goes right back to the
right-wing takeover our media where we get a bunch
of raving old white men trying to convince people
that they really should support the billionaires who
pay them to feed this stuff non-stop to the country
day in and day out, like Trump who tell us they only
do this stuff for our own good.

This electronic indoctrination has been so profitable
and so influential the government has virtually been
taken over by it, yet that is still not fast enough
change and disruption to stop the democratic elements
that start with young people who can see what is
going on and yet who slowly as they have to accept
this mess to get on with their lives become encrusted,
then invested and then supportive of this immorally
corrupted system.

Will this end with the current election decided or just
get worse and the monied up power class that call themselves
Conservatives just amp it up some more about how they are
righteous enough and those who are against them represent
the terrorists or the devil? This has got to end, the sooner the
better for the whole world, yes the fundamentalist Islamic
world does probably need to enter the modern "liberal" world,
but apparently so does the the richest most powerful country in
the world. Putting people first is not the idea of the devil,
quite the opposite which is what every religion I have ever
studied says.


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Posted by maguro_01
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 8, 2016 at 8:12 pm

@Nayeli P - Your "knowledge" regarding H Clinton comes from bitter political opponents who have been portraying her or B Clinton as evil personified for decades. Very large sums of public, private, and shadowy private money well into 9 figures have been spent on the project over the years. The sheer number, nature, and duration of her supposed "crimes" should arouse your suspicions. Don't be so easily led.

Also read the history of the US especially in the core Southeast, still the Confederate Culture Area 151 years after the US Civil War. The politics based on race is still there and developed as an art for generations - basically raising antagonistic, distracted groups while the real players clean the table. Today the Right has gone national with the strategy to great effect, especially after their efficient - and very expensive - gerrymandering program at the state level.

Since President Reagan, the Trickle Down "Economics" policy has provided an increasingly impressive return on investment for the Right's funders. Much of that funding has been used in buying up US politics through our notorious, inherently corrupt, and bipartisan Pay-To-Play political system, our Founding Flaw.

The Right's goal these days has nothing to do with their ideology of a few generations ago. Many older people are as loyal to the name as they are to Corn Flakes, not recognizing that their party was hijacked some time ago. Today it's well funded to forward a program of crony capitalism and Plutocracy - a combination of the Confederacy less actual slavery plus Mussolini's Corporatism. Main Street was deserted for Wall Street decades ago.

The Dems these days have moved over the center where the votes are and seem more fiscally conservative than their opponents whose actual record is now profligate and damaging. Yet they have made a major error - read the American classic "Death of a Salesman" and his wife's words including "I don't say he's a great man. Willy Loman never made a lot of money. His name was never in the paper. He's not the finest character that ever lived. But he's a human being, and a terrible thing is happening to him. So attention must be paid. He's not to be allowed to fall into his grave like an old dog. Attention, attention must be finally paid to such a person." Act 1, Part 8, pg. 40.

Most of the jobs that are gone now are gone not from offshoring but from the disappearing job descriptions from accelerating technological development. Yet the whole subject is oddly off the table. Is it because it's Main Street, the real economy, that invents new jobs? Autonomous vehicles will be a win, yet eliminate millions of jobs. We never read a word about it.

Apologies that this is so long....


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Posted by Hillary's Foibles
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 8, 2016 at 8:21 pm

Hillary's Foibles is a registered user.

It was AWFUL of Hillary Clinton to I use the Khans, and their grief, in the way that she did. She thinks she made herself look good, but she exposed the Khans to insults and rhetoric from Donald Trump--a known bigot! That was a cruel, self-interested thing to do on her part!

Hillary has never lost anything, never missed a meal, never lost a job, never suffered. She has always been wealthy, never worked for anything a day in her life--and will do ANYTHING for money and/or advancement. pretty much everything was given to her for free.

She is SUCH A PHONY--when Bill was campaigning for governor of Arkansas, she faked a southern accent--and kept it up for the whole eight years he wa governor!

If Trump is the devil you know, Hillary is the devil you don't know. As a voter, I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place.

Hillary is no better than Trump, but as a lawyer, she's a better smooth talker!


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Posted by maguro_01
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 8, 2016 at 9:13 pm

"...when Bill was campaigning for governor of Arkansas, she faked a southern accent--and kept it up for the whole eight years he wa governor!"

Did she claim to have the fifth largest collection of cookie recipes in Arkansas too? So she survived Dixie. Maybe that helped her to survive one of the longest, most expensive campaigns of lying and abuse ever dumped on an American politician.

"..and will do ANYTHING for money and/or advancement. pretty much everything was given to her for free."

You really have no grounds for any of that but considering her opponent, you haven't got much to work with. I understand.

If you and your peers consider her such an historic evil genius, we had better elect her ‐ who else to sit across a table from Xie or Putin? Trump or Pence? Oops.


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Posted by Deep Blue Sea
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 9, 2016 at 8:26 am

Deep Blue Sea is a registered user.

This election is between the devil you know (Hillary) and the devil you donb't know (Trump). I hate them both, actually, but Hillary is the lesser of the two evils. At least I can swim if we're between the devil and the deep blue sea!


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on Aug 9, 2016 at 5:22 pm

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Posted by RepublicanDirtyTricks
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 9, 2016 at 6:13 pm

OK, Hillary has an image problem, no doubt.
But it is because the long-term attempt has been made to exaggerate
and exploit some real, but pretty mild criticisms of her and Bill Clinton.
Mostly that to more Liberal Democrats the Clintons were demonstrably
Right-leaning, and in fact made a lot of policy decisions that Liberals
did not like. Odd that Obama has had pretty much the same criticisms,
yet he is more popular.

The issue is how to evaluate the criticisms, most all of which come from
the far-Right that the Clintons were not Liberal enough? When you look
at the attacks from the right they fall into two categories.

1. Hillary Clinton is not Liberal enough and do Democrats should reject
her ... but for what, Trump, a most-probably far-right nutcase.

2. Hillary Clinton is the devil incarnate who has ordered murders of
people in the same manner she sat in on the bin Laden assassination
operation.

Both are so absurd, and yet somehow have accumulated some kind of
faux rich patina of age because they have been echoed every day by
the Rightest of Right Wing media.

I've got to think that yes, the difficult decisions for most Democrats, and
most new, many millenial Democrats is how Bernie Sanders was treated
by a system that has been evolving to churn out Hillary Clintons. And i
had the same concern, but Bernie himself has computed using his own
formula how to weight all the political factors and has come out in favor
of supporting Hillary as the best answer to beat Trump and avoid up to
4 or maybe more Right-wing extremists on the Supreme Court bench.
Bernie came out of nowhere to very nearly win the Democratic nomination
despite the whole system leaning against him, so if one if is a moderate
or Liberal Democrat one has to respect his political smarts and strategies.

So, to think that the above above absurd arguments and claims should
push anyone who is Democrat, or even anti-establoishment to accept
Trump or any other tax-cutting extreme Republican as the candidate
or the middle and working classes away from voting for Hillary, whether
enthusiastically or regretfully, just seems foolish to me.

And to touch on the subject matter of this article, to try to push Americans
back into a mindset where we put people in concentration camps, fire
them from jobs, invade their neighborhoods with toxic drugs, or
question individual motives of a wide diverse group of people and scare
them into feeling they have to circle their wagons against the American
cowboys, who mostly need to stand down. This is a time to be very
skeptical of any events that play big in the media because we know we
humans in recent history in countries all over the world have a strong
dramatic OVER-reaction to political provocations. Over-reactions that
have not been especially productive except as it relates to the grabbing
of power and money by certain groups.


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Posted by Legal Immigrant
a resident of Ventura
on Aug 9, 2016 at 10:34 pm

As a legal immigrant, I fully support some, but definitely NOT ALL, of Donald Trump's statements. I firmly believe Mr. Trump when he says he will have a large door in the wall. His wife is an immigrant too. But I'm confident she came here legally. When I came, I was subjected to a significant medical history investigation, including a TB test. I had to pass before I could enter this beautiful and highly welcoming country.

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