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Teen injured in fight at Cal Ave train station

One student was injured in the fight over purported stolen property or money

An after-school fight Thursday (Feb. 10) between two boys from Palo Alto High School ended with one being taken to the hospital and the other being sought by police.

Paramedics received a call at 4:02 p.m. regarding the fight at the California Avenue train station between two boys, who friends said are both 15. One teen accused the other of stealing from him and the fight ensued, according to the friends, who were witnesses.

During the argument, as the boys wrestled on the ground, one youth pulled out a skateboard key and struck the other on the head with the piece of metal at least twice, drawing blood.

The injured boy was taken to the hospital, where police were planning to take his statement. The other boy fled, friends of the injured boy said.

Police have not yet released further information regarding the incident.

Sue Dremann

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Posted by Parent
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 10, 2011 at 5:51 pm

This is probably all over facebook by now and all the kids will know the details.

It is about time PAPD got a page on fb and started using it for youth issues.


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Posted by jail time
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 10, 2011 at 5:56 pm

Any punk that puts another kid into the hospital deserves jail time. Unless the "victim" really was a thief and then maybe he deserved it.


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Posted by Marty
a resident of Crescent Park
on Feb 10, 2011 at 7:29 pm

Facebook? For goodness sake! No, the police shouild not be using facebook. I realize that some people think we are all in love with Fb, but we are not. Also, not everyone has or wants access to Facebook. Get a real life.


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Posted by Mr E
a resident of Crescent Park
on Feb 10, 2011 at 7:55 pm

This is news??


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Posted by qq
a resident of Barron Park
on Feb 10, 2011 at 8:22 pm

Of course it is news. How could the precious snowflakes attack each other. I wonder if this is who the PAPD is looking for right now that is a flight risk to Canada or Mexico.

As for a law enforcement presence on FB, they are already there...

qq


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Posted by fb
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 10, 2011 at 8:41 pm

PAPD is on Facebook, but the page is blank: Web Link


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Posted by Huxley
a resident of Barron Park
on Feb 10, 2011 at 9:50 pm

There go those "strong willed teens" from Palo Alto again!


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Posted by Alerted
a resident of another community
on Feb 10, 2011 at 10:42 pm

Really? I saw 5 police cruisers and a paramedics ambulence rush to that station. I thought it must be a major car accident, Caltrain accident.. But this? 2 punks wrestling over some cheesy teenage junk?


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Posted by None of that...
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 2:25 am

the only way a cop will access my page is if i added someone i didn't know... no one is going to post anything illegal on their facebook, unless they have a mental disability. cops need to stick to their job, and not try to stalk teens on facebook... who knows what a they'll do with some of the pics of teenagers. my point is 'parent', don't assume things, KNOW things. facts>assumptions.


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Posted by Parent
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 11, 2011 at 8:03 am

If prospective employers and colleges are checking applicant's facebook pages and finding all the embarrassing and potentially damaging stuff, then of course the PAPD could too. Don't assume that what is posted online won't go beyond your friends.

If PAPD actively used its page effectively then it could be a tool in a situation like this. They would be able to find out what is being said, either by rumor or pictures, between the kids. After all, it seems that there were more than 2 students at the station and the likelihood is that cellphone cameras and videos, tweets and facebook, know much more than this article suggests.


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Posted by OldSkool
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 11, 2011 at 8:10 am

Obviously you'd expect a little "scrap" here and there between students, it certainly happened when I was a kid, but honestly - using a skateboard to hit someone is just dirty, and obviously potentially lethal.
Then again, if they were fighting over stolen property, I don't think there's much of a sense of honor or fairness between them.


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Posted by pamom
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 8:54 am

Parent "If prospective employers and colleges are checking applicant's facebook pages and finding all the embarrassing and potentially damaging stuff, then of course the PAPD could too. Don't assume that what is posted online won't go beyond your friends."

Could someone explain how this works so I can warn my kids about this? I'm not on Facebook so don't really know.


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Posted by justanotherparent
a resident of College Terrace
on Feb 11, 2011 at 9:23 am

Yes, Palo Alto High School students, as 'perfect' as they are, still have their share of problems... This is a problem. It may not be a problem on a global scale. But for parents, it SHOULD be a concern... Do you tell your kids to "fight back" when other kids pick on them? Nothing wrong with standing up for yourself. But when things start getting dangerous, it's usually better to (I might not get this quote exactly right but at least it's close) "turn and walk away to live to fight another day." Hopefully that "fight" will be simply verbal next time. Or hopefully getting a parent or teacher involved will help resolve the issue. We parents should be careful what we advise our kids to do (or to not do) and keep talking with them about how things are going in their often complicated and confusing lives. There may be no way to avoid certain problem situations. But most dangerous situations like this example one can be avoided.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 10:01 am

The youth used a shank and had it in his hand before the fight began. He was already on probation for severe violence. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.] That's what this is folks. I have first hand knowledge of the incident. He was stabbed in the head 10 times!!!!


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Posted by Member
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 11, 2011 at 10:14 am

Just to be clear the victim was not the boy accused of stealing, but the boy accusing the boy of stealing, I have first hand knowledge


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Posted by EPA Mom
a resident of another community
on Feb 11, 2011 at 10:31 am

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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 10:45 am

None of you know what happened. and i do. you all have the story wrong so shut up


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Posted by Jim H.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 11, 2011 at 10:45 am

"Alerted" said there were 5 police cruisers. Seriously? Doesn't that seem like over kill? Even if the report is of 2 men and a stabbing, do they need 5 units to respond? Where's that police auditor...?


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Posted by Anon
a resident of another community
on Feb 11, 2011 at 11:05 am

Oh my goodness. You people are a bunch of nutters.

First off, when police respond to a call they are responding to something along the lines of "a fight at the train station" They DO NOT know that it is only two stupid punks. If it was two stupid punks with guns and only one cop responded? Then you'd be complaining about that.

And the idiot with the ghetto comment is just trying to stir everyone up. Don't let him. Rise above people, rise above!


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Posted by To Jim H.
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 11:06 am

Jim, the police don't have a crystal ball. You don't know what was reported and they don't know what's going on until they get there. They may have thought they would encounter a gang fight of some sort. Better to have too many there for a short period of time to make sure all is calm than not enough police there if a riot ensues. Give the police a break! They have one of the toughest jobs going...


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Posted by Mom
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 11:13 am

Let's all please stop making ugly assumptions. I hate this site. It is full of angry people jumping to conclusions based on nothing but the written opinions of anonymous writers who don't have the guts to put their names on what they write. Almost nothing here is fact-based.

I am going to sign off anonymously now because I kow that personal attacks are inevitable on this site.


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Posted by John
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 11:31 am

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Posted by Mom
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Feb 11, 2011 at 11:58 am

How hard could it be to track down the perpetrator? His identity is known. He needs to be removed from school until he is convicted and sent to a juvenile detention center.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 11, 2011 at 12:14 pm

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Posted by Dan
a resident of Southgate
on Feb 11, 2011 at 12:34 pm

High School fights are going to happen, a lot less here than in most places in the US. But using a weapon, even "skate board key", is a whole different matter. Where I attended high school, students are routinely, permanently expelled for possession of a small amount of marijuana, potentially ruining their college, and thus professional prospects. I'm not in favor of that, but someone who pounds another kid on the head with an object should be expelled, regardless of which side of 101 they live on. I would hope we could all agree on that.


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Posted by Enough!
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Feb 11, 2011 at 12:37 pm

@Marty. Seriously?

How does this, once again, turn into a race argument? It's a fight between two teenage boys. If one used something as a weapon, he needs punishment. Period.

If one stole something from someone else, ditto. That's it, in a nutshell. You people need to stop making a racial or federal case out of EVERYTHING.


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Posted by Ann
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 11, 2011 at 12:42 pm

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!! Paly kids from Palo Alto have been in so many problems recently. From petty thefts and to drug possession to other felonies. According to a recent article from Palo Alto Online (Web Link) in the last two years there were 454 arrests or citations for Palo Altans youth from ages 10 to 17. AND NOW BECAUSE THIS INCIDENT MAY HAVE INVOLVED A KID FROM EPA, the conversation is about how EPA kids are ATTACKING our children and how we should not have them around our precious children!?! This is truly sad. This conversation is so upsetting in so many levels!!! Shame on you!


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Posted by Tired of Palo Alto NEGATUDE
a resident of Palo Verde
on Feb 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Man, oh man, here we go again, the bloggers who have nothing better to do on a rant about how getting rid of certain elements can make everything better and make this a great place to live...People you make me so angry...why point the finger?
Police responded apropropriately because they had no way of knowing how bad things were till they got there...
if a kid hit my kid with a skateboard and drew blood....well let's just say THAT kid would have to be on the lookout for ME

Finally, @ Jail time, Anon, To Jim H, and Dan, I TOIALLY agree with your comments and just hope this all settles down, shame on those two boys


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Posted by Mom
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 11, 2011 at 1:04 pm

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Posted by Parent
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 11, 2011 at 1:12 pm

PA Mom from Greenmeadow.

I am no expert on facebook, but I have my own account and have looked around to see what is going on. I recommend that you set up an account for yourself and see what you think.

From my experience (limited knowledge and all that) some of it is down to privacy settings. You can set up privacy settings to limit those who see your account. But if you leave it as "friends only" theoretically, only those who you have as "friends" should be able to see what you write and any pictures you post. But, the first danger is that this is not necessarily the default setting.

The second danger is that of tagging or being tagged in someone else's pictures and opening up your pictures to all their friends. For example. You have a party in your home and post the pictures. You are facebook friends with 2 of the people at the party and they can see the pictures and tag themselves (add their names to the pictures). This means that all their facebook friends can see the pictures and tag or make comments on the pictures. Tags on people you are not friends with have to come to you for confirmation and you can harmlessly think that this is OK. But, then all their friends have access to all the pictures in that album. After that, the friends of all the tagged people get to see all the pictures too, and if they make comments then the snowball hits the fan and without knowing almost anyone can get access to those pictures.

If privacy settings are not set up to the most cautious setting, knowing the email and full name of anyone can give you access to the info page of that person. Many people put their names, addresses, cell phone, etc. etc. on these info pages. On top of that, they may leave access to their profile page completely open. That means that any potential college or employer looking with the name and email of any candidate can check and see what is there. Even if that particular individual hasn't posted embarrassing pictures, someone else may have done so and tagged that individual so those pictures are there unless the individual removes the tag.

The likelihood is that your own picture may be on your kids pages and tagged as Mom, or on one of their friends' pages with your full name. Your full name may not be traceable on a search, but you won't have any idea if your picture or video is there for all your kids' friends to see of you embarrassingly singing karaoke, or having a shouting match with your husband (for example).

My own theory is that if I have an account and my name is tagged at least I know that it is there and can remove the tag or ask the friend to remove the picture. If I don't have an account I would have no idea it was there in the first place and have no idea of how many people can see it.

There may be more subtle ways to see what is there, but as I said, I am a novice and this is just what I have discovered for myself.

Hope this helps.


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Posted by commonsense
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 11, 2011 at 1:12 pm

get a life people


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Posted by Paly student
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 11, 2011 at 1:30 pm

@Ann @Mom : The student responsible was a freshmen from EPA that is on probation, this does not mean that everyone from EPA is a criminal offender, yes this child should be punished, but that doesn't call for getting rid of an enriching program that encourages students to further their learning and therefore eliminating the root cause of their emotional problems.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of another community
on Feb 11, 2011 at 2:21 pm

It takes a student to offer some common sense. Thank you Paly Student.

Kids in Palo Alto see horrible behavior every day. Just because you live in a three million dollar home does not mean there isn't spousal abuse and violence. And by the way getting in trouble for drugs and theft is just as bad as getting in a fight.

The morality and priorities around this place areskewed.


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Posted by Mom
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 11, 2011 at 2:32 pm

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Posted by Concerned Mthr
a resident of Crescent Park
on Feb 11, 2011 at 2:35 pm

I hope these PALY students are going to be alright.

-J


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Posted by Paly student
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 11, 2011 at 3:23 pm

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Posted by ove
a resident of Monroe Park
on Feb 11, 2011 at 5:38 pm

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Posted by geewiz
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 11, 2011 at 7:06 pm

why say anything. looks like everything that would be fun to read gets removed by the PAOnline staff!!!


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Posted by mobbishh
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 12, 2011 at 11:50 am

i know this kid, hes a freshman at paly.


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Posted by Ann
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 12, 2011 at 12:16 pm

Thank you Palo Alto Online for monitoring the forum. It is important to have all the very offensive and discriminatory posting removed. Thanks.


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Posted by Follower
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Feb 12, 2011 at 8:19 pm

The editors have removed a lot of postings here and not stated "Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff" because they do not want the public to see the large quantity of postings they have removed.


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