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Is telling the truth simply an old-fashioned idea?

Uploaded: Jan 19, 2023
As the story has been told over the years, our first president, George Washington, said, as a youngster to his lather as both looked at a cherry tree, “I cannot tell a lie, I did it with my new hatchet.” Actually, George did not say it -- his first biographer, Parson Mason Weems, made it up. Nevertheless, parents of yesteryears used that famous quote to teach their children about the importance of not lying.

How quaint that historical thought sounds today. Our elected officials must think so, given the increased number of lies they seem to deliver to us daily. For many politicians and their supporters, lying doesn’t seem to matter much anymore.

Rep. George Santos (D-NY) is our centerpiece this past week for his amazing made-up stories of himself, including false data on his own resume, all the aliases he used over time (who is the real George Santos?), and even last Tuesda, when he said his mother was in New York City and experienced 9-11. Wrong. She was in Brazil, 4,000 miles away. But despite all these falsehoods, that doesn’t seem to matter. Santos will serve in the House for the next two years, because Speaker Kevin McCarthy needs his vote, while the Republicans want to keep him because he seems loyal to the GOP. Their silence is deafening; it speaks poorly of their moral concerns.

Our former president, DJT, was a master of lying and convinced others the election was stolen from him -- among a myriad of other deceptions during his four years in office. Many of his political allies also liked to lie – because lies were so easy to get away with. No punishments.

Lying to the public is contagious, as more politicians’ noses grow longer each day – let’s call that the “Pinocchio Problem.” Prevarication is as contagious now as measles once were – but we found a vaccine to help that illness.

I am not saying that lying in our society did not occur in the past – of course it did. But not to the same extent. And I am not including the white lies we tell at times, oftentimes trying not to hurt a person by telling him he has spinach between his teeth or bad breath.

Why has ling become sort-of okay now? Have we, as a nation, lost our values? I think so.

Lying, to me, is commission, omission or retelling a lie over and over until people really believe it. The commission is when a person actually tells a falsehood, although even that has been labeled “an alternate fact” – which many times a real lie.

The omission part is when some things are omitted from the facts presented. For example, I could present my earnings for 2022 to the IRS, but omit money I made on selling my art work, or, in terms of deductions, I could exaggerate the value of what I gave to Goodwill.

The American Psychological Society said a big lie is “a propaganda device in which a false statement of extreme magnitude is constantly repeated to persuade the public. The assumption is that a Big Lie is less likely to be challenged than a lesser one because people will assume that evidence exists to support a statement of such magnitude.”

Again, Trump’s continuous refrain of the election was stolen from him led to a majority of Republicans believing him, although he recently acknowledged (softly) that he knew it was not stolen. Yet many still think it was stolen.

Lying occurs locally, sometimes by omission, other times because I guess the city wants to avoid telling the public what actually is happening. Council members in Palo Alto are told by staff and the city manager, “We are working on it,” and six years later the project is still not done (e.g., the traffic congestion at El Camino and Embarcadero, or installing on city garages digital signals indicating empty spaces within the garage).

Sometimes I wonder when the Palo Alto City Council gets reports from staff, oftentimes it’s a solid “Recommendation” for action – without including any negative effects of taking that action, which would members make better decisions on issues. Why? Do council members need a staff recommendation, or can they better decide for themselves?

All of this suggests to me that the American public needs to get more vocal about its concern about lying – because it is critical to who we, the people, really are in terms of our values. I heard a former senator speak the other day on states passing laws so that became more as difficult the past couple of years. “Did you stand on the sidelines and do nothing?” he asked “That’s not right. Democracy is at stake when limitations are put on voters.”

So, the question I pose to you is do we want to become silent Americans? Do you care about people losing voting rights or politicians lying so much to us so frequently?

What I describe is real and it is happening now. Do you care? Why or why not?

I remember this thought from something I recently read, and it has stayed with me: Here in America, I believe our truth, our honesty, our word, and our reputation are all we have, and if we accept ongoing lies from our leaders, we compromise not only our own future but also the future of our loved ones.
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Posted by Neal, a resident of Community Center,
on Jan 19, 2023 at 4:23 pm

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The underlying problem is very few honest people run for higher office. In politics, honesty and integrity are considered character flaws.


Posted by Jennifer, a resident of another community,
on Jan 19, 2023 at 4:29 pm

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A former president aside, George Santos "lies" are very extreme, probably to the point of mental illness. Politicians do tell more lies than the average person, but if your lies are bizarre to the point that it's abundantly clear something else is going on, that's what a psychiatrist is for. What he really needs is help.


Posted by Bystander, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
on Jan 19, 2023 at 5:14 pm

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Trump may have lied, but most presidents do. From Nixon to our present leader, lies are normal behavior for presidents. Does anyone really believe that Biden never spoke to his son about his job/business?

But we have those who now accept the phrase "my truth" as somehow being different from "the truth". We have those who talk about their feelings making truth somehow take second place. We have those who don't really care about the truth if it doesn't suit their agenda.

Society is full of feelings mattering more than truth. So I suppose lying is just a natural follow on.


Posted by Douglas Moran, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 5:34 am

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This blog represents part of the problem. By its choice of examples (Republicans), the reader may infer that a *claim* of lying is presented as a potential politically partisan weapon or propaganda.

Serious accusations need to be careful with the words used.
The definition of "lie" has a consensus core across the major English-language dictionaries:

.. 1. The statement is false, and

.. 2. the speaker knows it is false or should have known it was false or had an obligation based on the importance/impact of that statement to know that the statement wasn't false before uttering it, and

.. 3. the statement was made with intent to deceive.

Aside: This leaves an ambiguous situation: Suppose the speaker intends to deceive and to that end makes a statement that he falsely believes to be false. According to the above definition, this is *not* a lie, but rather an unsuccessful attempt to lie. This may be as bad as lying, but it isn't lying. Or is it?

Contrary to the blog, "lying" is defined to be telling *a* lie, not telling "a lie over and over until people really believe it." which allows too big an "out". A statement being a lie in no way depends upon anyone believing it.

The blog's characterization as a lie the claim that the 2020 Presidential Election was stolen is an opinion. That claim is neither false nor true: It is unknown. It is also irrelevant: The President is who the Presidential Electors choose.
The claim that it is a lie is an example of the partisan weaponization of the word.
Detail: It wasn't just Republicans who believed that the election lacked integrity (not "stolen") but a significant portion of Democrats and Independents. There were too many instances of irregularities, discrepancies and illegalities that involved tens, even hundreds, of thousands of ballots to know what the actual vote was. The fervor and intensity with which investigations were blocked legitimately raised suspicions that something was seriously amiss.


Posted by Jason Winslow, a resident of Stanford,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 9:10 am

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@Douglas Moran:

Here's a puzzle on establishing the correct path of travel regardless of any Mirriam Webster definitions or political embellishments regarding the truth.

> You come to a fork in the road and there are two paths. One leads to freedom and the other leads to captivity.

> At each separate path there is only one person and either one of them can provide the correct directions BUT one is always a liar and the other one always tells the truth.

> The rules...(1) you are allowed to ask only ONE of these two individuals for the proper directions AND (2) you are limited to asking only ONE question.

Now what would that question be?


Posted by Bill Bucy, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 9:26 am

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Staff obfuscation occurs in all organizations. In Palo Alto's case, 'shining on' elected officials is easier because the staff's priority is to please their boss -- the city manager.

Still, the city manager eventually reports to the council. So, I wonder what would happen if the council passed a resolution instructing the manager to give 'the highest possible priority given available resources' to a particular project and report back to the council monthly on progress.

If done too often, such a move would wrongly result in mucking about in the city manager's day-to-day responsibilities. Done sparingly, it would clarify council priorities and policies, a perfectly legitimate function
.

Could make things a bit interesting, too.


Posted by Neal, a resident of Community Center,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 10:02 am

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We are our own worst enemy. People won't vote for candidates that tell the truth. Voters never want to hear politicians say "no." For example, if a politician tells farmers they won't get any more water because it doesn't exist, he/she won't get their votes. However, if another politician lies to the farmers and promises the farmers water he knows doesn't exist, that politician will garner their votes. Voters naively settle for hope. Our leaders know that lying works so they have no incentive to stop.


Posted by Jeffrey Boseman, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 11:26 am

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One truth/embellishment I am still trying to figure out is whether the controversial company Palantir (formerly of Palo Alto) is one of the 'good guys' as their software has helped the Ukrainians de-cypher encoded Russian military planning which has ultimately resulted in the battlefield deaths of hundreds of thousands Russian soldiers.

Isn't this a constructive & humanitarian application of modern software technology as it is supporting another nation's fight for freedom & independence?

No one truly cares about the Russian soldiers or their eventual fate because they are allegedly violating human rights.

Or is there more that we need to know?


Posted by Harold Jensen, a resident of Los Altos Hills,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 12:29 pm

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@Jeffery Boseman
The Russians have never been a true friend or ally of the United States (even during World War II) so whatever Palantir is doing to destroy Russia's military efforts in the Ukraine is justified.

The Russian soldiers can easily defect or as in Dr. Zhivago, shoot their commanding officers and put an end to this wrongful invasion.

No sympathy here for the Russian soldiers.


Posted by Janine Lockhart, a resident of Mountain View,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 12:56 pm

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Most politicians are prone to presenting false allegations, perpetual lying, and deceit because many of them are former lawyers. It comes with the territory along with their pervasive and inherent skills at manipulating language and the written word.

As for Russia, I could care less how many Russian soldiers die in the Ukraine while following orders issued by the despot Putin. They made their bed and now they can sleep or die in it.

What I don't understand is why so many hard-right Republicans (Trump & the Freedom Caucus) seem to be supporting Russia by promoting cuts in military spending for Ukraine.







Posted by David Silvernan, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 1:24 pm

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"By its choice of examples (Republicans), the reader may infer that a *claim* of lying is presented as a potential politically partisan weapon or propaganda."

^ If the shoe fits, one might as well wear it. Given its so-called leaders and predominant voices, the modern-day Republican Party is more of a cult than an actual political party.

When a minority of the majority (i.e. House of Representatives) is allowed to disrupt the normal flow of bipartisan legislative issues, a standstill is usually the end result.

There are no moderates remaining in the Republican Party...just rabble rousers and stooges.

What better reason to.lue to the American public?


Posted by David Silvernan, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 1:25 pm

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> to lie to the American public?


Posted by MyFeelz, a resident of another community,
on Jan 20, 2023 at 7:29 pm

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Even worse than lying politicians or anyone who exerts power or control over others is the wrath that comes crashing down on someone who tries to expose the lies, and to reveal the truth. There are many ways of silencing people. There are unwritten social codes that trigger an alert to the thought police who act swiftly to silence a truther. Our elected officials know that to expose any lie within their organization is political suicide. They are supposed to be the cream of the crop. So their behavior and demeanor is tolerated and eventually (sadly) becomes emulated because nobody wants to be stepped on. And who wouldn't believe someone who earns north of 400k a year who says the moon is made of cream cheese? Salary does not always align with a moral imperative and virtuous integrity.


Posted by Bystander, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
on Jan 21, 2023 at 8:03 am

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Thank you Douglas Moran, you put it much better than I could do so.

In the past day, the media has been reporting how well Biden is doing in 2 years comparing to January 2021 when he took office. What they are failing to do is reminding readers that the pandemic had taken away so much in the previous year, jobs, economic activity, etc. and that the rebound was due to lockdown restrictions ending and the economy bouncing back which to some extent would have happened regardless of who was president. It would make much more sense for these numbers to be compared to 3 years ago before the pandemic hit but of course that wouldn't make it sound as wonderful for Biden. So instead, the media and Biden himself won't remind us that the pandemic and lockdown, which Biden was very much a supporter of, took away jobs and economic health.

The media is complicit in misinformation too. Not only do they choose what to report, but choose what not to report. They look on the public having short memories and forget the realities of life. The fact that the country was in terrible shape was due to factors not experienced in such a manner before, and nothing else. Making comparisons to before the pandemic hit would make much more interesting reading.


Posted by Bystander, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
on Jan 21, 2023 at 8:44 am

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The phrase, "there are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies and statistics", comes to mind.


Posted by Neal, a resident of Community Center,
on Jan 21, 2023 at 9:19 am

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I agree with Bystander about media being complicit. Sadly, the news media is really in the entertainment business. They know people would rather be entertained than hear the truth. Ratings are all that really count. Nothing is more oxymoronic than "Fox News."


Posted by Henrietta Layne, a resident of Downtown North,
on Jan 21, 2023 at 3:23 pm

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Truth is an abstract...most enlightened people should either know this already or be able to detect it on short notice.

Others will just have to be held back a grade in order to get a clue.


Posted by John Donegan, a resident of another community,
on Jan 22, 2023 at 10:04 am

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Ofcourse we all recall Bill Clinton's famous lie, "I did not have sex with that woman!", which seemed to convince all of his supporters before a missed trip to the dry cleaners exposed his lie.


Posted by Eric Filseth, a resident of Downtown North,
on Jan 22, 2023 at 12:23 pm

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There's an amusing Economist oped this week, “George Santos is the congressman America deserves," Web Link

I believe in culture, and after 8 years at the fringes of Political Culture " which transcends party affiliation and includes not just electeds but also a lot of Advocates and pundits and too much of the media " I think this discussion misses a key point. We all make sense of the world through narratives, and every narrative has its opposite. Most of us choose our narratives to best understand facts. But in the Political Culture, too often we pick our preferred narrative for other reasons; usually based on who else supports or opposes it, but sometimes because one may garner more attention and retweets, or one may better support our own Advocacy cause, etc (see: “xyz is always up to no good, no matter what").

Humans who spend time immersed in a culture tend to get influenced by it. I think most people go into public service intending to do good, but after enough times choosing their narratives the Political Culture way, many start to lose their ability even to tell the difference between those quaint attributes of fact vs fiction, truth vs falsehood etc. Without those anchors, all we have are the Narratives themselves.

And so this issue of, “a lie or the truth?" ... once you're swept out in the Political Culture tide, ample at the local level and vastly pervasive above it, even the question itself starts to lose meaning. No matter whether it's “the dog ate my paperwork" or “sure I worked for Goldman," or “Venezuelan space lasers stole the election," it's all just unmoored narrative with a purpose. They don't even know anymore; call George Santos a liar, and you probably get a blank look.

I don't have a really good answer for this. More people who can be in that culture but not of it should run for office, if that makes any sense. But hard to tell up front.


Posted by Wes Taylor, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 22, 2023 at 12:27 pm

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@John Donegan:
Bill Jefferson Clinton adhered to the old standby (among some males) that oral sex does not constitute sex.

So based on his reply, he was telling the truth as per his personal interpretation(s).

The fault lies with the interogators who should have asked, "Did you engage in ANY form of sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky?"

Kenneth Starr and his legal flunkees screwed up. Asking the right questions is a covered in the first year of law school.

Bill Clinton outsmarted the interogators because he was more intelligent than than them and better schooled in semantics.


Posted by John Donegan, a resident of another community,
on Jan 23, 2023 at 9:01 am

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@Wes Taylor: Clinton's case was the first that I'd ever heard of that particular argument. And during the questioning of Monica Lewinsky, the complaint from Clinton's supporters was that the questions were TOO specific and graphic. If we allow the use of subjective "personal interpretations" in sworn testimony, instead of common usage, taking testimony becomes an essentially useless exercise. We all recognized that Clinton lied.


Posted by Tracey Ladd, a resident of Los Altos,
on Jan 23, 2023 at 9:40 am

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@John Donegan
Why wasn't Monica Lewinsky's semen-stained dress entered as evidence with DNA testing confirmation. This would be part of the legal discovery process.

Then again, if a POTUS is having sex on the side is it anyone's business providing the partner is not a spy or threat to U.S. homeland and/or global security?

Kenneth Starr was wasting everyone's time along with taxpayer dollars on his trivial witch hunt.

What would the self-righteous Republicans have done if it were JFK?

The only one who should be ticked-off is Hillary Rodham Clinton.


Posted by Annette, a resident of College Terrace,
on Jan 23, 2023 at 5:34 pm

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OMG, OMG, OMG. Based on all the above comments one might conclude that lying is now so deeply rooted in our culture that the problem cannot be remedied. The remedy is ridiculously simple: don't lie and do all that you can to hold those who do lie accountable. Don't spend time with them, don't contribute to their campaigns, don't vote for them, don't frequent their businesses, do call them out (politely) and spend your time, effort, and money on honorable people who have the integrity to be honest. Let's not pretend that this is hard to do; it's not. All that's required is a personal decision to live honestly and expect the same of others.

And to those who scoff at this simple approach, think where the status quo leads. I'd rather the temporary discomforts of holding people accountable than the long-term dangers of a society that has zero integrity.

Santos should be out on his ear and McCarthy doesn't deserve to serve as Speaker if he is going to support that charlatan in any way. SO WHAT that he (McCarthy) needs Santos' vote? Is that more important than integrity? Accepting Santos is a terrible degradation of what our principles are supposed to be. And as bad an example as can be set. If Santos is allowed to remain in office and worse, allowed to serve on committees, the Economist OpEd will be proven correct and the term "Contempt of Congress" will take on an entirely new meaning.

For the record: I am neither Republican or Democrat and the above comments are not driven by partisan thinking.


Posted by Reggie Townsend, a resident of East Palo Alto,
on Jan 24, 2023 at 7:09 am

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The problem is that many voters cannot detect whether a candidate is lying or embellishing his/her accomplishments while on the campaign trail.

Joe Biden is a plagerizer [sic], while George Santos and Herschel Walker embellished their backgrounds.

And each one got their fair share of votes.

Maybe all political candidates should be subject to a lie detector test or a DOJ investigation prior to announcing their candidacies.


Posted by Bill Callahan, a resident of Portola Valley,
on Jan 24, 2023 at 8:01 am

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Regardless of party affiliation, most politicians lie especially when they are in office.

In addition to 'Slick Willie', many of us remember Bush/Cheney & the 'weapons of mass destruction', Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren, Biden telling the public that his son Beau died in Iraq etc.

And let's not overlook the baloney that the PACC slings from time to time.

The key is not to believe anything our leaders tell us because they are operating for the benefit of their own self-interests and not for the welfare or betterment of our community or nation.


Posted by Betsy Lake, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 24, 2023 at 8:53 am

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For George Santos to have been elected in the first place speaks poorly of his congressional district.

Are the district voters morons or simply gullible?

Being a predominantly 'blue' Democratic district, did Republican Santos appeal to and carry its LGBTQ voter base?


Posted by Douglas Moran, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 25, 2023 at 2:55 am

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@ Betsy Lake:
According to media reports, the voters in Santos' congressional district weren't aware of his lies. The other candidates' campaigns didn't bother to do opposition research. Neither were those claims challenged by the reporters.


Posted by Gerald Hennessey, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jan 26, 2023 at 11:07 am

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@Douglass Moran...then all of the district voters and candidates bear a certain responsibility for this electoral oversight.

Then again, had his indescretions been brought to further light, LGBTQ activists would have complained of possible discrimination and bigotry.

Believe it or not, some LGBTQ advocates still support the Biden-appointed and recently dismissed Assistant Director of the Atomic Agency Sam Brinton.


Posted by Stella Carlyle, a resident of Martens-Carmelita,
23 hours ago

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There are all kinds of truths & mis-truths depending upon topic & perspective.

One truth/mis-truth I am trying to understand is the 'trans' issue.

When one proclaims to be transgender, trans-species, or trans-ethnic, is the self-assugned designation a truth or fallacy?

Or is it all in ones's head?


Posted by Vivien Lascomb, a resident of Mountain View,
22 hours ago

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> When one proclaims to be transgender, trans-species, or trans-ethnic, is the self-assugned [sic] designation a truth or fallacy?

> Or is it all in ones's head?

@Stella Carlyle:
Some people are trying to re-identify within themselves & that's OK but they shouldn't expect others to accept or abide by these newly chosen identities whether it be gender, species, or ethnicity.

DNA & gender at birth are the only true constants and any personally-chosen deviations from those two parameters is purely whimsical and/or self-assigned.

My daughter used to prance around the house like a pony when she was four years old but for all intents and purposes, she was still just a four year old little girl enjoying a temporary fantasy-pretend world.

The same can be said of people pretending to be something or someone they are not but it gets particularly tricky and potentially controversial when 'make-believe' involves an adult who stretches the actual TRUTH pertaining to their gender and ethnicity.



Posted by Malcom Taylor, a resident of Los Altos Hills,
21 hours ago

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Some people are simply unhappy at being themselves and so they choose other identities (e.g. gender, race, species etc). Whether this constitutes mental illness is for others to determine or decide.

On a far lesser scale are those who embrace certain cultures (e.g. Francophiles, Japanophiles etc.) and/or people who spend exorbitant amounts of money on their personal appearance (e.g. wardrobe, cosmetics, hair colorings etc.).

Nearly everyone would like to transform themselves into what they consider is a personal 'ideal' but applying this concept to being a different gender or species is a bit of a stretch.



Posted by Yvette Sands, a resident of another community,
20 hours ago

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Though the practice is considered somewhat controversial, my husband & I are considering sending our 17 year old son (who identifies as a female) to a conversion therapist in Wyoming where he can hopefully work things out and return aa a normal male.

Our minister says this is just a phase that can be reversed with proper guidance and a reinforcement of gender identity.


Posted by Tatiana Prescott, a resident of Downtown North,
18 hours ago

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The news media is primarily responsible for distorting and promoting highly opinionated & false reportage.

Fox News, CNN, & MNBC immediately come to mind as overly biased news outlets.

Left-wingers absorb CNN & MNBC as the gospel while the right-wing embraces Fox News.

Only those incapable of thinking for themselves follow these so-called news bureaus.


Posted by CalAveLocal, a resident of Evergreen Park,
18 hours ago

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Wow, this went south quickly.
@Yvette Sands - if you are being serious with your comment (it really reads too much like a trolling attempt), please reconsider sending your child to conversion therapy. It's not just "somewhat controversial", it's a real danger to your child. Something along the lines of 25% of LTBTQ youth that go through either strongly consider or attempt suicide (not to mention it just does not work as one's sexual orientation and/or gender cannot be changed by "praying it away").. I am sure you love your child very much and wish the best for them; please do not endanger them. I am genuinely concerned for their wellbeing.


Posted by CalAveLocal, a resident of Evergreen Park,
18 hours ago

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Wow, this went south quickly.
@Yvette Sands - if you are being serious with your comment (it really reads too much like a trolling attempt), please reconsider sending your child to conversion therapy. It's not just "somewhat controversial", it's a real danger to your child. Something along the lines of 25% of LTBTQ youth that go through either strongly consider or attempt suicide (not to mention it just does not work as one's sexual orientation and/or gender cannot be changed by "praying it away").. I am sure you love your child very much and wish the best for them; please do not endanger them. I am genuinely concerned for their wellbeing.


Posted by Byron Halliday, a resident of Los Altos,
17 hours ago

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Concurring with CalAveLocal.

Conversion therapy is not a proven therapy and can do more damage than good. If anything, consider disowning or disinheriting your child from the family trust and let them be whoever they want to be.


Posted by staying home, a resident of Crescent Park,
17 hours ago

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seconding CalAveLocal in concern for Yvette Sands. There is a reason conversion therapy is illegal in many states: Web Link


Posted by MyFeelz, a resident of another community,
17 hours ago

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And yet another subject subsumed by gender-biased commenting. How did we get from Santos' lying to how people identify on the gender spectrum? Totally different subjects. Perhaps someone could start a gender identity blog, and direct comments there. As for Santos and his growing schnozz, I think we have become inured to lack of veracity in the name of political equanimity. Maybe I just coined a new name for it. Whatever it's called, when it's called out it should be responded to. If it's a misunderstanding, clarify it. If it's a lie, admit it. And resign.


Posted by Mirriam Decker, a resident of Barron Park,
17 hours ago

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• How did we get from Santos' lying to how people identify on the gender spectrum?

Isn't lying as George Santos did about his prior background and lying to oneself about who you really are (biologically) related to telling the truth?

Fortunately our children are not faced with either dilemma.


Posted by Travis Belkin, a resident of Menlo Park,
16 hours ago

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Simple solution...require all politicians and news journalists to sign & swear that their commentaries & reportages are 100% truthful under the penalty of perjury and imprisonment.

As for the self-professed non-binary population, they are obviously lying as well but entitled to their lifestyles and fashion statements as per the Constitution.


Posted by MyFeelz, a resident of another community,
16 hours ago

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Travis I followed a case for two years where every required notice under penalty of perjury was illegally served. And every time I brought that to the Judge's attention, all it did was buy a continuance for the offending party. Find me ten names of people who have been convicted of perjury in the last year. As for non-binary people, again, this has nothing to do with what this article is about. I tried to start my own article where everybody can vent their spleen about their disappointment with a non binary society, but it will never see the light of day. This article is about politicians who lie. It's like saying a shovel does the same kind of work as the moon. Completely unrelated.


Posted by Justin Tarr, a resident of Stanford,
15 hours ago

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@MyFeelz
Comparing the risk of perjury in a courtroom environment to accurate & verifiable news reportage is comparing apples with oranges.

They are two different venues "like saying a shovel does the same kind of work as the moon. Completely unrelated. unless we also take into consideration that a majority of politicians are often former lawyers in which case there will be no end to the lying.

As for the binary/non-binary issue, I could care less asong as I don't have to socially interact with these gender deniers.


Posted by Marcy Loughlin, a resident of Mountain View,
14 hours ago

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"I tried to start my own article where everybody can vent their spleen about their disappointment with a non binary society, but it will never see the light of day."

Though off-topic in regards to this particular blog, why was that?

Was the subject too controversial?

Back to topic..I don't think telling the truth is an old fashioned idea because mankind has been lying to others & itself since Day 1.


Posted by Bystander, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
13 hours ago

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Not sure this is off topic or not, but there are many in the media and in public roles who are unable to define the term woman.

We were told when the Covid vaccines came out that if we had the vaccine we would not get Covid. This has been proved inaccurate, it might be wishful thinking, but it was not the case.

We were told that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian interference. This proved inaccurate and even CNN now backtracks on this.

Facebook, Meta, have admitted that they removed content before elections because they knew that certain information would affect the result of the election if it was widely shared.

Lies, and hiding the truth are just another form of deceit.


Posted by CalAveLocal, a resident of Evergreen Park,
10 hours ago

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Oh for crying out loud. This blog entry is about lying by politicians. George Santos (presumably that is his name) is a Republican House representative from New York who lied about a great number of events in his life. This is worse than most politicians; I would even go as far as saying his made up portfolio is worse than anyone. As far as we know. There are people who try to pretend this is not the case - such as our very own neighbor and blogger Douglas Moran to name one - who pretend that this human's lies as the same as other politicians who exaggerate their political ambitions . Which they are not. I wish journalists would do better at fact checking but whatever . And then we get someone posting about purposely endangering their child because that child is not perfectly fitting in the box they built for them . This is the most depressed I've felt since January 6, 2021. I grew up here, I'm raising my child here. I wish we moved passed this bs.


Posted by CalAveLocal, a resident of Evergreen Park,
10 hours ago

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Oh for crying out loud. This blog entry is about lying by politicians. George Santos (presumably that is his name) is a Republican House representative from New York who lied about a great number of events in his life. This is worse than most politicians; I would even go as far as saying his made up portfolio is worse than anyone. As far as we know. There are people who try to pretend this is not the case - such as our very own neighbor and blogger Douglas Moran to name one - who pretend that this human's lies as the same as other politicians who exaggerate their political ambitions . Which they are not. I wish journalists would do better at fact checking but whatever . And then we get someone posting about purposely endangering their child because that child is not perfectly fitting in the box they built for them . This is the most depressed I've felt since January 6, 2021. I grew up here, I'm raising my child here. I wish we moved passed this bs.


Posted by Douglas Moran, a resident of Barron Park,
8 hours ago

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RE: CalAveLocal: "I would even go as far as saying his made up portfolio is worse than anyone. As far as we know. There are people who try to pretend this is not the case - such as our very own neighbor and blogger Douglas Moran to name one - who pretend that this human's lies as the same as other politicians who exaggerate their political ambitions ."

Readers: In my two comments above, I made no reference to Santos, the person, much less any judgment about his lying. I did use his *name* in identifying a Congressional District in response to the previous commenter's statement about the residents of that District.

Ask yourselves "Is CalAveLocal's statement about me a 'lie'?"
It meets the first two criteria -- being false and being something he knew or should have known to be false -- but it fails the third: I see no evidence of an intent to deceive.

This leads to the question "When is meeting the second criteria evidence of the third?" For example, in most circumstances, my judgment would be that a faulty recollection would not be a lie.

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