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Public statues: Up or down? But does the historical importance of the individuals represented matter?

Uploaded: Jun 30, 2020
The removal of public statues throughout our country, by supporters of Black Lives Matter and many others, is a growing concern, because what started as a very valid cause now seems to be turning into arbitrary removals of statues of individuals – blanket indictments of people on a single standard without knowing about all their other contributions to society.

It’s become a purity test, in a sense – if certain statues don’t meet your/my criteria for racial equality and representing a person Americans should honor today, then those statues must be torn down. Right now.

This “purity test” comes in many forms – whether it’s names of buildings or the tearing down of statues or removing men from jobs because of sexual improprieties -- the condemnation continues.

It first emerged for me in Palo Alto in 2017 when a parent, Lars Johnsson, and his son, were upset because of the names of two junior highs schools in town, one of which his son was attending. Jordan, named after David Starr Jordan, a prominent scholar who was the first president of Stanford University, while Terman Middle School was named after Lewis Terman, a Stanford psychologist who created a prominent IQ test, among many other scientific contributions. Both men were participants in the eugenics movement in the 20th century, that believed in the superiority of particular races over others, which advocated, among other things, sterilization of certain races to produce a smarter society.

The unanimous decision of the school board in 2017 to get rid of the names of these two men disturbed me, because as despiteful and dreadful as I think the eugenics movement was, the anger directed toward anyone who was a eugenicist totally discarded any other contributions of these two renowned men.

Back in early 20th century, both socialism and communism became intellectual fads, which some of the intelligentsia mentally played around with for a while, with socialism fading in and out of relevance over the years. Interest in eugenics also caused a stir for a while, primarily involving bright young men, but eugenics faded away at the outset of World War II.

A similar vilification of individuals happened with the recent “Me Too” movement who were responsible for the firing of so many men in our society accused of sexual misconduct. One unwanted sexual overture and out a man must go. The women were adamant sexual overtures must be punished and those guilty must be fired. Another purity test. The most unfortunate attack for me was against Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.), whose female accuser charged him of alleged misconduct 11 years earlier.

Now we are having a similar set of purity actions resulting in statues being town down by crowds of people – sometimes only looking to see how racist an individual was. We are imposing today’s beliefs on views and lifestyles people had years ago, and those views are not meeting our purity test.

Let me say at the outset that the statues of people like Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis absolutely should be removed, because they worked hard to divide our country. And other confederate generals’ statues should also be taken away from public view, perhaps put in rear museum rooms. They are not American heroes. And statues of people like Adolf Hitler or Benito Mussolini have no place in our country.

Christopher Columbus has been attacked because of what he did to the native Indian population when he came to America. Although Columbus never set foot on what is the continental U.S. today, his crews and later arrivals took over. Columbus statues have been torn down or removed, even in San Jose, and now some people are clamoring to rename the city of Columbus, Ohio.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are being criticized because they were slaveholders, as were most Southerner in those early days. So now, some say, their statues also must go. Yet both men helped establlsh America as a democracy, while they organized a government based on freedom and equality and democratic principles that have carried us through two-and-a-half centuries.

A statue of President Teddy Roosevelt has come down from the outside of the American Museum of Natural History in NYC, because it shows him on a horse with a black man and a Native American walking at his side. The sculptor said they represented the men who were guiding him along the way, but protesters say no, it showed Teddy and white superiority. Yet Roosevelt was an avowed racist and busted trusts.

There is a statue of Lincoln with a black man on his knee in front of the president. Critics say that only shows white superiority and must go. The sculptor said the black man is on one knee and ready to stand up, because Lincoln freed the slaves and the figures represent rising to equality.

A statue in Madison, WI. of Hans Christian Heg, an ardent abolitionist was pulled down, although he fought to make the U.S. a united union. Not sure why Heg is gone.

It’s perceptions we are having a problem with. Two people can have totally different thoughts about what a statue represents, which is fine, but before removals occur, we should and must look historically at the individuals and why they were important. We should not erase our nation’s history because our views have changed from those of earlier Americans.
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Posted by rsmithjr, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 11:41 am

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Hi Diana,


Good piece but there is a serious error. You identify Fred Terman as a eugenicist. This is completely untrue.

Louis M. Terman was a Stanford psychologist who was something of a eugenicist. His son, Frederick Emmons Terman, was a provost at Stanford and had nothing to do with eugenics.

Here are some details on the history.

1. Louis was something of a eugenicist. He altered his theories during the 1930s but not very publicly. However, he told many people that eugenics was bad science and dangerous near the end of his career. The district put his name on the school. Louis died in the mid-50s.

2. His son Fred was a very important person in the history of Stanford and Palo Also. He has been called the Father of Silicon Valley, with a lot of justification. Together with President Wallace Sterling, Fred Terman created the Stanford we know today as a world-class institution, and started Silicon Valley. I have a copy of his biography if anyone wants to look at it.

3. When Terman School was reopened in about 2000 after being the JCC for a number of years, the district reviewed Louis' status as a eugenicist. The board decided to leave Louis' name on the building but to add Fred Terman's name. The district was fully aware of Louis' association with eugenics at this time (around 2000), and fully aware that Fred was not a eugenicist.

4. When community members came forward in recent years, the claim was made that a student had "discovered" the eugenics connections of Louis Terman and David Starr Jordan. This discovery is hardly original since it was well-known in the community and all over the standard histories and Wikipedia articles.

5. The PAUSD board decided to rename two schools and to drop both Louis and Fred from Terman School. They did this even as they acknowledged that Fred Terman was never a eugenicist and was also a distinguished citizen, but they said it was his name that they didn't want.

6. Some members of the community argued that Fred's name should be removed using the argument that "the sins of the fathers should be visited on the sons". This argument is a primitive form of eugenics.


I am repeating this at some length because I think it is very important not to implicate innocent people in bad things that they didn't do. When we start to tear down statues and say bad things about people, it is important to respect the true history of these individuals and not allow false accusations to creep into the new narrative.



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Posted by Diana Diamond, a Palo Alto Online blogger,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 12:03 pm

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RSmith Jr.

Thank you. You are absolutely right, it was Lewis Terman, not his son Fred, that developed the Stanford Binet IQ test and the school was named after him.

My deep apologies for my error. I have changed the text.

Appreciatively, Dina


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Posted by It's All Too Much, a resident of Crescent Park,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 pm

The question is...where do we draw the line as PC mentalities are beginning to border on the ludicrous.

Perhaps it is best to eliminate ALL statues and monuments as these symbols of past history are both a waste of time/energy to create and take up unecessary space.

Everything has now become subject to PC scrutiny including Confederate statues, former slaveowners, Spanish explorers, Aunt Jemima/Uncle Ben'trademarks, various sports team monickers, the words 'master' and 'slave' etc.

Where does it all end? Tributes to FDR should also be removed due to his WW2 executive order forcing Japanese-Americans into internment camps.

L'Oreal and Unilever are removing the term 'whitening' from their cosmetic products and the terms 'blacklisted' & 'whitelisted' are now on the cutting block.

'Master' is another term being 'blacklisted' as the term Master Sommelier has now been removed by it's professional trade association. RE agents are being disuaded in using 'master bedroom' to describe residential properties and it wouldn't surprise anyone if 'Master' is eventually removed from various
trades as well...no more 'master' electrician, woodworker etc.

Slave is another term under attack...slave cylinders and electrical circuits may soon have new names if the PC advocates have their way.

Perhaps it's best to remove all of these words from the English vocabulary and have them designated as obsenities.

The statues and military base names are only the tip of the iceberg.












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Posted by Diana Diamond, a Palo Alto Online blogger,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 12:32 pm

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It's all too much:
Thank you! You add a whole new dimension to what I wrote. PC is overpowering our lives.
Diana


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Posted by rsmithjr, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 12:32 pm

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Hi Diana,

Thanks for fixing your mistake. It was instructive because it illustrates how easy it is to perpetuate something false and unfair when we are dealing with historical personages.


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Posted by rsmithjr, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 12:38 pm

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I don't generalize to say that all "PC" kinds of activities are wrong. It depends.

An example:

Many of the renamings have been handled well and are fully justified. For example: Yale University conducted a careful and thoughtful review of the name of one of its colleges, Calhoun. John C. Calhoun's history is terrible and Yale was right to rename the college. It is now named after Admiral Grace Hopper, a computer science pioneer and someone I have always admired.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 1:11 pm

This is something worth discussing in a calm and rational manner without name calling or retribution to those offering an opinion.

You are right about the name changing of schools and at the time many of us were not happy with the idea of changing the names and additionally if they were changed why change them to other individuals who may at some future date may prove to be unworthy of the honor. The same arguments made about altering history, hiding what was a common cultural norm and learning from past mistakes was made at the time and where should it end? Well we know that it hasn't ended, but has become a great deal worse. We still do not know where it will end but nobody seems exempt.

The one difference of course is the unruly behavior in which it is being done. At least with the school name changes, it was done in the correct manner. However, pulling down a statue which if nothing else was done at a monetary cost to the community and provided income for the artist, is not a wise way to move forward. A mob pulling down a statue and perhaps dumping it to be trampled on and destroyed is at least an insult to the artist if not those who perhaps contributed money to its commission. Our ideals have changed, but at least we should prove that we have better ideals by doing it in a lawful and principled fashion. Removing a statue and placing it where it can be displayed to show and teach how attitudes have changed in a museum or similar setting is how we can learn from history as opposed to repeating it. At present we are in danger of repeating history because we are destroying the very reminders of what tangible evidence we have.

Obviously we cannot pretend that slavery didn't happen. In fact, we should be learning about the how and why it happened. It didn't start with Africans being sold to Americans, it started a long time beforehand. It did not start with black people being sold to white people, but with brothers being sold to brothers, with families selling their own children to pay for debts, or with widows selling themselves to pay for food and shelter for their own children. Slavery is not a pleasant topic and just because we think of the freedoms of slaves in our own country it doesn't mean that it has been wiped out.

Modern slavery is very different, but it is equally real. We call it human trafficking now and it is happening all around us. Quite possibly the people involved look the same as us, and those being trafficked also like the same as us. Pretending that practice is not going on is just as worrying as it is being denied and forgotten.

Perhaps the best way to honor the changes in modern attitudes is not to remove statues or rename buildings, but instead to put the same amount of effort into changing what is happening today to those whose lives are being destroyed through human trafficking. Perhaps if the same effort were being made to prevent modern slavery as is being put into removing the visible monuments to past slavery, we would be doing the future a better service.

History is full of bad events and no nation is exempt. The past had different morals and ethics and judging the past with our modern enlightened viewpoints is too easy. Life has changed and we believe it has changed for the better so we have to prove it, not by destruction but by recording the changes. We have no idea what present day morals and ethics may look like to our great grandchildren. Perhaps we should be thinking of giving those great grandchildren something to be proud of as well as destroying the reminders of what went before.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 1:30 pm

All too much - you put it very well and I think I had started my comment, was interrupted and posted before I had a chance to read your comment.

The term "master" has changed in meaning very much. In fact if we look at the term masterpiece, we think of it as being the very best piece of work an artist produces. In fact the history is different.

Going back to medieval days, the master craftsmen in the feudal system were those who belonged to their trade guild. A master blacksmith or carpenter would be able to bring in trainee apprenticeships to train them in their trade while providing them with room and board. Once the apprenticeship was complete these young blacksmiths or carpenters could get employment as journeymen or daily paid employees. Because they were paid they were able to provide for themselves and live away from the job. As the years went by the journeymen were hopefully able to save enough money to be able to start their own shop or business in that craft. To do so, they would have to be made members of the trade guild and the manner in which that was done was to prove that they had mastered their craft. They would make a masterpiece or their work, a piece that showed their craftmanship and ability to produce quality work. This masterpiece would have been taken to the guild which would judge it as being up to their standards. This would enable the individual to be called a master of their trade and able to start their own business.

We still use the meaning of the word when we say that someone playing piano has mastered a tricky piece of music, or a child has mastered the bicycle, or being able to touch type a computer keyboard.

As a noun, we may be able to replace it. As a verb, it is still a useful piece of vocabulary.

As being PC, it is getting too woke to discuss.


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Posted by sandragifford, a resident of North Whisman,
on Jun 30, 2020 at 4:40 pm

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Web Link

This a link to an opinion by Timothy Dolan titled: "Even the Bible is Full of Flawed Characters
Excerpt:Years ago I was dedicating a new parish to St. Peter. A woman wrote to protest: “Why would you name a Church after such a coward, a sinner who denied even knowing the Lord when Jesus needed him most, at the hour of His arrest and crucifixion?"

Knowing her and what parish she was from, I wrote back, “But you're a proud parishioner at St. Mary Magdalene Church. She was sure not a paragon of virtue for a chunk of her life. Yet, by God's grace, she became a radiant, inspirational saint. If we can't name churches after sinners, the only titles we'd have left would be Jesus and His Mother!"

Isn't the same true of America's historical personalities? All of them had flaws, yet all of them still contributed a lot of good to our nation's progress.

Defacing, tearing down and hiding statues and portraits is today's version of Puritan book-burning. Our children need to know their country's past, its normative figures and their virtues and vices. That's how we learn and pass on our story. Is there any more effective way to comprehend America's history of racism than reading “Huckleberry Finn" or one of Flannery O'Connor's short stories, works of literature now ominously on the chopping block?

My own mom kept a photo of her parents hanging on the wall of our house. Her dad, my grandfather, was an abusive drunk who abandoned his family. I'm glad we got to know of him, the good and the bad.

The same is true of the church I love and am honored to serve. Yes, there are scandalous parts of our history, and countless episodes when popes, bishops, priests and others"including some who are now saints"didn't act as they should have.

God forbid we'd go through a cultural revolution as China did five decades ago. Beware those who want to purify memories and present a tidy"and inaccurate"history. And who's to say which statues, portraits, books and dedications are spared? Remember when some objected to raising the status of the Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday to a national holiday, citing his self-admitted flaws?

If literature that depicts prejudice, or words or scenes that are today rightly abhorred, is to be banned, I don't know if even the Bible can survive. If we only honor perfect, saintly people of the past, I guess I'm left with only the cross. And some people would ban that.

As a historian by training, I want to remember the good and the bad, and recall with gratitude how even people who have an undeniable dark side can let light prevail and leave the world better. I want to keep bringing classes of schoolchildren to view such monuments, and to explain to them how even such giants in our history had crimes, unjust acts and plain poor judgment mixed in with the good we honor.

Cardinal Dolan is archbishop of New York.

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Posted by Jerry Underdal, a resident of Barron Park,
on Jul 1, 2020 at 12:58 am

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Diana,
The argument you raise is worth discussing in the current national context. I don't want to get into the macro-discussion about statue destruction. But I have two observations about our local tussle over renaming. One is that Fred Terman is memorialized in the name of Terman Drive, next to Ellen Fletcher Middle School, which is not district property. We no longer have a school named in honor of an individual, Lewis Terman, who purveyed harmful practices and attitudes towards people he and other eugenicists like his patron, David Starr Jordan, considered "unfit." But we do still have a street named by the city in honor of his son Fred, respected dean of engineering and provost at Stanford. Fred Terman only loses out when their names and attributes are confused. That is unfortunate, but the hazard comes from the conflation of the two Termans when the school reopened after a long closure. On the positive side, every time that confusion occurs generates an opportunity to explain why the school's name was changed.

The other is that Stanford next year will take up petitions from students and from the Psychology Department to change the name of Jordan Hall using the same process used for Junipero Serra, the Spanish priest credited with establishing the California missions system that destroyed the lives and cultures of indigenous peoples, including the local Muwekma.

I look forward to hearing Stanford voices, largely silent about Jordan, Terman and Cubberley's roles during PAUSD's long debate about Stanford and Palo Alto's engagement with the eugenics movement. I don't think they and others in academia have taken seriously Jordan's far-reaching and ongoing impact on American society. Bring on the historians!.


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Posted by It's All Too Much, a resident of Crescent Park,
17 hours ago

@Ms. Diamond
On a lighter note & slightly off-topic (yet relevant to your earlier blogs on municipal fiscal management)...

With the growing PC disavowal of Christopher Columbus as an exploratory hero, shouldn't various cities (including the highly 'enlightened' City of Palo Alto) remove Columbus Day as a paid city holiday?

This measure would provide for
an additional (albeit it questionable) day of work-related productivity on the part of city employees (including the highly paid administrative positions) and reduce a sizeable holiday-related payroll expenditure during a time when municipal budgetary constraints are most needed.

Tearing down a Christopher Columbus statue doesn't bother me in the least but since there are no statues of him in Palo Alto, the city could highlight its empathy towards sensitive social issues by removing a paid holiday 'perk' that the majority of tax-paying Palo Alto residents employed in the private sector do not ordinarily receive.

A step in the right direction?







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Posted by Observer, a resident of Mayfield,
16 hours ago

I question the assumption in Diamond's original article that, once a statue has been erected or a public building named, that should be considered permanent and unchangeable with only rare exceptions for specific types of misdeeds. How the powers that be in one generation evaluated the relative positive and negative contributions of an individual is not necessarily the way that subsequent generations view the balance, and in many instances, the passage of time, with subsequent events and new understanding causes a very legitimate re-evaluation of the harm that individual did -- especially as new voices (e.g., women, racial/ethnic minorities) are brought into the decision process. When a legitimate case can currently be made that the harm was such that the person does not deserve a monument/honor and/or that harm is still being done to many by ignoring the past misdeeds and maintaining the monument/name, it seems very reasonable to me to remove/change them -- preferably by an orderly process, not by vandalism.

I also abhor the term "PC". This term was coined specifically to discount and trivialize the legitimacy of someone's or some group's concerns or pain -- as though the person using the term was entitled not to be pushed to pay attention to the matter or change their behavior in any way. Both sides in such discussions can be unreasonable, but let's try to deal with the issues and avoid such put-down terms such as "PC".


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Posted by Diana Diamond, a Palo Alto Online blogger,
16 hours ago

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It's ll Too Much:

Your idea of eliminating celebration of Colmbus Day in PA and no longer making it a paid holiday for city employees is an interesting one, and should be discussed.

But beware! There are already about five or six new holidays being discussed --- Kids Day, Juneteenth,, Honoring people killed at their jobs, a Black Lives Matter Day, etc. We have something like 12 holidays we celebrate -- most of which are turned into three-day weekends. Do we really want four or five more? I think not -- and if some are proposed we really all should dvet the idea, lest we become a nation of holidays first, work second.

Diana


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Posted by mauricio, a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland,
14 hours ago

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Speaking ColumbusWhy should we have monuments, and a holliday for a man who upon observing the indigenous people of the New World said that it would be very easy to enslave them because they were so peacefu? Why should we allow monuments for Confederacy traitors against whom we went to war? Would we ever allow monuments that honor and commemorate Third Reich and Imperial Japan WW2 generals?

Why do we allow Nazi flags in American Nazis rallies? We had gone to war against Nazi Germany, the regime that produced Nazism. We never signed a peace treaty with the Nazis, we accepted their unconditional surrender.


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Posted by George, a resident of Old Palo Alto,
12 hours ago

The best option for monuments is to simply change the nameplates. Leave them standing. In our 'everything is subject to disruption' age and internet (where history is whatever the most recent post thinks it is) the mob wins (as we are seeing). History happened in it's own time and in the frames of reference at the time - it can inform, we can judge it, but we cannot and should not erase it. These are dangerous times. History, tradition, culture, and respect are falling - quickly with few to defend them. It's not better ideas - just chaos and disorder and above all destruction. How utterly selfish and mean to destroy these valued statues. This whole racism obsession is junk - anarchists, idiots, and corporate extortionists have hijacked race relations for their own purposes contributing nothing and leaving a mess in our streets.
LEAVE THE STATUES ALONE


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Posted by mauricio, a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland,
10 hours ago

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Only those who weren't the victims of racism can pontificate that racism obsession is junk. Try to tell Jewish survivors of Auschwitz that their obsession with nazism is junk.


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Posted by Douglas Moran, a resident of Barron Park,
7 hours ago

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My comment on Diana Diamond's blog Web Link

> Observer: "I also abhor the term "PC". This term was coined specifically to discount and trivialize the legitimacy of someone's or some group's concerns or pain -- as though the person using the term was entitled not to be pushed to pay attention to the matter or change their behavior in any way. Both sides in such discussions can be unreasonable, but let's try to deal with the issues and avoid such put-down terms such as "PC"."

Not true. It was being used in the 1930s (possibly the late 1920s) by US Socialists in response to bullying by the US Communist Party (CPUSA) to toe the line coming out of Moscow. It was also very common in the 1970s in the university where I was a graduate student in response to bullying by various leftist groups. For example, you could get screamed at for using the dispreferred choice of "African-American", "Black", "Person of color" depending on who you were talking to (and subject to periodic change).

The deliberate use of "politically correct" terminology to bully into silence those who disagree has been in widespread use for at least 90 years (by Marxists and others).

What you have described is someone trying to re-frame an issue using terminology and having that misrepresentation resisted. This is common in discussions and especially debates.
However, you have gone far, far beyond that. You regard someone not being allowed to get away with using specific sequences of words to their advantage as being ignore/suppressed/...
That they believe that they can't make the argument for their cause with normal descriptive words indicates that they don't have a legitimate argument.
"Observer": you are arguing for the bullies.


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i already gave up on ever getting cured of HSV2 because i have try many treatment none of them work out for me i have go to different hospital they always tell me same thing there is no cure for herpes when i came across a post about Dr oyagu, in the net from a lady called Rebecca i contacted him and he reassured me with him herbal medicine which i took according to the way he instructed, that how i was cured. I doubted at first because i have been to a whole lot of reputable doctors, tried a lot of medicines but none was able to cure me. so i decided to listen to him and he commenced treatment, and under two weeks i was totally free from Herpes. i want to say a very big thank you to DR oyagu for what he has done in my life. feel free to leave him a message on email oyaguherbalhome@gmail.com and also WhatsApp him +2348101755322..
He can still be able to help you with this herbs medicine:
1...ALS CURE/DIABETES CURE/EPILESY/HPV CURE/LUPUS/HEPATITIS/CANCER/GOUT


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Posted by Roland Joel , a resident of Atherton: West Atherton,
1 hour ago

i already gave up on ever getting cured of HSV2 because i have try many treatment none of them work out for me i have go to different hospital they always tell me same thing there is no cure for herpes when i came across a post about Dr oyagu, in the net from a lady called Rebecca i contacted him and he reassured me with him herbal medicine which i took according to the way he instructed, that how i was cured. I doubted at first because i have been to a whole lot of reputable doctors, tried a lot of medicines but none was able to cure me. so i decided to listen to him and he commenced treatment, and under two weeks i was totally free from Herpes. i want to say a very big thank you to DR oyagu for what he has done in my life. feel free to leave him a message on email oyaguherbalhome@gmail.com and also WhatsApp him +2348101755322..
He can still be able to help you with this herbs medicine:
1...ALS CURE/DIABETES CURE/EPILESY/HPV CURE/LUPUS/HEPATITIS/CANCER/GOUT


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Posted by dr frank, a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights,
49 minutes ago

It's a miracle that I am alive today. I encounter HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS (HSV1/2) for good four (4) years, six (6) months and twelve (12) day with my calculations, before I meet the great Dr. Frank Erumusele. I am agent Smith from Georgia and I worship from SANTA'S Temple united state of America and I was affected with herpes virus.Herpes is a viral infection cause by the Herpes simplex virus, marked by painful, watery blister in the skin or mucous membrane or on the genitals. This was what I suffered for good four years. I have visited CVS Pharmacy in Fresno for treatment but no improvement. Until a friend of mine from Kenya agent William give me Dr Frank Erumusele contact than i give a try it was Good fearing man and explain everything to me the way i would understand while and i also searching for herpes cure I read a testimony about his work. I give a full try now it has becomes a testimony in my life. I only know one illness which is the one i was facing before and i know if you have any problem in life  contacted Dr.Frank Erumusele WhatsApp  +2347083231497     or E-mail: drerumuselecliniccenter@gmail.com  him will help you out trust him and do what him ask from you. You can contact me at smithsantastemple666@gmail.com that is my temple email you can also contact me on Whatsapp +17068042665 for proven alright.


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Posted by isobel wilson, a resident of Charleston Meadows,
26 minutes ago

I had two heart attacks in 2012. Three years ago I learnt about HERBAL HEALTHPOINT and their successful herbal protocol for Coronary Artery Disease and Heart Failure, the herbal protocol is a miracle. Go to their web page w w w. herbalhealthpoint. c om. Its been years since this herbal treatment, my artery is clear and no sign of a heart attack. I do lots of walking and lost some weight too


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Posted by Jenny Gibert, a resident of Adobe-Meadow,
10 minutes ago

PERFECT CURE FOR HERPES THAT WORK FAST WITHIN 14 DAYS WITH DR SIKIES HERBAL MEDICINE, I saw so many testimonies about Dr SIKIES a great HERBAL DOCTOR that will help you CURE and give you the rightful health to live a joyful life, i didn't believe it at first, but as the pain got worsen and my life was at risk after using lots pf drugs from the hospital and no changes so i decided to give a try to Dr SIKIES, I contacted him also and told him i want a cure for HERPES, he gave me advice on what i must do and he deliver it to me in my home address i gave him and i got the medicine which i use according to his instruction, and today i must say I am so grateful to this man Dr SIKIES for curing me from HERPES and for restoring me back to my normal health and a sound life and i am making this known to every one out there who have been trying all day to be cured from HERPES or any sickness should not waist more time just contact him with his details below, believe me this is the only way to get cured from HERPES, this is the real solution we all have been searching for. Do not waste more time contact him today for you can also leave a sound and happy life. contact info below. Email: Drsikies@gmail.com you can as well contact him on other issues you are having like HEPATITIS B,DIABETICS,CANCER,ALS, HIV,BODY REDUCTION AND Enlargement, FIBROD,CANCER,PREGNANCY, Relationship issues etc..Email:Drsikies@gmail.com


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Posted by juilet, a resident of Evergreen Park,
0 minutes ago

I've seen the great importance of natural supplements and the wonderful work they have done in people's lives. I wonder why people still spend their money on surgery, injections and drugs each time they are sick. Natural herbs can cure all kinds of illness. My Herpes virus was totally reversed with natural herbs this year. I Purchased HSV remedy from dr ogbekhilu despite my doubt, i had no choice than to purchase it because I knew HERPES was killing me slowly. When I received the herbal remedy, I only used it for 2 weeks, it was so shocking to see the outcome, all my outbreak disappeared and my HERPES VIRUS was fully reversed.I know it is hard to believe but am a living testimony, There is no harm in trying natural herbs supplements. Contact or chat with doctors on their email(drogbekhiluherbalhome@gmail. com)or Whats-app(+2348102460821) for more information thanks.....


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