Victor Frost on KMTP Channel 32 Five Day News
Original post made
by Judy, Midtown,
on Nov 2, 2007
Congratulations to Victor Frost for his appearance on KMTP Channel 32's "Five Day News", a PBS national news program. Victor explained his side of the "sit/lie ordinance", and why he continues to remain sitting across the street from Whole Foods Store. The program showed segments from the City Council debate and also interviewed both police Sgt. Sandra Brown and City Manager Frank Benest about the ordinance.
To my knowledge he is the only candidate running for City Council who has made it onto a national PBS news program.
Posted by Mike
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 4, 2007 at 12:52 am
I'm not defending Victor, but he's not breaking any laws. I dare say that most Palo Altans generate far more garbage in a day than Victor does. I frequent Whole Foods (on Homer), and rarely see Victor leave any trash.
As for his vendor's license, he's not selling anything.
As far as helping Victor, who are you - or anyone else - to tell him how to live? Victor isi certainly "different" than most people I know, but I would not classify him as mentally ill.
Typically, when I encounter a homeless person who is asking for money, I find it kind of annoying, but I usually fight the impulse and give them some change, or a dollar. I know that some people object to that, because they think that enables those who are mentally ill, and homeless. I don't know that that's the case.
IN fact, there are a few homeless people that make me downright mad - like the woman who hangs out in front of Whole Foods sometimes, with a sign that says "have cancer, have kids, need help". Well, she's been around for years, and seemingly doing fine. I give her money, anyway.
There's another older woman, who begs for money with her young, 20-something daughter. I find that kind of infuriating, but I give her money.
I've seen people who beg with little kids and pets at their side. I give them money, and point them to child services and food banks. I also call the cops on anyone begging with a kid...that's unforgiveable.
What am I supposed to do, walk past someone like that and not give then a dollar because someone says that they will be made better, and whole, because I (and others) didn't give them any money?
Some people believe that not giving money to the homeless is the best way. I don't agree.
Not all homeless persons are mentally ill, alcoholics, or Vietnam vets suffering from PTSD.
In the Middle Ages, giving alms to the poor was seen as a reminder of how close we all are to poverty.
I don't have any answers to this problem; I don't think anyone does - we all just do our best. I think my dollar helps make the day of someone less fortunate than I - maybe that's misguided, but I don't think so.
Here's a look at Medieval paupers, who, it turns out, could be quite fierce as auxiliary helpers to the Crusaders.
from the above link...
"How Did medieval Society React to the Constant Presence of the Paupers ?
"Christians had an obligation to help the poor. Inasmuch as you have done it to the least of my brethren, you have done it to me. The Church administered a 10% tax on Europe's total annual production (the tithe) to help the poor. But many felt that God had made the poor to give them the opportunity to gain merit through charity, so they did not attack causes. Instead, they took refuge behind the scriptural statement that The poor will always be with you. But as population grew in the 11th - 13th century, so too did the number of the poor. By the 1100's, the middle class came to the aid of the Church with added endowments and with the establishment of private and municipal charitable institutions. With the Avignon papacy, however, the Church was no longer capable of adequately assisting the rapidly growing class of indigent, not even, given the break-up of the guilds and rise of capitalism, with the aid of the middle class. By about 1200, the matter had gotten entirely out of control. Many concerned people, both clerics and laity, called for the Church to give up all of its wealth to aid the paupers, but most knew that this would not be a permanent solution. The Christian obligation to care for the poor and the impossibility of doing so adequately was a serious problem in the minds of many, since scripture, particularly Jesus' words in the 25th chapter of the Gospel according to Matthew, emphasized that charity was essential for salvation. The Franciscan movement was at least partly a response to this dilemma, but it was a weak response. In a sense, the message of the Franciscan movement said that being poor was a good thing because the poor were closer to God than the rich. In addition, the early Franciscans brought in troubadour ideals and acted as if Our Lady Poverty should be pursued like a lover pursues his beloved. In a sense, it was a game for many in which they acted out the role of a beggar, but without any real chance of starving. Few stopped to consider that the Franciscans who were wandering around taking odd jobs in exchange for a beggar's crust of bread were also doing the jobs that the beggars might have been able to do and were eating the crusts that real beggars might have eaten."