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Three injured in East Palo Alto shooting

Original post made on Oct 30, 2013

Three people were shot on the 1000 block of Myrtle Street in East Palo Alto last night, according to East Palo Alto Police.


Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, October 30, 2013, 8:47 AM

Comments

Posted by Concerned - Again, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 30, 2013 at 11:21 am

Why can't we get rid of the crime element? Seems like every other week there is a shooting or a killing. What is the unsolved crime rate? Its terrible! People are afraid to talk to police because they know the police can't protect them because they can't even solve these shootings and murders. If we use proactive policing measures people call it harassment or profiling. This has been happening for a long, long time..remember 1992..


Posted by Concern Citizen, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 30, 2013 at 12:46 pm

East Palo Alto Police Chief has to go. Ron Davis has not been able to control recent increase in crime. His community policing style is not working. There needs to be stepped up enforcement, which he is not looking into. How can Menlo Park, Mountain View and Palo Alto our neighbors are able to have control on this and Ron Davis cannot? The City needs new police chief with new ideas to get thinks under control. EPA City Council before this City becomes East Oakland please put video cameras at all entrance and exits of City of East Palo Alto. This will deter crime and keep criminals away. Menlo Park is putting cameras on in Belle Haven area why cannot EPA not do this.
Council members please wake up and do something now the citizens are tired.


Posted by Jose Figuroa, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 30, 2013 at 8:46 pm

Man the violence is ruining and tramatizing the kids and their mental stability. We need more police force so that the young minds of kids are not corrupted by these actions and so that the kids are not scared to leave their houses and are not ashamed to live in East Palo Alto.


Posted by Daniel Sopa, a resident of Menlo Park
on Oct 30, 2013 at 8:56 pm

This scares me im afraid that all the violence is breaknig down the mental build up of the citizens. All the young hispanic and black boys are doing these actions because they do not have the support for them to give positive contributions to the city and show everyone that even Minorities can be successful.


Posted by bonquisha latoya, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 30, 2013 at 8:56 pm

This city concerns me a lot. God bless this city and its residents.


Posted by CrescentParkAnon., a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 30, 2013 at 9:07 pm

I lived in south-western EPA in the late 80's over on Newell. At that time there was a lot of crime too. Most often we could hear gun fire, or even machine gun fire off in the distance in the east side. My car and other's cars got broken into, and a guy in the apartment down the hall caught someone who jumped up and climbed on his balcony and was trying to break into his apartment. I recall finding the projectile part of a bullet in the parking lot, presumably shot in the air from the other side of the freeway.

When my car was broken into the policeman who responded said they could not do anything, but he thought it was two brothers from EPA who were released from jail after a year and were right back at it. They did a crackdown shortly before I left. The cleaned up EPA and Redwood City both and things were different in the 90's.

What I heard is that a lot of the troublemakers just moved to Oakland, where they started to have more crime breaking out there. Perhaps Oakland is making inroads into their crime problem and some of these people are coming back to EPA or influencing the new generation in EPA.

I noticed the other night if you search for "East Palo Alto" or EPA and California on You-Tube you can get some really surprising videos of people videoing the police, calling them names, insulting them, questioning their masculinity, like thuggy little punks. There is another one where a bunch of cars all pull out to one of the cul-de-sacs bordering the Baylands and there is a whole gathering of the thugs, taking over the whole street. The police ride in and they all slowly leave making gestures at the police and calling them names and egging each other on.

There is a huge gang of people who have no respect, no limits, and when they talk, if you can understand them at all they rant about the system and racism, half-smiling, because they just seem to care about nothing.

It's very clear this is like an infection, and it is only going to get worse, it has gotten worse, because it has been allowed to fester and grow.

Now they are getting emboldened because they have the confidence to challenge the police and are venturing over to Palo Alto. This is a serious problem, and it looks as if it is about to really expand.

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Whatever is it, the local cities really better get on this and devise a plan and a strategy for putting these people away. There is some kind of violent incident every week now, and the problems in Palo Alto are becoming more frequent as well.


Posted by Maria, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 30, 2013 at 9:59 pm

EPA in the middle of soo much wealth is the really the stepchild the problem no one wants to deal with. It all starts with the lack of code to law enforcement! Homes being over populated, cars parked on front yards, trash in every corner, for the most part residents don't care about the environment they live in... Yet have no problem blaming everyone for their misfortunes.!! These kids who were shot, should be denied treatment until they spill it!! They know who shot them and very likely they will again.

Cameras at every exit of EPA as another resident suggested...would be a great idea.

Multiple offenders, need to be locked up and throw away the key!!


Posted by iSez, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm

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@Concern Citizen: Chief Ron Davis is leaving to Washington, D.C. and there is no replacement yet:Web Link

What is annoying is that data released is always about the number of murders. How about the number of times people are shot? It doesn't "count" if they are not killed?

Why aren't cameras all over EPA? None of these thugs want to get caught.


Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 30, 2013 at 11:17 pm

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Yeah, iSez, what about all the time a gun pops out and makes an appearance somewhere and no one says anything, or when some kind of violence or mayhem occurs? I'll bet what we read on the news just barely scratches the surface.

This shooting was just blocks from the HomeDepot area shopping center ... how soon before we get a shootout in the parking lot over there?


Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm

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Check these videos out ... BE WARNED they are pretty rough and bad language, this is what people are putting on the net in EPA ...

East palo alto police getn clowned:
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Cops shut down video shoot in EPA
Web Link

I sure would not want this going on outside my house. Opinions?


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41 pm

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Bru - seriously - Home Depot? It's not that it can't happen, it just not likely to. Most thugs don't hang out at Home Depot. [Portion removed.] But in EPA, thugs don't hang out at Home Depot. Most of these shootings are criminal idiots shooting each other, and they usually happen in residential area where these criminals live, or happen in their cars as they're driving around. Or, they happen to drug buyers getting burned or attempting to burn a dealer.


Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 30, 2013 at 11:55 pm

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Hmm - I hope you are right about a shootout in the Home Depot parking lot, though I don't see a lot of improvement that instead they are in residential districts, where we read about kids getting shot in their houses or burning to death because they have to have locked bars on their windows at night to prevent break-ins and cannot get out in emergencies. The situation there just makes me irate, so maybe I exaggerate a little.

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For someone who has so much animus towards Palo Alto, Palo Altans, what about directing some of your boundless energy towards the problems in EPA?

If you do live in EPA I don't want to be disrespectful, because I think the situation there is mess and not something to treat trivially, but I don't hear you expounding on solutions in EPA very often. A contractor friend of mine lives over in that area where the shooting was, and to have people in your neighborhood that could cause a problem like that scares the hell out of me, and I imagine him. What about you?

Then maybe you can understand the naive and terrible Palo Altans not wanting people parking in front of their houses that they might - rightly or wrongly - associate with this kind of crime?

Jeeez, give me and us Palo Altans a break, please.


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 31, 2013 at 12:29 am

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Bru - dude, don't even try to yank my chain about what I do or don't do in EPA. Either you really haven't read my EPA-centric posts (not blaming you there!), or you're stupid. I doubt it's the latter, so I'm guessing it's the former. What I do or don't do isn't actually any of your business. But since you asked, in a nutshell, I've worked in this community for decades, long before I moved here. I've done all sorts of things, from literacy tutoring to youth-oriented programmatic initiatives (such as jobs & mental health, anti-violence), self-defense for youth and young adults, a neighborhood watch program, to quite serious work dealing w/domestic violence and sexual assault problems (the latter in more than one county). I've done extensive work in animal care and tenant rights issues - both of those always ongoing. However, I consider my personal safety more important than a lot of the negative crap that goes on in this town, so I'm cautious. So is my husband. We're both very educated people who are not naive about personal & street safety. Let's see, just this week...what have I done as a volunteer...rehomed some abandoned pets, doing community outreach on certain issues and doing research for some upcoming deadlines on community issues and working on another animal-related environmental issue. A lot of the problems here are systemic because they start w/in the family, and I don't work in that area currently. So I don't deal w/thugs, parolees, criminals or the homeless. Some of the work I do overlaps w/some of those areas, but I find most of those types (except for the homeless) abhorrent. Most of the people I deal with are hard working, have varying levels of education, income, resources and family situations. Some just never really get a break..and speaking of which...

Palo Altans don't need or deserve a break. You're your own break - w/the smug self-assurance that you have all the answers, are doing things right, indeed - are right, due to the incredible, invisible self-entitlement that's increased in the past couple of decades. Seriously, do you think that gang members & drug dealers are parking their cars overnight in Crescent Park? That's a worry that should be pretty far down on your list, I can assure you. Just the fact that you mention it shows how little you know about the thug life - not that I blame you.

Don't worry about being disrespectful about EPA - EPA doesn't give a rat's behind what you think. However, what EPA doesn't like is the continual manifest destiny type thinking that is obvious. A lot of the clannishness in EPA is due to cultural differences w/PA residents, so that's where the not caring what you think comes from, not criminal differences. Of course criminals don't care what you or I think, because we're not of their world.

It amazes me that people in PA, buying into the silly, fear-mongering headlines in this publication and others, worry so much about getting shot or robbed, when the potential white collar criminals in *your* midst do so much more damage. I've ended up in class action lawsuits based on stock issues arising from the 90s bubble. That did more damage to me than some moron w/a gun shooting another moron because of turf issues.


Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 31, 2013 at 12:51 am

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Hmmm, [Portion removed]

It is no surprise that you sound like you worked your whole life in EPA and yet nothing has been gained. I'm sure you'll find an insulting way to throw it back in my face, but I respect that you have at least tried to do something. You just sound like you have some serious compassion burn out. It's too big a job for anyone. There is a time to pull back and save yourself.

From the point of the view of someone in Palo Alto who does have legitimate fears about crime, I don't appreciate you taking on superior airs because you think you might have a worse problem so I am, and all of Palo Alto is in some way lacking in common sense, or humanity. Even you know that's crazy.


Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 31, 2013 at 1:36 am

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Save myself? Please. My attitude is a response to your attitude. I have a lovely life, and enjoy it immensely. Your assumption that nothing has been gained is incredibly ignorant. How would you know? As for my writing style, if you don't like it, don't read my posts. Help my case? I have no case to make. I have nothing to prove to you.
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I recall saving the life of a child here many years ago, when I was in college and he was 5 years old and was choking to death. What about the other little boy who was sexually assaulted by neighbor kids and no one would help his family deal with it? Do you think that they think that what I did didn't make an impact?

It's not that I've "tried to do something," I have done more than something. I've worked w/plenty of others who've done more than I have, and together, we've accomplished a great deal. EPA is the result of, in large part, what happens when YOUR town is so deeply racist that they don't allow African Americans to buy houses there. The racist history goes back decades. That's why I deliberately used the term manifest destiny in my previous post. Are you aware of Palo Alto's history with not selling to African Americans or Asians?

Have you ever considered that you don't really know what you're talking about, when it comes to EPA? As is typical, you focus on a segment of the population who create drama, make headlines and don't contribute anything to society. These type of people exist everywhere, but they're not the majority population. You might think that those videos are informative, but they're actually a narrow representation. Of course, if that narrow representation is committed to causing problems, it takes a lot of people to stop them - that's always the rub. And of course you need to be concerned about personal safety - everyone does - but the current hyper-focus is startling and, yes, stupid. It's also typical for a highly educated demographic, so you're in plenty of company. Why are you so concerned about crime, and what are you doing about it?

I have plenty of compassion, but I don't have compassion when it comes to fear-mongering, classist people who are scared of those who legally park on a street, pretending that these people are bogeymen. Palo Altans do lack common sense when it comes to their comments & reactions to crime, at least here. Some of it is truly ridiculous.

The majority of my work has had a very good outcome and that's satisfying. My neighborhood is safer than it used to be, for example. The values that I have are in action, and there are good results. I've helped many people and countless animals who needed it. But when it comes to people, I also practice a lot of detachment because I'm not responsible for them and I can't fix them. I either help people in emergency situations, or I help them help themselves. When it comes to wealthy people whining about their first world problems, but what it really does it reveal their bigotry, I have little compassion for them. I do pity them, though.

What are you so scared of, Bru, crime-wise? Do you have an alarm system, a dog, good locking doors and windows, a safe car to drive? Are you an elderly person, disabled, female, or otherwise typically vulnerable? Have you learned self-defense? It's no fun to be concerned about personal safety. Or is your focus on crime part of a larger social justice focus that you have, as it has been for me?


Posted by Bru, a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 31, 2013 at 7:16 am

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