Ca Senate passes one-payer health bill -- voice your opinion to the governor
Original post made by $25k annual copays and non-covered medical on Sep 9, 2006
A good blog discussion at
Links (there are many others pro and con if you use Google)
The Governor has a 24 HOUR automated voting system set up that will
take messages on SB 840 specifically. When you call press 1 (for
English), then 2 (to speak out on issues), then 4 (for SB 840), then
You can call and place a vote now at 916-445-2841
I did this and was not able to leave a message, only place a yes or no vote.
You can email the governor your opinion at
<Web Link>Web Link
I do not personally know whether this is a well-crafted bill yet or not, I am posting it because it's such a relevant issue for our community, both for businesses and families.
I do have a comment about reform in general: according to Public Citizen, less than 50% of health care dollars we spend today go to actual care, the rest go to support a truly massive (mostly private) bureaucracy and profit. Unfortunately, profit incentives to delay and deny care encourage more, not less, bureaucracy. In other words, the efficiencies of the marketplace have fostered a bureaucracy the likes of which any non-profit or government agency would be hard-pressed to emulate.
Of course, by the example of other sectors of the economy where the consumer can essentially be held hostage -- utilities, water, sewer, to name a few -- generally private control doesn't provide added value, it's just too easy to take advantage. In those areas, government often does a better, more efficient and more effective job. We're not asking government to provide the care, simply to administer a single-payer insurance.
We need a system that functions primarily to provide good care. At this point, I think we shouldn't be afraid of trying a new way to finance health care. I'm at least going to read the bill very carefully and voice my opinion to the Governor.
I would love to see a thoughtful discussion on THIS bill specifically.
on Sep 9, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Why are you wasting people's time with this thread? On Tuesday, Sept. 5, Schwarzenegger said he would veto SB 840. There aren't enough votes to override his veto. Case closed.
Just to set the record straight, SB840 would have created a single-payer (that means the single payer is the government, which gets its money from all of us), state-run health-care system. It would have eliminated much of the private insurance market, reduced consumer choice and increased employer costs. Doctors who offered health-care out of the state system would be jailed. The governor wrote op-ed in Tuesday's San Diego Union Tribune explaining his veto, calling the system "socialized medicine."
on Sep 9, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Schwarzenegger said he would veto SB 840, but he still obviously wants to know what Californian's think -- Schwarzenegger is not Bush, he actually is capable of thinking about it and changing his mind based on the facts and the will of Californians -- and he's learned from not listening during the last election. Hence the value of a thoughtful discussion about it -- the bill is still alive.
As I said, I have not made up my mind about this bill. Well-implemented reform is truly necessary. If not this bill, I would like to see the governor offer an alternative.
I wouldn't want to see employer costs increase; if that would happen under such a bill, then it's not good legislation. Based on what I have read, that doesn't appear to be the case, it appears it would save employers money. Eliminating the private insurance market would be a monumental savings. The influences also distort the market and increase the cost of care substantially. I think that is actually the most important aspect of the bill.
We can do better than this, for our loved ones, for ourselves, for the dedicated people who commit their lives to provide care. At this point, we could so easily do better than this.
A friend compared the care she received in Australia when she had a premature birth which required a stay in intensive care for her newborn with the care she received here for an uncomplicated birth with no anesthesia after which she went home the next day. Her share of the former care was only about $2,000 (20% of the total) for everything including her own hospital stay; the latter care totalled over $20,000 when all was said and done. She said the care in the Australian hospital was significantly better, too.
Before anyone writes any hateful "then leave" type messages (which are so common when anyone tries to point out that we really don't have to put up with this dysfunctional system), let me just respond now by saying if such a person thinks so little of our country that we cannot do better than this, then perhaps s/he should take that message to the mirror and read it there.
Even if the bill isn't perfect, perhaps just doing something to get us out of this inaction of fear and prove to ourselves that we can survive change -- and then work the problems out of the new legislation by refining it so that we do fix our broken, bloated, and bureaucratically-burdened healthcare system -- perhaps that is the first giant step toward a better system.
on Sep 10, 2006 at 9:39 am
Look, SB 840 ain't going to happen.
If you want to argue about the merits of socialized medicine, how come there aren't flocks of people heading to Canada or Cuba? And did you know that if you need heart bypass surgery in Canada, and you're over 55, you don't get it. They ration care. So those people are left to die.
Socialized medicine has been on the California ballot three times in the past 10 years and each time it was soundly defeated by voters. Want to go for No. 4?