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No more 12th grade honors English next year

Original post made by yet another one, Community Center, on Jan 24, 2013

My son (11th grader at Paly) was told today that next year there will be no English H offered for seniors. So that leaves their choices as AP English or regular English. He's trying to decide if he wants to squeeze in another AP (he already will be taking 3 next year) or stick with the regular lane, possibly to the detriment of college apps. One more honors class gone!

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Posted by Former Paly Mom
a resident of Southgate
on Jan 24, 2013 at 5:51 pm

PAUSD scores have been going down since the eighties. Perhaps this is why?65maz

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Posted by Mom
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jan 24, 2013 at 10:16 pm

Wow. The poor child has such repulsive parents; I pity the student. Luckily, the student has only a little over a year in the cage and then can ride the getaway train to the Land of Freedom and Independence.

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Posted by well-
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Jan 24, 2013 at 10:30 pm

Given this year realization that an Honors English class was not recognized (weighted) as such by the UC, this announcement seems to make sense. Parents did share disappointing - having their students putting effort into challenging class, realizing that grade was not weighted.
Honors English: Web Link
Honors physics: Web Link

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Posted by yet another one
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 25, 2013 at 9:06 pm

Hmm, Mom, do you teach your children to make personal attacks on people you don't know?

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Posted by C
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jan 25, 2013 at 10:51 pm

I'm also a bit annoyed about the removal, although I do understand why it happened. There is a difference in quality between the honors and non honors classes; I just transitioned from an honors-student English class to an elective with a mix of honors and normal-lane students and the quality and depth of discussion decreased significantly. The real truth is there's no easy way to deal with this, and since it wasn't UC weight and could be easily condensed, the administration cut the class. Shame, but understandable.
I would be careful about taking AP English. From what I hear, it's very, very hard.

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Posted by Barron Park Parent
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

I don't think that it is right to put other people down just because they express regret about a course not being offered. It is easy to understand why this parent/student wanted the honors course. According to what was said, the honors course has students that care about the material but they don't carry all the weight and pressure of the AP class. It may make sense for the school not to offer the honors course any more, but it does not make sense on any level to jump to conclusions or to say negative things about those that miss the course.

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Posted by well-
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Jan 27, 2013 at 6:47 am

What is the situation in similar schools in the area? this question was raised in previous threads regarding Honors. Did other schools experience US honors recognition removal announced during school year, or post fact? Do other schools offer Honors English?

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Posted by list
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jan 27, 2013 at 1:07 pm

Local high schools with AP English and an English honors class that get an extra GPA point from UC: Gunn, Menlo Atherton, Sequoia (IB), Menlo, Woodside Priory and Harker High Schools.

Local high schools that offer two AP English classes (Literature and Language) instead: Los Altos, Woodside, St. Francis and Castilleja.

Local high schools that offer two AP English and an English honors classes: Menlo Atherton, Mountain View and Sacred Heart High Schools.

The UC doorways list shows Paly not offering the weighted English Honors class last year (2011-12) but offering it this year (2012-13). Did it get reinstated?

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Posted by Clarification
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Jan 27, 2013 at 3:54 pm

There seems to be some confusion. None of the courses offered Senior year ever offered a weighted grade other than AP. This year and previously, 3 lanes of English exist for 12th grade:
1) World Lit. (intended to the be the mainstream lane)
2) World Lit. A (previously called "World Classics")
3) and AP.
World Lit A did previously have an "H" next to its course title, but it was never weighted. World Lit A is currently/was an "accelerated" course but no grade bump is/was applied. The weighted "H" for UCs is available with American Lit H (previously known as American Classics).

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Posted by yet another one
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 27, 2013 at 10:18 pm

American Lit H is an 11th grade class. My son is taking it right now. World Lit H was the honors class for 12th grade. It is not being offered next year. My son doesn't even care that much about the gpa bump. He just wants a more challenging class, but is reluctant to take yet another AP.

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