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Original post made by Ray Banneke on Oct 9, 2009

Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize?

It would be wonderful if I could think why he won? Yet this seems more like a soccer participation award.

I think the Raider should get the Super Bowl trophy as a victory anticipation prize.

This is foolish and as was said in Norway this decision has moved the prize further away from the ideals of Alfred Nobel.

Obama is involved in 2 wars Iraq and Afghanistan + 1 near war in the Balkans + countless FID operations and many other direct action combat events.

Peace out.

Comments (22)

Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 9:28 am

There was a rumor in late 2001 that President Bush had been nominated for the nobel peace prize
There is a great quote from Snopes about this rumor.Web Link

quote:
"The deadline for Peace Prize nominations is February 1, and Bush wasn't sworn in until January 20th.
For President Bush, (or anyone else) to have produced accomplishments worthy of Nobel Prize recognition after a mere 11 days in office would have been a truly astounding feat indeed."


We predict that the absurdity of the prize decision will harm Obama politically in the United States, contrasting his role as international celebrity with his record devoid of accomplishments.


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 9:41 am

"We predict that the absurdity of the prize decision will harm Obama politically in the United States, contrasting his role as international celebrity with his record devoid of accomplishments."

Who is we Sharon?
You cheered when the US lost the 2016 Olympics. now you deride Obama for winning the Nobel prize--Seems that puts you into the same company as Hamas and the Taliban

As for a record devoid of accomplishments:
Web Link
"In fact, Obama's approach has already produced remarkable results. Russia and China, after long opposition, agreed last week to a toughening of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. And in a striking shift, Russia signaled that it may support tougher sanctions against Iran. The Obama administration's decision to cultivate a relationship with both countries, to listen to their concerns, is paying off."

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2009 at 9:49 am

So when had the nominations to be in? And what had he done by then? And now?


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:05 am

Aw, Sharon, you sound just like those radical Muslim clerics in Pakistan.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:18 am



The deadline for nomination was February 1, 2009 and Obama wasn't sworn in until January 20th 2009.

So what it that Obama did in those 11 days that warrants a Nobel Peace Prize?

Are we missing something ?

US presidents Teddy R, Wilson and Carter got their prizes after many years of achievements on the world stage, in Wilsons case ending WW 1.

"Today's Nobel Prize announcement: clear evidence that the Nobel committee is a strong believer in the doctrine of pre-emptive action."


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:28 am

"So what it that Obama did in those 11 days that warrants a Nobel Peace Prize? Are we missing something ?"

Yes, lots. In this case, the difference between nomination and award. Like, how many days are there between Feb 1, 2009, and October 1, 2009? I get 242.

You have dutifully swallowed the latest logical fallacy from AM radio again.


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:38 am

Sharon--I suggest you contact the Nobel committee with your questions:
1) Who nominated Obama.
2) When was the prize winner determined
3) Why did they decide to give the award to Obama

I am not sure why you are getting on Obama's case about this. i do not know if he knew he was a nominee and I cannot see him lobbying for the prize.
Why don;t you send your complaints to Norway. Right now, you sounds like a shill for Hamas and Al Qeida. You may want to read Mike Huckabee's comments


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:17 am

Contrast Obama's style with Bush's overheated bluster and ineffectual wars, and this prize seems inevitable.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:47 am


"We, the German Führer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.
We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chamberlain read the above statement in front of 10 Downing St. and said:

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour.
I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

Web Link

Neville Chamberlain was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

At least he had a piece of paper he could wave around. What does Obama have, other than the love of a group of leftists in Norway?



Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 11:55 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

To paraphrase Paul, Everything Bush did was wrong, everything Obama does is correct. Remarkable.


Posted by The real sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Walter-- Obama did not campaign for this award-- it was given to him. Gary-- not sure why you think that chamberlain has anything to do with Obama, but I guess you have to bash him somehow. Sad that you cannot happy that an American was honored. Congrats on being on the same page with Hamas and the Taliban.


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck School
on Oct 9, 2009 at 1:18 pm

I do admit to liking Obama better than Bush, but I still think the Nobel committee does a disservice to the peace prize when they dont hand it out for achievements and this is not the first time they have done it. They dont had out science or econmics prizes for good intent or potential, but they do the peace prize. They seem to want to preemptively influence behavior with this award.

I did hear on the radio that maybe this was an acknowledgement of the positive outcome of the beer summit. ;-)

ok, sorry to distract from the right vs left bashing, please continue. ;-)


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 1:31 pm

real sharon,

I could see Reagan being so honored, while he was still alive, becasue he accomplished a huge amount toward world peace, with freedom. However, Obama has done nothing. It makes another mockery of the Nobel Peace Prize.

If Obama succeeds in consolidating GWB's liberation in Iraq and Afghanistan, or if he can accomplish middle east agreements for peace, I could possibly see supporting such a prize for him, but he has not done so, yet. Chamberlain accomplihed nothing, while pretending to accomplish peace, through "diplomacy". Obama cannot even pretend that he has accomplished peace, diplomacy or not. His only accomplishment is that he got himself elected. The lefties that run the Norwegian Nobel committee are in the tank for Obama...think of them as Keith Olberman or Chris Matthews...that's all there is to it. Just like Obama, it is all existential emptiness.

The bottom line is that this Nobel prize was an embarrassment for all involved.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm

Well Obama seems a bit abashed by the award. Hundreds of people get nominated--it's no surprise that an incoming U.S. president was.

Obama has dramatically shifted the U.S. approach to diplomacy. I think some of you are conveniently forgetting just how antagonistic and contemptuous Bush and Cheney were toward other countries. Obama's awareness of other points of view and how the U.S. is viewed is a dramatic shift and, yes, one more likely to bring genuine peace.

His speech in the Middle East created a true PR problem for Al Qaeda and groups that depend on anti-westernism. Who he is--nonwhite with a funny name speaks volumes.

I do think the award is premature, to say the least. But there have been quirky awards before--Teddy Roosevelt, everyone's favorite imperialist, got the peace prize as I recall.

As usual, the right-wing is responding irrationally and with hate. I hope at some point that their extremism will be recognized for what it is and ignored. It's just knee-jerk reactions at this point. The Democrats weaken themselves by giving it so much credence.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 2:02 pm

OP,

"But there have been quirky awards before--Teddy Roosevelt, everyone's favorite imperialist, got the peace prize as I recall."

TR got it for mediating the end of the Russo-Japanese war. It was tough sledding, but he got it done.

I expect better from you, OP. Please remember to do your homework.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 9, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Gary,

And Reagan's policies in Afghanistan is part of the reason we're there now. Realpolitick resulted in all sorts of long-term messes. I expected better from you.

Roosevelt pretty much created the Spanish-American War--there are things I like about his record, but he was still the most imperialist of all American presidents.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2009 at 2:28 pm

Obama himself seems completely surprised and a little confused why he received the award. There are many of us who are not belittling Obama by asking why, he didn't seek it, but asking the Nobel Institute why? It is not belittling Obama, but it is belittling the award and the institute itself.

At least Chamberlain thought he had achieved something and many at the time, like him, thought something positive had occurred.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 2:45 pm

"And Reagan's policies in Afghanistan is part of the reason we're there now. Realpolitick resulted in all sorts of long-term messes"

It was the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan that got it going. Reagan reacted approriately, by sending in Stinger missles, to lift Soviet airpower, and make the Soviets pay a real price. The Taliban are part of the blowback, but it was hardly a problem that Reagan created.

Reagan led a very successful policy of challenging the Soviet Union. That is why there is no longer a Berlin Wall. Reagan was an obvious potential winner of the Noble Peace Prize, but the lefties that control that medal would not even consider it. The NPP has become a very sad joke.

You are off your game today, OP. I know you have the neurons, but you are being a tad lazy.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 3:06 pm

"Reagan's policies in Afghanistan is part of the reason we're there now"

Reagan's policies were the same as Bush's policies: inattention and incompetence. Neither followed up and cemented his victory when it would have been so easy to gain an ally.

Reagan's goof-off left behind a civil war that the Taliban eventually won. Bush chased out the Taliban with great fanfare, then looked Iraqwardly away as they regrouped and Afghanistan became the number one opium exporter in the world. Worse, he obligingly provided them an insurgents' training ground in Iraq. They are applying those lessons now in Afghanistan.


Posted by 'Mazing, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Soooo glad the wholly subjective opinions of 5 political selectee in Norway are the pivot point of reason in geo-politics. Why bother with the UN if they as so fired up important as eveyone who disagrees with them believe they are?
GEEEEEEEEEEEZ.......


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 4:20 pm

Gary:
" However, Obama has done nothing. It makes another mockery of the Nobel Peace Prize."
Then why are you attacking Obama. Did he ask for the prize or campaign for it? Why don't you attack the Nobel Committee? Oh, I forgot--Obama is not on the Nobel committee. I would think you would be happy an american won it.

"Chamberlain accomplihed nothing, while pretending to accomplish peace, through "diplomacy"."
What does Chamberlain have to do with this?

"Obama cannot even pretend that he has accomplished peace, diplomacy or not."
He has not. he was extremely taken aback by the award--but that does not matter to you--the point is to attack Obama.

" The lefties that run the Norwegian Nobel committee are in the tank for Obama...think of them as Keith Olberman or Chris Matthews...that's all there is to it."
Care to provide any proof or evidence for the above claim?

" Just like Obama, it is all existential emptiness."
Back to your favorite term or variation thereof--I guess you still believe if you say it often enough, it will be true.

"The bottom line is that this Nobel prize was an embarrassment for all involved. "
Is this a proven fact or just your opinion? If it is a fact, then provide some evidence.

The biggest laugh of the day was Michael Steele's pitbull attack (probably under the direction of Rush Limbaugh, whom he crawled to to apologize earlier this year) on Obama for receiving the prize. What a sad spectacle--the so-called leader of the republican party whining like a little baby.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm

"" The lefties that run the Norwegian Nobel committee are in the tank for Obama...think of them as Keith Olberman or Chris Matthews...that's all there is to it."

Care to provide any proof or evidence for the above claim?"

Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Barack Obama.


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