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The Climate-Industrial Complex

Original post made by Sharon, Midtown, on May 21, 2009

WSJWeb Link

"Some business leaders are cozying up with politicians and scientists to demand swift, drastic action on global warming.
This is a new twist on a very old practice: companies using public policy to line their own pockets.

The tight relationship between the groups echoes the relationship among weapons makers, researchers and the U.S. military during the Cold War. President Dwight Eisenhower famously warned about the might of the "military-industrial complex," cautioning that "the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
He worried that
"there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties.".........
U.S. companies and interest groups involved with climate change hired 2,430 lobbyists just last year, up 300% from five years ago.

Fifty of the biggest U.S. electric utilities -- including Duke -- spent $51 million on lobbyists in just six months.

American electricity utility Duke Energy, a member of the Copenhagen Climate Council, has long promoted a U.S. cap-and-trade scheme.
Yet the company bitterly opposed the Warner-Lieberman bill in the U.S. Senate that would have created such a scheme because it did not include European-style handouts to coal companies.
The Waxman-Markey bill in the House of Representatives promises to bring back the free lunch."


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Posted by George
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on May 21, 2009 at 4:06 pm

Get ready for a massive title wave of fraud and waste. New technology waves get funded be risk capital. Those that are risking money do their homework and make subjective and objective judgements when funding.

The green fraudapreneurs and complaining the that current massive loan program has too much red tape (process and judgement). Obama is promising to cut through that - oh boy.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 21, 2009 at 7:08 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Without the US Military-Industrial complex Ike would never have won any battles. Without lobbyists, Congress would pick businesses clean like chickens.


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on May 21, 2009 at 7:37 pm

Sharon,

I hope you can trade mark that phrase "Climate-Industrial Complex".

You've put the green fraud in a context most older Americans can readily understand. Indeed, just reading it, and the Eisenhower "Military-Industrial Complex" comes to mind, and then it all clicks. Different agenda, but the same motivation for the same reasons.

You get my "Hit-the-nail-on-the-head" award for this one.



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Posted by Under 100 Years Old
a resident of Midtown
on May 21, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Wow, bad enough all the Baby Boomers are still fighting over Vietnam, now you're envoking Eisenhower!

Here's something you old folks might relate to, from another old-timer by the name of Dylan, I believe:

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters (and Obama)
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on May 21, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Under 100,

"For the times they are a-changin'"

Wish that were true, but Sharon is right on target with this one.

If you would like to quote song lyrics from long ago, how about the Who:

"Meet the new boss..... Same as the old boss"

That's what is really going on here. Nothing is "a-changin", the intention and results are the same, the justification is the only thing that has changed so that those indoctrinated by liberal government schools will swallow it hook, line, and sinker.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 21, 2009 at 11:43 pm

from the article I link to above.

"The opening keynote address is to be delivered by Al Gore, who actually represents all three groups: He is a politician, a campaigner and the chair of a green private-equity firm invested in products that a climate-scared world would buy.

Naturally, many CEOs are genuinely concerned about global warming. But many of the most vocal stand to profit from carbon regulations. The term used by economists for their behavior is "rent-seeking."


A conflict of interest is a conflict of interest if you are red, green or blue.
Gore has a direct conflict of interest in this case.

Whay should he do?

He can decline to represent his financial interests, he can give up his financial interest and declare them or he he can keep quite about his greed.

What will he do?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 22, 2009 at 12:15 am

Regarding the the WHO songs, my favorite line is

" We wont get fooled again"

Looks like we will be. Are we deaf, dumb and blind ?


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Posted by Under 100 Years Old
a resident of Midtown
on May 22, 2009 at 10:39 pm

Regarding the the WHO songs, my favorite line is
" We wont get fooled again"

Exactly, Sharon - that's why we sent Bush Lite (i.e, old man McCain) and his white trash sidekick down to a humilating defeat.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 23, 2009 at 1:18 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

"...humilating defeat."? Look up "Landslide Lyndon".


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 23, 2009 at 2:05 am



Another example of the illogical and irrational tree huggers delusions

"In 2006, after 25 years and 50 million preventable deaths, the World Health Organization reversed course and endorsed widespread use of the insecticide DDT to combat malaria.
So much for that.
Earlier this month, the U.N. agency quietly reverted to promoting less effective methods for attacking the disease.
The result is a victory for politics over public health, and millions of the world's poor will suffer as a result.....It's no coincidence that WHO officials were joined by the head of the U.N. Environment Program to announce the new policy.
There's no evidence that spraying DDT in the amounts necessary to kill dangerous mosquitoes imperils crops, animals or human health. But that didn't stop green groups like the Pesticide Action Network from urging the public to celebrate World Malaria Day last month by telling "the U.S. to protect children and families from malaria without spraying pesticides like DDT inside people's homes."

"We must take a position based on the science and the data," said WHO's malaria chief, Arata Kochi, in 2006.
"One of the best tools we have against malaria is indoor residual spraying. Of the dozen or so insecticides WHO has approved as safe for house spraying, the most effective is DDT."
Mr. Kochi was right then, even if other WHO officials are now bowing to pressure to pretend otherwise."Web Link


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on May 23, 2009 at 9:32 pm

Under 100 years old,

Judging from your statements and your handle, I doubt you've been "fooled again". Most likely this it the first time you are being fooled.

That's OK, given your youth and education, err... indoctrination in liberalism.

Here's a quote from another 100 year old:

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." -Winston Churchill

Please check back and post again when you're 40 :)




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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 24, 2009 at 7:56 am

Outside, my thoughts exactly. Could have been myself writing 30 years ago.

And I am only 52, still under 100!! So I say "ha ha" not "lol"..same difference.

Back to the point. Simple human nature. The moment we put govt, ie just a few individuals, in the position to use "other people's money" to decide which businesses live and which die, we will get this kind of massive corruption of third-world proportions. It is a given.

Even in Communism, Russia, China, Cuba, whatever...there are REALLY RICH people. The difference between that system and free-market is that there are a lot fewer richer ones, the richest ones are determined by corruption not millions of individual free choices, and everyone else ( including the poor) are much, much poorer.

I prefer trusting the greed of millions of individual buyers and investors using their own money to make their own bets, to trusting the greed of just a few in power using other people's money to place bets that simply keep them and their friends in power and wealth.

Vote against greedy govt and for greedy individuals next time.


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Posted by A Better Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 24, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Ah, yes, let Enron rule the world. Worked out great for grannie in California, eh?

52 years of watching capitalism run people over when not properly reined in and still can't get enough? You're like the Tin Man - in need of a heart!


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 25, 2009 at 9:30 am


A terrible mistake by the World Health Organization, which has decided that it doesn't want DDT used to phase out malaria in the Third World.

Malaria kills about a million people every year, mostly African children.
It's spread by mosquito bite, and the most effective way to combat the disease is by spraying DDT.
That's how we got rid of it in this country and Europe and many other places around the globe.
It is a terrible shame that the World Health Organization has decided to side with environmentalists over African children.


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Posted by Perspective aka "Granny"
a resident of Midtown
on May 25, 2009 at 10:17 am

A Better ( younger) Perspective:

The Capitalism you blame for running people over is the same capitalism that brought EVERY free country in the world up in economics in the last 60 years.

The "running over" you are referring to, ... perhaps one day you will read something and learn who really ran over whom, but I will give you a headstart. Government rules trying to achieve social outcomes through manipulating private businesses are what lit the economic wildfire. Had we not had the Community Reinvestment Act, had we not had Congress ( under Frank and Dodd) ruling Fannie Mae and ACORN ( with BHO's professional legal help) blackmailing private businesses, the match would never have been lit for the wildfire.

But, of course, keep believing that the way of Russia and China and Cuba and Arentina and Venezuela etc is the way which has been the "engine that could", bringing all free nations into a prosperity the world has never seen before.

In the meantime, believe their reps, and the reps of the unelected tyrants who make up 3/4 of the UN, in the UN when they tell you that "climate change" ( the new Orwellian word for "Global Warming" since that has proven false) is the biggest threat to mankind.

Believe them and Gore and all the "green" businesses ( because, of course, none of them have ANY motivation other than pure altruism) when they tell you that one day when you are paying taxes, you have to pay ever more taxes to let a bureaucrat pay the "green" businesses to do work nobody wants to buy, (you know, because you are too ignorant and stupid to know which car, which home heating unit, which anything to buy, so you need some bureaucrat to decide which ones survive for you to buy)..and your taxes have to be given to other countries to help them care for their people because their people have been hurt by big, bad American "climate changes". And watch the tyrants and green business owners grow ever richer, and absolutely nothing else change.


And, certainly, never under any circumstances pay any attention to pesky details about how the USA has cleaned up its air and water more than ANY OTHER COUNTRY on earth in the last 30 years. All with no Kyoto, and still allowing our economic engine to pull us and the world into ever more prosperity. Clearly we need these economy killing "rules" to control our businesses!! And the UN, clearly, is necessary to make wise decisions about how to kill mosquitos before they sicken and kill millions more, because we are too greedy to know what to do and will harm millions of people selling DDT ( not one person has ever sickened, let alone died, from the use of DDT to kill mosquitos, did you know that?)

Big, bad USA!






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Posted by Perspective again..sorry..
a resident of Midtown
on May 25, 2009 at 10:21 am

As for Enron, you clearly don't know who changed the GOVT required accounting rules back in the 90s that let Enron happened...and you also have no idea who busted and convicted the culprits, do you? And, for even more perspective, do you have any idea how big that Enron scandal was compared to..let's say..Madoff? Shall I start a list of the economic scandals that have come to light from GOVT making horrible decisions in the last couple years??


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 25, 2009 at 2:49 pm

These things have a way or perpetuating themselves. A round-earth/industrial complex sprang up in the late 15-th century following Columbus' voyages. It's still around today.


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