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Democrats: CIA is out to get us

Original post made by Sharon, Midtown, on May 12, 2009



"Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself.

"I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others — that's what I think," said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.),
who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007."Web Link

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other top officials have long known about waterboarding and other tactics but did little to stop the techniques from being used.

Democrats had no trouble when the CIA leaked like a sieve during the Bush presidency.
Now they are whining because the shoe is on the other foot.
Get out an electron microscope to find the world's smallest air violin to play "My heart's breaking for you"

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 12, 2009 at 7:46 pm

IMO, the CIA should not leak documents. I think the Dems should answer, fully and honestly: "What did you know, and when did you know it?"

Since His Emptiness has decided to release some legal memos, he (or should I say his handlers) should also release those memos that desribe the value of waterboarding and other harsh methods. Let's have a 9-11 type commission, with everything being discussed, including the Dems trying to hide their heads in the sand, with no plausible deniability.

Nancy, what did you know, and when did you know it?

Pretty simple stuff, really.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Every leader needs to know the limits of his power, right up from the T-5 running a police detail. There was a BBC series "Yes Minister" that illustrated this. Subordinates keep "Pearl Harbor" files. This is why almost no one gets fired.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 12, 2009 at 8:56 pm

Speaking of leaks, gang, did any of you ever condemn the Bush regime for blowing agent Valerie Plame's cover and trashing her intel network? I didn't think so.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 12, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Valerie was given up by her own husband, Joe Wilson. After that came Armitage then Libby. It was a stupid charge from the beginning. The CIA assigned her to a desk job, once her husband gave her away. Yawn.

Back to important things: What did Nancy know, and when did she know it? Did waterboarding work, or not? Let's have an investigation!


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2009 at 9:28 pm

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I condemned the CIA for its inability to demonstrate Plame's covert status under the statute. That is why no one was prosecuted for that exposure. Libby was prosecuted for a bad memory. Bush should have pardoned Libby and demanded an investigation of the CIA mismanagement. I suspect the guilty parties had their own Pearl Harbor files.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 12, 2009 at 10:05 pm

"Valerie was given up by her own husband, Joe Wilson."

CYA mythology gets more desperate every day. Face it, Gary, your side blew it again. "assigned her to a desk job" and it's all right, huh? You conveniently forget the networks she would have built up undercover, and the sources she would have cultivated. All blown.

Or maybe you never knew. Maybe you got a lot to learn about intel methods, lil' bro.

"Bush should have pardoned Libby..."

Illustrating once more Bush's lack of guts, and of loyalty to his friends.

"I condemned the CIA for its inability to demonstrate Plame's covert status under the statute"

So you want the CIA to compromise national security information for you, huh? You people are a piece of work.




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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 12, 2009 at 10:08 pm

Honestly, how does it matter than senior members of Congress were briefed? It's still torture or as Wally like to call it, "an inconvenience." Pelosi and Feinstein probably were briefed and they may have understood the implications or may not. It doesn't absolve any one else in the chain of command in the CIA or the White House or DOJ.



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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2009 at 10:15 pm



Powell and his drunken side kick gave up Plame to undermine their boss, Bush in a grudge match.
Now the worm has turned, the CIA is spilling the beans on the briefings to Democrats on " torture"
Lets have an open hearing on who knew what and when, let the truth and chips fall where they will.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 12, 2009 at 10:56 pm

Yes, let's get this whole sordid mess out under the light of scrutiny. Let's get the CIA Inspector General's Report, the destroyed email archives, the destroyed videotapes, and whatever else is hiding under the clock of Procedures and Methods. Clearly, the CIA knew it had a problem and did everything it could to cover itself. Let's release the evidence and let the chips and indictments fall where they belong.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 12, 2009 at 11:04 pm

Plame was assigned a desk job after she joined her husband in Africa, when he was on ambassadorial duty. It was assumed by any rational inttlegience service that wives only come along on such duties, in such places, if they are part of the "team". Additionally, Joe Wilson named his wife on a resume that he put out on the Internet, when he was looking a job, contrary to his claims that he only referred to her as "Mrs Wilson" (what a crock!).

Armitage outed her to the press, not Libby.

Time to get over it, Paul.

What did Nancy know, and when did she know it? Let's investigate.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2009 at 11:13 pm

You never hear about Plame and Joe Wilson any more, they are under the bus.
No invitations to DC events-- nothing--zip --zero

very strange,
no one trusts a traitor, I guess


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 6:16 am

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"Illustrating once more Bush's lack of guts, and of loyalty to his friends."
On that I completely concur.
"So you want the CIA to compromise national security information for you, huh?"
I thought it was already compromised by the "outing". If the CIA left any nets Plame was associated with unchanged, they are as incompetent as some say they are.
" You people are a piece of work." I admit to obesity, but I am still just one person.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 7:33 am


In these Machiavellian times, it almost seems that the White House and some in the Democratic Congress who are still calling for hearings are at ease embarrassing Nancy Pelosi, whose prior value to the party as anti-Bush bomb thrower has now been eclipsed,
since she appears as a looney, undisciplined partisan who can do far more damage to the cause than she ever did to Bush.

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A source close to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi now confirms that Pelosi was told in February 2003 by her intelligence aide, Michael Sheehy, that waterboarding was actually used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah.
This appears to contradict Pelosi's account that she was never told waterboarding actually happened, only that the administration was considering using it.Web Link


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 8:55 am

Looks like Sharon has moved her vitriol to a new thread. She continues her attacks on a decorated soldier like Colin Powell and has no problem labeling people as traitors. She calls Nancy Pelosi "a looney, undisciplined partisan". Yet she gets apoplectic when Wanda Sykes dares to make Limbaugh the butt of some jokes

Sharon also rants:
"You never hear about Plame and Joe Wilson any more, they are under the bus.
No invitations to DC events-- nothing--zip --zero"

Has it crossed Sharon's mind that maybe Plame and Wilson are not interested in Dc events? But, how would Sharon know who gets invited to DC events anyway?

Of course, all of Sharon's postings should be taken with a grain of salt. This is after all a person who claims to be a "9/11" survivor" in order to further her point of view.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 11:17 am


Good move by ObamaWeb Link

"In a dramatic and high-profile reversal for his young administration, President Barack Obama is seeking to block the release of 44 photographs depicting abuse of detainees in U.S. military custody in Iraq and Afghanistan".

....Obama's reversal is sure to set off an outcry on the left, which has pushed the Obama administration to come clean about interrogation policies and other actions carried out by the Bush administration.

Time to put an end to all this nonsense now


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 11:30 am

"Time to put an end to all this nonsense now"

I am not sure what you are calling nonsense (though I hardly believe you really care on way or another).
I would call the fact that our country may have abandoned many of the ideals we stand for as being nonsense.

Web Link

" Asked by Bob Schieffer on Sunday how America could torture when it made a mockery of our ideals, Cheney blithely gave an answer that surely would have been labeled treasonous by Rush Limbaugh, if a Democratic ex-vice president had said it about a Republican president.

"Well, then you'd have to say that, in effect, we're prepared to sacrifice American lives rather than run an intelligent interrogation program that would provide us the information we need to protect America," Doomsday Dick said."


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 11:38 am

Obama's reversal on the release of the photos is just another example of how empty he is. He now seems to be concerned about inflaming passions in the war theatres. If he had core values, he would have understood this from the beginning, and would NOT have promised complete transparency to his leftist base.

Nevertheless, I give him credit for finally getting it right.


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 12:03 pm

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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Yes, Gary. I agree.

I give credit to him for reversing himself into the correct position, whatever the reasons may be ( and by now I believe his reasons are political, nothing to do with protecting American soldiers, but whatever, at least he did it).

This helps some, but does not eliminate, the contempt I felt for him for even opening the door to the debate in the first place.

Cheney is my hero. He helped bring this about.

But I will focus on celebrating a good outcome, and not on the circuitous route to achieve it.

Now,,what will the outcome be on "prosecuting" former Admin?

Let's hope that he pulls back on that also..though again, he has opened an unprecedented door in American politics from which we will never return to our prior level of trust in a current Admin to not prosecute a former one.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Perspective,

I am very big on Cheney, too. He gets it. America was not attacked again, after 9-11, and I credit him with much of the credit.

I do not assume that Obama will get it right, because it is right. However, if he lurches into the truth, I will support him, as I did with the priates/SEALS.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Good point..I need to start a list to remind me of what good outcomes this Pres has, in your great words, "lurched into", for when I am ruminating over another yet another dangerous decision Pres Obama is considering.

Pirates, Photos, ....oh yes, reopening the door to military instead of civilian trials for Gitmorians, ..can you think of others?

Currently stuck on the WSJ headline today about the Obama Admin daring to consider laws regulating Bank compensation, even of banks that don't take Fed monies. Another lovely idea designed to destroy our financial institutions yet further. Of course, Frank is in charge of proposing the bills, so I am sure it will go as well as every other financial regulation that has flowed through his fingers. Just learned today that the REASON bankers compensation is so tied to set outcome measures is FROM GOVT REGs passed by..guess who??,, in the 90s which took the decision making out of Board's hands, and made it "regulated" by laws.

Lovely. Let' put more laws in place to "help"!!


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 1:49 pm

"I am very big on Cheney, too. He gets it. America was not attacked again, after 9-11, and I credit him with much of the credit."

Reminds me of the stoned Beatnik who snapped his fingers every 10 minutes to keep the tigers away. Somebody reminded him there were no tigers within several thousand miles. He responded: "Sure works, don't it."

Some people see 'em as they wanna believe 'em.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 2:02 pm

Paul,

That was actually a pretty good one on your part. I, for one, would be quite satisfied, if Cheney continues to snap his fingers...after all it keep us safe from attack for over 7 years.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 2:05 pm



A rumble in the jungle Web Link


" The American Civil Liberties Union, which argued for the photos' release, expressed outrage and said the decision "makes a mockery" of Obama's campaign promise of transparency.

"It's absolutely essential that these photos be released so the public can examine for itself the torture and abuse that was conducted in its name, and so that high-level officials who authorized or permitted that abuse can be held accountable," ACLU attorney Amrit Singh said."

This may get Pelosi out of the fire, it appears she may have lied to congress about what she knew and when she knew it, a very serious matter.
I am sure Obama is glad that Pelosi has been greatly diminished by the revelations this week but he cannot throw her under the bus....well not quite yet..


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 2:22 pm

"A rumble in the jungle"

Sharon,

Indeed. However it will probably end up being a slow, and prolonged, acid drip in the stomach for the lefties ("How could he DO this to us, after all we SUPPORTED him!").

Political hypocrisy happens to both sides, so there are no saints on this score. Sure is nice to watch the lefties squirm, though!


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 2:31 pm


More like a tsunami of nitric acidWeb Link
"The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:

"The Obama administration's adoption of the stonewalling tactics and opaque policies of the Bush administration flies in the face of the president's stated desire to restore the rule of law, to revive our moral standing in the world and to lead a transparent government.

This decision is particularly disturbing given the Justice Department's failure to initiate a criminal investigation of torture crimes under the Bush administration......
"If the Obama administration continues down this path, it will betray not only its promises to the American people, but its commitment to this nation's most fundamental principles."

I wonder if DNC spokesperson Wanda Sykes has a pithy comment to add?


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm

I would have thought that Sharon and Gary would be praising Obama for continuing the policies of the Bush administration.
well, at least with Gary I know where he stands--Sharon just posts in order to inflame passions--she really has no feelings about the matter one way or another.
This is another tempest in a teapot that Sharon has latched onto in her daily trollings of the internet--and is attempting whip us all into a frenzy. She has still not let go of her Wanda Sykes fixation either.
It would be interesting if Sharon devoted her energies to the country's overall well being, instead of a constant parade of Obama bashing (even though she has stated in other threads that she supports Obama)--but she also said that she survived 9/11


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 3:09 pm

The country's overall well-being depends on continuing to survive..which depends on security and economics.

Therefore, anyone who is fighting bad policy in economics or the security of our nation is devoting his or her energies to the country's overall well being, by definition.

You may agree with the policies that this Admin is putting into place or trying to, and it is your right to have any opinion you wish and express it. But, those of us who oppose turning this country into an undefended socialist country will continue fighting for the overall well-being of our country as we see fit.

We may lose, but if we do, all of the country loses. If Obama ( Pelosi, Reid, Frank, etc) fail, then the country wins.

If you disagree, keep voting for these policies..apparently you liked the results of the last 2 years of Bush's Admin being run by Dems because you voted to rid us of the one extremely small check to the Dems so that they have no checks at all. If you like the results in 2 1/2 years, keep voting for the Dems. Keep voting for the Dems until you like the economic and security results... This is called repeating the same actions and expecting different results, a tongue-in-cheek definition of insanity.

If one day you wake up and realize that everything is WORSE after unchecked and uncontrolled Dem policy..think about how you vote and make changes.





Simple


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 3:20 pm

"Therefore, anyone who is fighting bad policy in economics or the security of our nation is devoting his or her energies to the country's overall well being, by definition."

So people like you, Gary and Sharon, who are opposing Obama at every turn, are fighting against his good policy on security, Obama's policy must be good,since we have not had a terrorist attack while he has been in office (this is just an extension of Cheney's reasoning regarding torture and how it helped make the country safe. Therefore you must be supporting the terrorists (Liz Cheney had it wrong).

"But, those of us who oppose turning this country into an undefended socialist country will continue fighting for the overall well-being of our country as we see fit."
Care to elaborate on that? Are we talking about an armed insurrection if you do not like what Obama does? Anything goes whenever you feel that this country is headed, in your opinion, in the wrong direction?


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2009 at 3:24 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

If Sharon was alive on 9/11 and is still alive today, she survived 9/11 by definition. I survived the Hoover administration


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Posted by jacob
a resident of Stanford
on May 13, 2009 at 3:44 pm



I find "Real Sharons" posts weird and irritating.
She mainly harasses the other poster Sharon, like some little puppy dog and then snaps at Sharons heals.
It has gotten really old.
She should get a normal name and stop this harassment.

To the main topic, interesting developments today, Cheney supports Obamas choice of new general to lead Afghanistan and Obama takes Cheneys advice re the photos.
The real agenda of the ACLU becomes clear, they want to prosecute a witch hunt against the prior administration and tear the country apart at a time we are fighting two wars overseas and a bad economy at home.
Glad they were stopped and I hope the judge backs Obama


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 6:03 pm

"I survived the Hoover administration"

Congratulations. I survived the Bush administration. I think we got a couple of great bumper sticker ideas here.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 6:38 pm

If Hoover would have supported nuclear power, he would have been just fine. How about Obama?


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 13, 2009 at 9:35 pm

"If Hoover would have supported nuclear power, he would have been just fine."

How could he? Nuclear power wasn't invented until long after the Hoover administration.

Those who do not learn history have to invent it.


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 14, 2009 at 6:47 am

Jacob-- (or Sharon posting from a different computer)--I am sorry you have a problem with my postings. So far the editors have not deleted any of my postings--so there must not be any problem. I have noticed this phenomenon quite often--if I criticize Sharon too much, someone (guess who) posts to complain about it and say it is harassment etc.
If you follow Sharon's posts ( and of course there is no way that you do not), you would understand why I reply to her postings on a regular basis--but just to recap she makes outrageous and inflammatory statements and makes up stories in order to justify her postings.
May I suggest you no longer read my posts, Jacob.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 8:56 am

"How could he? Nuclear power wasn't invented until long after the Hoover administration"

Paul,

I figured it would be you who took the bait.

In order use nuclear power, Hoover would have had to discover it. That would make him a really smart guy, like Fermi or Szilard. However, even though he was not that smart, he was smart enough to have used nuclear power, if he had had it. Obama is not.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 10:43 am

"In order use nuclear power, Hoover would have had to discover it. That would make him a really smart guy, like Fermi or Szilard. However, even though he was not that smart, he was smart enough to have used nuclear power, if he had had it. Obama is not."

Cute tap dance there, but you're only fooling yourself. ROTF. Plus, you left out Cleopatra, Napoleon, Geronimo, Charlemagne, Ghenghis Kahn, Elizabeth I, Montezuma, Washington, Sargon of Akkad, Adam, ... .

BTW, that's Hahn and Meitner, then Szilard. And you don't have to discover nuclear power in order to use it. Just flip on your TV. 20% of its power is nuke.

Next time you set one of your traps, please tell the rest of us so we don't have to wait for you to fall in it to start chuckling.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 11:04 am

Paul,

I'm still chuckling....

Look, Obama HAS nuclear power at his fingertips, but he refuses to implement more of it. That 20% did NOT come from him (a little history lesson for you, Paul). Hoover, for all his problems, would not be so stupid as to sabotage the economy by refusing to build out nuclear power. Obama is not exactly stupid, but he is empty. He would rather redistribute a shrinking pie than to expand the pie. Why? Becasue he does not want to offend his leftist base. Empty is as empty does.


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Posted by Hoobert Heever
a resident of Stanford
on May 14, 2009 at 11:09 am

Love Gary's posts--now he is in contact with a dead president and is finding out what he would have done had he had nuclear power!!!!
I guess gary seems to believe that if you say something often enough (i.e. Obama is empty) then everyone will believe it. But that is what happens when you spend your time talking with politicians!!!


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 11:34 am

Hoobert,

Now you have fallen into the end game trap...just as I expected some leftist would do.

I don't have to read dead peoples' minds. I just examine their records, and apply logic. Hoover was pro-business, and I have every confidence that he would have supported a build out of nuclear power.

However, Obama is ALIVE! He has all that nuclear technology, but he refuses to use it. As I already have said, it is because this live man is empty, thus empty to the nature of the problem that our economy faces. He is more concerned with pleasing his fellow lefties. So, how do we overcome this problem, with a win-win solution? My suggestion, and I am always trying to provide good suggestions, is for you lefties to start a grass roots campaign in favor of nuclear (hint: carbon-free) power. His Emptiness will then have the cojones to flip flop on nukes. We already know he is a flip flopper, so the question is: Will he flip flop on nukes?...that would be to our collective, and enormous benefit.

Will you lead the way, Hoobert?


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Posted by Hoobert Heever
a resident of Stanford
on May 14, 2009 at 11:42 am

Gary reads minds, communes with the dead and knows all!!!

"Now you have fallen into the end game trap.."
What ever that is.

".just as I expected some leftist would do."
So if you question "facts" that you claim about Hoover and/o question your "empty" comments then you are a leftist? boy what a mindreader Gary is!!!!

" I just examine their records, and apply logic. Hoover was pro-business, and I have every confidence that he would have supported a build out of nuclear power."

But it is all speculation--you have no real proof.

"As I already have said, it is because this live man is empty," and "His Emptiness"

More of gary's "empty" fixation. I wonder what is "empty" in gary's body.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 14, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Obama adopts one more of Bush's national security policies, how many now, surveillance,long term detention of suspected terrorists...Web Link

"President Obama promised to carry out his predecessor's threat to curtail intelligence sharing with Britain if the High Court orders the release of secret documents that detail the alleged torture of a British resident. "


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 1:53 pm

"Look, Obama HAS nuclear power at his fingertips, but he refuses to implement more of it. That 20% did NOT come from him (a little history lesson for you, Paul)."

Still squirming, huh? C'mon, get real. Obama had a pretty good first 100 days, but it takes far longer than that to build a nuclear plant, or any kind of major generating facility. But I do know that none of that fission juice dates from the Hoover administration. Just LOL now.

"Hoover, for all his problems, would not be so stupid as to sabotage the economy..."

Unlike Bush, Hoover was a very bright guy and a superachiever. But unfortunately for him and millions of Americans, his Republican ideology trumped his intelligence. So I must say he was so stupid as to sabotage the economy.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 2:28 pm

What better time than the first 100 days to promote a major effort on nuclear energy? The problem is that His Emptiness has his finger in the leftist political winds, and it don't look good to him. Leaders lead...he niether leads nor follows, he just spends. When the blank check is no longer available to him, he will panic, becasue he has next to nothing else.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 3:24 pm

Gary, Obama has his hands full preventing the economic shipwreck that Bush and Republican ideology have been setting up for the past 8 years. He doesn't have time to promote your pet projects, even if Herbert Hoover [giggle, snort, wheeze, haww] endorsed them.

'Scuse me. Gotta go now. ROTF again.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Hoover did support the equivalent of nuclear power, Hoover Dam.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 5:09 pm

You mean Boulder Dam, right? Everybody knows Hoover made vacuum cleaners.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 14, 2009 at 5:30 pm

Early common name: Boulder Canyon Project (even though it was moved from there to Black Canyon).

Official name, at the start of the project: Hoover Dam

After FDR got elected: Changed to Boulder Dam

Renamed in 1947, signed by Truman, back to orininal name: Hoover Dam

Herbert Hoover was very much for technological development, and moving people out of poverty through the use of technology. Indeed, the Hoover Dam was his equivalent of a nuclear power plant. It is abundantly clear that he would have advanced the cause of nukes, today. Obama doesn't get it. Hoover did.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 15, 2009 at 7:01 am

Just learned that every Thursday night Obama has a "public opinion" meeting to find out what the public "wants".

Wow..what a GREAT LEADER!!!! Puts his finger in the wind and shifts depending on if his PR dogs won or lost the weekly PR battle, instead of doing what he knows is RIGHT TO PROTECT AMERICA AND GROW THE ECONOMY. Just another "populist" follower.

Gosh, aren't you proud, America?


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 15, 2009 at 7:20 am

Yes, I am proud. It is too bad that you are full of loathing for our president and our democracy (i.e. your comments about our supreme court).
Aren't elected leaders put into office to carry out the will of the people? Or do you object to part of our democracy as well.
Nothing wrong with seeing what the public wants.
In fact, hasn't that been one of the big talking points of the republicans for years, that democrats are out of touch with what the public wants?
If the republicans would be doing what Obama is doing you would be turning cartwheels. It is clear that you object to anything and everything that Obama does.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 15, 2009 at 9:53 am

" It is abundantly clear that he would have advanced the cause of nukes, today. Obama doesn't get it. Hoover did."

Nice Googling, Gary. But hydro and nuke are not the same thing. I bet Hoover knew that.

BTW, why push nukes? Why not coal? We got lots of it, and mining and burning it shows those environmental extremists who's boss. Say, you're not one of those closet warmies, are you?


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 15, 2009 at 12:10 pm

"BTW, why push nukes? Why not coal?"

I have supported nuclear power for decades, especially when the lefties decided to trash it. I can have the best of two worlds at once: Clean and abundant and cheap electricity, while simultaneously challenging the leftists to prove their point...something they cannot do, with respect to nukes.

I think coal should slowly be displaced by nuclear. It is dirty and its extraction is particularly harmful to the environment. However, it is a national security treasure that should not be abandoned...we may well need it, big time.

I am confident that Hoover would agree with me, after all, he was quite intelligent.

Has the CIA briefed Congress about the importance of nuclear power? If so, I think we should have a truth commission to determine who was briefed...what did they know, and when did they know it? I suggest that the commission start with Jimmy Carter. We need to know who was primarily responsbile for endangering our national security and our economy.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 15, 2009 at 1:18 pm

"I am confident that Hoover would agree with me, after all, he was quite intelligent."

No, he would agree with me for that reason. He would agree with you because he was a Republican, from way back when being a Republican was a smart thing to be. Actually, I think he'd follow Specter's example, or set it, if he were alive today. Sorry, Gary. You're out of luck on that one.

Ain't it fun to impute allies who can't object?

"Has the CIA briefed Congress about the importance of nuclear power?"

Huh? That's not the CIA's mission. Getting intel wrong is. What are you smoking now?

"I suggest that the commission start with Jimmy Carter. We need to know who was primarily responsbile."

Hey, didja know that ground was broken for the last new US nuke plants during Carter's administration, and that the two most active years for nuke construction starts were 1967 and 1968, during Johnson's term?

Actually, it's Reagan we'd have to resurrect and blame for endangering our national security and our economy. He shut down Carter's energy independence initiatives in favor of buying cheap foreign oil from his veep's (Bush 41) family friends in Saudi Arabia.



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