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General David Petraeus: we have two weeks to save Pakistan from Taliban

Original post made by Sharon, Midtown, on May 1, 2009

UK Telegraph---
While we are distracted by Bidens Pandemic, a $400,000 vanity fly by of NY and the SCOTUS necropolis.

We have a very serious problem in a nuclear armed state and ally in WOT

"General David Petraeus, the commander of US Central Command, has reportedly told American officials that the next two weeks are critical to determining whether the Pakistani government will survive.
Gen Petraeus reportedly said that "we've heard it all before" from the Pakistanis and he is looking to see concrete action by the government to destroy the Taliban in the next two weeks before determining the next course of action for the US."Web Link

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 1, 2009 at 4:20 pm

Sharon,

It is clearly a serious issue, but our President Obama should be able to have unconditional talks with the Taliban, and they will decide that they no longer want to take over Pakistan. Reasonable dicussion should solve all issues. Problem solved.

Well, OK, if His Emptiness cannot succeed with talking, there is always bombs and waterboarding....


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Hmmm, what I recall is Obama pointed out that Bush didn't finish our job in Afghanistan and instead diverted our military to Iraq.

Wonder if you two can even admit that you just admitted Obama was right.

Nah. . . but it's funny.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 1, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Distracted by Iraq, Sharon.

In early 2002 the Taliban seemed extinct. But instead of consolidating the gain, Bush diverted and pinned down our resources in his costly and unnecessary war in Iraq. He blithely looked the other way as the Taliban rebuilt itself and Afghanistan became the number one heroin producer in the world. Now the Taliban's knocking on the nuke warehouse door.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This thing couldn't have played out better for the Taliban if they had been in charge of US policy.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 1, 2009 at 4:30 pm

"Hmmm, what I recall is Obama pointed out..."

Yep, His Emptiness has pointed out many things. Now he needs to grow some ball and take action. Let's see how he does....


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2009 at 4:40 pm

Gary

It is worth reading the original article especially the conclusion

"It remains unclear to policymakers whether the group truly seeks to overthrow Mr Zardari's government or merely to carve out a territory within Pakistan in which it can establish safe haven, impose Islamic law and plot attacks on external targets."

Now what "external targets" do you think they have in mind?
India, Europe(Nato members) or the USA?

Probably all three, but with access to ports and nuclear material DEFCON Web Link goes to DEFON 2 today, how long does it take for a ship to reach an Indian, European or an American port 2, 5 and 25 days at the outside, by air 1 hour,2 hours and 16 hours.
DOHLS has war gamed these scenarios, it is not a pretty sight.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 1, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Sharon,

But surely our president can talk to our enemies and make them our friends. What are you worried about...I mean he DOES walk on water, right?

Relax, we should be OK.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2009 at 5:07 pm


When an Indian, NATO or US port or city gets hit with a "suitcase" nuclear or "Dirty" bomb originating from the Taliban, in what was Pakistan,we will live in a whole new world for the rest of our lifetimes.
Including Total war with no mercy and only unconditional surrender.
Obama was prescient in invoking the ghost of Churchill in his talk this week.
Churchill did permit torture, firebombing civilians and as you point out the Atom bomb was originally meant to be dropped on Germany.
Churchill was worried that the Nuremberg Trials would kills too few Nazis, he wanted to eradicate them root and branch and put the German civilian population on a starvation died.
Naive hagiography will not win this war, sorry, police action.
Everybody can watch the videos of what the Taliban do to gays, women etc, and yet the band plays on.


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm

You poor kids. Gary having to admit that Obama was dead right, but not able to acknowledge what that means.

Sharon off on her usual drama.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2009 at 6:13 pm


General David Petraeus is no drama queen, he is telling it as it is, unfortunately the radical naive left still see him as General Betray us,
Well it is past bed time for them.
The situation in Pakistan, two weeks away from a Taliban take over, is no joke.
Those who have seen the war gaming know this, whistling past the grave yard does not work anymore.
Irrespective of how we got here and who is to blame, it is what it is, a nuclear power about to be over run by the Taliban.
The Taliban wants revenge on India, NATO and the USA.
According to Petraeus they are 14 days away from taking over Pakistan along with its nuclear and conventional weapon systems, a significant part of the Pakistan military support their agenda, that is why they have got so far.
14 days, think about it, look at the map.
We cannot control a 4th world group of tin pot pirates off Somalia, we now face a nuclear armed fanatic Taliban.
They can take out the Gulf oil supply in hours, attack Indian and NATO ports in days, threaten the US homeland in weeks and that is just by boat, by plane it is a matter of minutes and hours.
Wake up


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 1, 2009 at 6:19 pm

Sharon,

That may all be true. However, Obama will invite them in for a chat, and it will be OK. If not, then there will be nuclear war.

Feel lucky?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2009 at 6:52 pm



The Taliban only know one word, SUBMISSION take a look at what that means here Web Link


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 2, 2009 at 3:54 am

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Has it been 100 days? And Osama B. is still not caught? Gee whillikers!


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 2, 2009 at 7:42 am

WSJ re Pakistan Web Link

" Instability could cause the constitutional government to collapse entirely and the military to fragment.
This could allow a well-organized, tightly disciplined group to seize control of the entire Pakistani government.
While Taliban-like radicals might not have even a remote chance to prevail in free and fair elections, they could well take advantage of chaos to seize power.
If that happened, a radical Islamicist regime in Pakistan would control a substantial nuclear weapons capacity.

Not only could this second scenario give international terrorists even greater access to Pakistan's nuclear capabilities, the risk of nuclear confrontation with India would also increase dramatically. Moreover, Iran would certainly further accelerate its own weapons program, followed inexorably by others in the region (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey) obtaining nuclear weapons, perhaps through direct purchase from Islamabad's new regime."


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Posted by Joseph
a resident of College Terrace
on May 2, 2009 at 4:21 pm

We have no business being in either Afghanistan or Pakistan. Our meddling with Pakistani domestic affairs actually strengthens the extremists and weakens the moderates. 9/11 was most likely a Dick Cheney operation outsourced to Al Qaeda.
We are a nation of genocidal cowboys, slave traders and on top of it all... we dropped TWO nuclear bombs on the Japanese. We are the bad guys, more than anybody else.


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Posted by jacob
a resident of Stanford
on May 2, 2009 at 5:14 pm



The self-hatred of some Americans is wierd, but very much the fashion of Rev Wright and his congregation so we will see much more in the next 100 days and beyond.

The main stream will will react appropriately, with revulsion and contempt for them.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 2, 2009 at 6:19 pm

"We are a nation of genocidal cowboys, slave traders and on top of it all... we dropped TWO nuclear bombs on the Japanese. We are the bad guys, more than anybody else."

Joseph, just curious, did you vote for Obama?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 2, 2009 at 7:02 pm



Incisive comment from a brave warrior on the ground and in combat to protect our way of life, listen to his concern

"He woke the next day before 4 a.m. for a patrol.
As he slipped into his ammunition vest, he groused that back home, when conversations drift to the war, the infantry too often is misunderstood.
"You know what I don't like about America?" he said, in the chill beneath lingering stars.
"If you do what I do, then they think either you should have PTSD or you are some sort of psychopath." PTSD is post-traumatic stress disorder.

He exhaled cigarette smoke. "This is my job," he said. "There's nothing wrong with it." Web Link

Memorial Day Web Link is coming up, time to honor our warriors and express disgust for the self hating Americans.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 3, 2009 at 7:17 am

Hey, no problem. Our President told us during the campaign that Iraq was just a distraction from the real problem of Afghanistan. Ya know, a distraction that eradicated a terrorist supporting government who was the only one to publicly cheer at 9/11, that sent WMD deep underground into the deserts of Iraq or into Syria, and which coincidentally stopped the torture and massacre of, on average, 70,000 Muslims per year for the last 20 years, freeing Iraqi men AND women to vote for their own Constitution and destiny..but hey, who cares? It was just a distraction after routing out the Taliban and giving Afghanistan the room to breathe in toward building their own government.

And hey, we left it to the UN to help finish Afghanistan, and look what a great job they did! Don't you wish we had left Iraq to the UN, as the leftists and "world govt" people were pressing us to do, so they could destroy what we gave the Iraqis also?

So in the campaign our President promised to go back in and finish Afghanistan ( because the UN failed), but I have yet to see a single move in that direction.

Does anyone doubt for one moment WHY the Taliban is back on the rise in Afghanistan? Does anyone think that if we had a strong, no-compromise leader in office, that the Afghanistan ELECTED governement would have a stronger hand? Think about it folks, does anyone really believe that any terrorist in the world has any incentive right now to NOT push forward with his goals in any way possible? Do you really think that any terrorist is afraid of us right now? Or do you think they are simply laughing their heads off ( while planning to cut off ours) at their successful prayers that we elect Obama?

But, no problem. I agree with Gary. Our President will just sit down with anyone who wants to promote tyranny and terror, and talk with them and make them see the light, that there is no reason to keep hating us because he is now President (the only reason the USA has been envied to the point of blind hatred around the world since about 1960 is because Bush was in charge, ya know, no other reason)

To all the military, if any of you are reading this, do not ever forget that at least 56 million of us understand and support your job, thank you and love you. And of those who DID vote for BHO, I suspect a great many of them did not understand that they were voting against the preservation of liberty here and everywhere, and against you doing your job. Do not let the media and this Admin ever make you think otherwise.



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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 3, 2009 at 7:21 am

And before someone says "but they were on the rise before BHO", allow me to remind all of you that the rest of the world is smarter than our own fellow countrymen. The Taliban saw the writing on the wall, saw that Dems were in charge of Congress for the last 2 years and therefore Bush's hands were tied, and saw that the media had annointed BHO the next President.

Now, go back and research when the progress started unraveling in Afghanistan, and when it really picked up, and see if you can come up with at least a correlation. If you wanted to re-instate a violent, oppressive tyranny anytime in the last 7 years, when would you have started to ramp it up?


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 3, 2009 at 5:25 pm

"Has it been 100 days? And Osama B. is still not caught? Gee whillikers!"

Doing Osama was Bush's empty boast. You remember Bush, the guy who talked loudly and carried a swagger stick?

Let's see, Bush promised us Osama dead or alive in 2001. He left office 7 years later without delivering. How many days is that? What's 7 times 365?

Anyhow, it was plenty of time for the Taliban to rebuild themselves right under his nose.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 3, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Paul, please be sure to not think about when the Taliban started strengthening itself...was it before or after the UN took over?

And did it strengthen exponentially before or after Congress became dominated by Dems?

And how quickly is it now strenghtening with BHO the POTUS?

But hey, you can be forgiven for thinking the way you do. I know a very sweet and wonderful person from Afghanistan who also thinks similarly, blamed "Bush" and Repubs for not finishing the job after raising all kinds of ...stuff...about not letting the UN take over..and is shocked to find that the Taliban has been on a rise lately, and is on a massive rise right now, that terror out of Pakistan is on a massive rise, and that nobody here is saying or doing anything about it...scratching his/her head and wondering why??

These things do not happen in a vacuum.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 3, 2009 at 7:31 pm


NYT
As the insurgency of the Taliban and Al Qaeda spreads in Pakistan, senior American officials say they are increasingly concerned about new vulnerabilities for Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, including the potential for militants to snatch a weapon in transport or to insert sympathizers into laboratories or fuel-production facilities.

--the United States does not know where all of Pakistan's nuclear sites are located, and its concerns have intensified in the last two weeks since the Taliban entered Buner, a district 60 miles from the capital.
The spread of the insurgency has left American officials less willing to accept blanket assurances from Pakistan that the weapons are safe.

The Pakistanis, not surprisingly, dismiss those fears as American and Indian paranoia, intended to dissuade them from nuclear modernization.
But the government's credibility is still colored by the fact that it used equal vehemence to denounce as fabrications the reports that Abdul Qadeer Khan, one of the architects of Pakistan's race for the nuclear bomb, had sold nuclear technology on the black market.

In the end, those reports turned out to be true.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 3, 2009 at 8:31 pm


here is the link to the NYT article I reference above Web Link

It is well worth reading the full article.Very troubling

This is a very serious development and has got little coverage here, apart from an excellent WSJ analysis, since it broke in the UK Telegraph late last week.
I am glad the NYT has finally picked it up, this is a real threat beyond partisan squabbles.
This is much more grave situation than Iran.

Pakistan has working nuclear weapons and has tested them successfully.

If the Taliban gets hold of them, which is very probable, they will use them against India, a NATO country including the US.
Detonating them in Israel will be difficult but they may try that too.

The WSJ makes the point that these events in Pakistan will drive Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey and others in the area to acquire nukes, internally or on the black market from ex-soviet states, N Korea or the Taliban.
Abdul Qadeer KhanWeb Link was instrumental in the N Korean nuke program and the now defunct one in LibyaWeb Link.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2009 at 3:31 am

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Paul, the opposition made much of the failure to capture B/L.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Anyone else hear of Pres Obama doing the right thing and going back to military, not civilian, trials for Gitmo prisoners..leaked it out Friday night when the left thought nobody would notice.

Gotta give credit where credit is due, looks like this Admin is waking up to truth and consequences if they implement the rhetoric instead of stick with reality.

Now, let's see what happens with his Supreme Court candidates..that will be an interesting evolution also...


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Posted by Connie
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on May 4, 2009 at 2:34 pm


Obama's rhetoric are illusions for his followers to fill their heads with words they wish to hear.

The reality of the job as president can be measured in the truth of kilotons. Something he will sooner or later have to deal with.

Here is another Obama promise modified to meet reality.
Web Link

.... "The more they look at it," said one official, "the more commissions don't look as bad as they did on Jan. 20
Next Obama will call Bush a genius.
Can I get a Cumbia


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 4, 2009 at 5:00 pm

"Paul, the opposition made much of the failure to capture B/L."

Depends on your point of view, I suppose. Bushies wish the world would forget about Bush's empty swagger.

"Paul, please be sure to not think about when the Taliban started strengthening itself...was it before or after the UN took over?
And did it strengthen exponentially before or after Congress became dominated by Dems?"

Surely you're not saying our fearless "dead or alive, mission accomplished" Commander in Chief Bush genuflected to the Democrats. C'mon, now. You're telling me this guy was hapless beyond belief. Didn't anybody tell him about all those nice new unitary executive powers Dick got for him?


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2009 at 9:55 pm

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"Unitary executive powers"?
Do you mean like "Sign your name, it's the law".


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on May 5, 2009 at 5:36 pm

It's technical. Anyway, Bushies wish we'd all just forget about it. Seems Dick Cheney worked real hard to give his boy George get a lot of executive power, and now Obama has it.

Funny, ain't it? Just like when the Repubs give the pres the line item veto in the nineties, but only Bill Clinton got to use it. These guys just cannot plan ahead.

But I still want to know why our erstwhile War President Bush totally caved in to the congressional Dems like Perspective thinks he did.



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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 5, 2009 at 6:45 pm

In the Swat Valley in North-West Frontier Province there is now panic and a mass of refugees fleeing the advancing Taliban/AQ forces who are less than 60 miles from the Pakistan capital

>Former Pakistan premier Sharif has for the first time openly criticized the Taliban for their "brutal conduct" and their brand of >Islam, which he pointed out included stoning to death and the amputation of hands.

>Sharif's statement serves as an announcement of his support for a new American-sponsored military operation in Pakistan.

This is an important and dangerous shift for Sharif and his right-wing party as it places them directly in the crosshairs of the Taliban and their al-Qaeda colleagues.

>Sharif has made his decision, even though it places his life on the line with jihadis.

His support for the "American war" will keep him going in politics. Were he not to do so, the result would most likely be some form of a military coup, which would spell his political death.


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Posted by What next?
a resident of Green Acres
on May 6, 2009 at 2:52 am

Obama will sooner or later have to deal with this very real problem.

Web Link

@1:46 who is the donkey he is talking about?

He seem to have a nuke obsession.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 6, 2009 at 11:54 am

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Another Truth or Consequence time for our President...

Pakistan, under the "encouragement" ( do it or we will not be as friendly to you) from our Admin, ceded a province to the Taliban to appease and "tolerate" them..and whaddyaknow, the Taliban is now trying to take over neigboring provinces by force.

Of course this policy is failing and causing yet more troubles.


When will the world learn, there is no appeasement, no pacifying, no ceding of land to terrorists?

Luckily Israel did not fall for that carrot-stick threat concerning Hamas...I hate that our POTUS and Dem leaders are having to learn on the job...


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