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Own a Black Car - Go to Jail

Original post made by Step Ahead on Mar 30, 2009


Sounds strange? The State of California by way of an unelected board in this case the CARB is planing on making the ownership of "Black Cars" a misdemeanor prohibited under penalty of jail and thousands of dollars in fines to own a such a vehicle by 2012.

The web site for the CARB presentation site: Web Link

The CARB draft text of the law. Web Link

OUTRAGEOUS !!

I wonder if painting all the road surfaces green is their next step in their global warming religious crusade?

Comments (17)

Posted by False rumors, a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:00 am

Stop spreading false rumors, Step Ahead

Web Link


Posted by Peter, a resident of another community
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:00 am

This post is mostly untrue. Here's an explanation from Snopes.com: Web Link

The board is considering reflective paints as a way of reducing the heat in cars, thereby reducing the need to run air-conditioners, thereby reducing excessive exhaust.

People should really check these thing out before they go ranting off.


Posted by Greg, a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:09 am

This hoax is being spread by polluter-in-chief Rush Limbaugh.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:11 am

One of the scariest times of my life was getting lost in downtown Detroit looking for the airport with a carfull of tourists. It was at a very busy time on a hot day and we were surrounded by cars which were painted all black, I mean all the chrome, everything, was painted black including some of the windows, and the cars had their windows open with so called "music" blaring. This was many years ago, but we felt so intimidated that we couldn't even stop to ask directions. These do it yourself paint jobs were really scary!


Posted by Step Ahead, a resident of Stanford
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:20 am

Can you people read?

Both web links are the CARB

One outlines the color information

The other out lines the law and the penalty

++++++++++++++++ The links say the following.

1) See the start of page 6 of 36 of the Cool Cars Standards

2) 95605. Enforcement and Penalties.

(a) Penalties. Penalties may be assessed for any violation of this
subarticle pursuant to Health and Safety Code section 38580. Each
day during any portion of which a violation occurs is a separate
offense.

The CARB of the State of California wrote it.



Posted by False rumors, a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:36 am

Yes, Step Ahead, and no where in the two links do they mention banning black cars. As Peter pointed out they are talking about reflective paints etc.
go back and re-read your own links


Posted by False rumors, a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 30, 2009 at 9:38 am

From the link I posted:

"The rumor arose as the board considered requiring reflective car paints and windshields. The premise was that a cooler car would require a driver to use less air conditioning, which would require less gasoline, which would mean fewer greenhouse-gas emissions.

Several groups, including the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which lobbies for the big automakers, complained that a draft proposal to change the car-painting process to make vehicles more reflective would "eliminate a significant number of vehicle colors" because darker colors absorb more heat. Even the ARB itself, in a PowerPoint presentation on the paint proposal, stated, "Jet black remains an issue," though it never said the color should be banned.

But eventually, the ARB staff decided thatthe technology required to make car paint more reflective "is not cost-effective" today, and won't be part of the new regulations, Young said."


Posted by Step Ahead, a resident of Stanford
on Mar 30, 2009 at 10:00 am

--> If you trust a reporter to get the facts straight then you deserve what you get.

More importantly if you believe what a government spokesperson says over the written word that will become the law a judge reads to determine your obligations under the law then you again deserve what you get.

I would suggest that you have limited knowledge as to the properties of reflective paints. I would suggest that you return to high school and take a physics class and gain this knowledge. Additionally you are demonstrating a naivete as to how laws are worded to prohibit a class of items with out specifically mentioning the item.

>> the ARB staff decided that the technology required to make car paint more reflective "is not cost-effective" today, REALLY then why (March 27, 09) do we have the situation below?

Remember facts trump feelings or political party talking points.

These are the facts now: Web Link

The 45-day comment period starts May 11, 2009

Draft final regulations released

Initial Statement of Reasons –detailed description of regulation,
technology, costs and benefits

June 25th 2009 Board Hearing

Here are the options on that day.

Staff can propose "15-day"regchanges
Board can direct staff to make regchanges
Board can adopt regulation as proposed







Posted by False rumors, a resident of Meadow Park
on Mar 30, 2009 at 10:07 am

Step Ahead--fine, if you want to waste your time getting hysterical about things that you a reading into a draft, then go for it.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 30, 2009 at 11:19 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Never question the need to place strict limits on the authority of any government agency. Had it not been for the uproar you better believe black would have been banished,


Posted by Brian, a resident of Evergreen Park
on Mar 30, 2009 at 1:09 pm

The wackos have taken over PA Online.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 31, 2009 at 9:45 am

God forbid we read the actual proposals and laws, which are precisely as stated by Step Ahead. I would rather believe the Orwelliann New and Double speak by propogandists, whose job it is in the Dem party to soothe us as we lose our freedoms.

BTW, what is TRULY hilarious about this is that the more reflective the paint, the more the air AROUND it heats up, instead of having the sun's heat absorbed into the paint and inside. So, the point of this is....? To add to the heat in cities with cars?

The more reflective a paint, the more blinding the glare. Unintended consequence? More eye damage. Is the ophtalmologist lobby behind this? More headaches from glare. Is the pain-reliever lobby behind this?

Typical silly "unintended consequences" from sillly bad law.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 31, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Was it nor Ford who said, in direct challenge to the ARB, they can have any color as long as it is...?


Posted by Window Virus, a resident of Los Altos
on Mar 31, 2009 at 7:55 pm

You wish this was just in Palo Alto.. It's your state legislature, a/k/a ignoramuses running the show in Sacramento!

Read the post: the color of the car has nothing to do with anything; yes, fools think they can write laws based on nonsense--and they are getting paid for it, no matter how broke California gets.

Let's see them change the color of your clear-glass windshield!


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 1, 2009 at 10:14 am

"God forbid we read the actual proposals and laws"

Apparently you follow God's will as you imagine it.

"BTW, what is TRULY hilarious about this is that the more reflective the paint, the more the air AROUND it heats up, instead of having the sun's heat absorbed into the paint and inside."

Total balderdash. Proceed directly to the nearest 5-th grade science class. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Apr 1, 2009 at 11:49 am

Paul, you must be joking, right? You are honestly saying it is balderdash that the air around a black car is hotter than the air around a white car? Hang a thermometer above a black car and a white car one day and see what ya get...

No, I get it..you are fishing.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 1, 2009 at 12:08 pm

Nope. I'm saying that what you actually said on Mar 31, 2009 at 9:45 am (go back and read it) is balderdash: "the more reflective the paint, the more the air AROUND it heats up." Hang a thermometer above a black car and a white car one day and see what ya get... BTW, be sure you measure the AIR temperature, and not the enhanced heating of the thermometer material due to the direct and reflected solar radiation (a common amateur error).

A little sunshine will enlighten.


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