Police hunting for 19-year-old shooting suspect Palo Alto Issues, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Mar 18, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Palo Alto police have launched a manhunt 19-year-old suspect in today's shooting incident at an apartment complex at 574 Arastradero Road. The victim, in his early 20s, was shot in the torso and was bleeding from the groin area -- he is undergoing surgery at Stanford Hospital, police reported shortly after 5 p.m.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 3:30 PM
Posted by Shocking Sad Times, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 7:25 pm
My family and I live on Arastradero Rd. near this apartment complex. Gunn let out a little early today for testing schedule, and we had many teens from Gunn at our home enjoying the sunny afternoon outdoors. It was a very festive after school mood in this neighborhood, populated with many children and teens. Many students were walking down Arastradero Rd., past this apartment complex, on their way home from school. This is the second terrible incident in this area of Arastradero Rd. in the past year and a half. I'm furious and sad at the same time, and I'm extremely relieved, that more people were not harmed. We wish the victim a full recovery. How sad for the families of both parties. Thank God no one was killed!!
Posted by Ben, a member of the Terman Middle School community, on Mar 18, 2009 at 7:27 pm
some one from the real world, is it wrong to want to know about a shooting in your area, near a school that you go to that you heard the gun shots to? seroiusly, this might not be as bad as it gets but its still not something that you should blow off
Posted by Brian Hausser, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 7:39 pm
I go to Terman Middle school and some of my friends were at Briones Park and heard the shots so yes it is scary especially for kids! They were approached by a police officer with a gun and they were all very shaken.
Posted by Another Person from the Real World, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Mar 18, 2009 at 7:43 pm
It doesn't matter if you live in Palo Alto or EPA, its still scary for someone to get shot in a residential neighborhood near four schools in the middle of the day when all of the schools around there have just gotten released! you cant say that just because there are a lot more shootings in EPA than in Palo Alto doesn't mean you can marginalize people's fears, especially when they aren't used to this.
Posted by MACMAN, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Our school was on lockdown. Many schools in our area were too, such as gunn and terman. My school is the one right next to terman. But that was very weird being on lockdown in our classrooms. hasn't ever happened at my school!
Posted by I am from the real world, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Sorry, Mr "Someone from the real world" but I live in the real world. I live in Palo Alto, I am not rich, I work really hard, I do not own a gun, and I obey the law. I hardly think I am cut off from the real world, just because I do not want shootings in my neighborhood, or live in EPA, or because I do not want my kid out in the streets while the police is looking for a guy who just shot someone and still has the gun with him.
What makes you think parents in EPA do not worry about their own kids' safety anyway?
And, by the way, I grew up in New York, I had to learn to avoid getting mugged, had to learn to be street-wise, and I did.
I have no intention of apologizing just because I want to be safe. My neighborhood is just as real as the worst war zone in Afghanistan. I am just as much of a person, and have the same rights as anyone else.
Posted by concerned citizen, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 8:30 pm
What is really sad at the end of the day is how a young man was injured and while it may seem minor right now only the next few hours will tell if he will live, and to what extent. Gun shot wounds often cause complications, be it spinal damage that could paralyze this young man, organ failure, infection. etc.
Secondary to the obvious, its young punks with no respect for the law and gun ownership (however i highly doubt he was even an owner, most likely illegaly purchased, or found it, borrowed it, Due to his age he could not have bought it in California, being 21 to purchase a handgun) That make gun owners look bad. Owning a firearm responsibly is one of the most rewarding things you can do as an American, the sporting aspect, the fact that you know you and your family is safe, and that you are using a constitutional right. Obviously with rights come those who have no respect and break the rules.
Posted by One World, One Love, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 8:44 pm
To "Someone from the real world" -
We live in Barron Park and know the family of the shooter fairly well. They live RIGHT HERE in Palo Alto! They are good hard-working people. Like loving parents everywhere, including EPA, they've struggled to put their son on the right track. This event is tragic no matter where it occurred. Please get off of your elitist soapbox SFTRW.
Posted by sorry. no name., a member of the Terman Middle School community, on Mar 18, 2009 at 8:51 pm
i was getting picked up from school and then there was this screeching noise and an 8th grader ran across the road and checked if anyone got hurt. Everybody was yelling, "you're crazy!" but nobody got hurt
Posted by Dekel, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Mar 18, 2009 at 8:54 pm
This is not an issue of race, housing, or gun laws or whatever claim wants to be made. It's a tragedy, and very unfortunate. Hopefully this won't happen again, but I'm sure this serves as a wake up call for the people in this so called "bubble". Just because we live in Palo Alto doesn't mean that dangers don't exist in this community. God bless
Posted by Monkey Fish Squirl, Rabit Goat, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Mar 18, 2009 at 9:19 pm
i agree with dekel, lets call this event what it is, one fool has a beef with another fool, he caps him, end of story. he isnt a serial killer out to murder people, he just did what he felt nessisary at the time, but it is a damn shame.
Posted by I live in the real world, a member of the Duveneck School community, on Mar 18, 2009 at 10:16 pm
More of this will be happening if the economy keeps spiralling out of control. People are hurting badly, and are scared. We better figure out quickly as a community, how to take care of one another as a community.
Read carefully the comment by the friend of the family of this kid. These are real folks. What will happen with all the families that lose jobs, lose their homes, or in some other way are seriously affected by this economic collapse? We can just call this incident a fluke...oh it's just the EPA people, this has nothing to do with *us*...or it's just a couple of fools arguing...But the number of people falling through the cracks because of this collapsing economy will be huge. We're all in this together people.
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm
It is alarming the victim won't cooperate with police. Sounds like he's hardly an innocent either. Doesn't anyone here ever see the forest for the trees?
And Palo Alto On Line, could you PLEASE stop removing other people's posts? I, for one, like to get a picture of the people in and around my community. Your playing Big Brother is not helpful, and not respectful of the amendment that YOU live and die by!
Posted by JustAperson, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 10:44 pm
I think this is an important enough issue that I would like to be able to read what people around town think. I would like to see how people in my community react to all this. I'm with TwoSides above: Palo Alto Online stop censoring every comment you disagree with, please. Half the comments are deleted.
Posted by SkepticAl, a resident of the Ventura neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I am truly just as concerned about living among people who would publicly and repeatedly advocate ethnic cleansing as I am about living among people who shoot guns. Hasn't history shown us the connection? How long until some innocent person is victimized because of his or her identity, by some ignorant and insecure person who thinks their bigotry can be justified?
And I for one applaud Palo Alto Weekly if they can keep that filth off their web site. The faster the better. This is not a First Amendment issue. The Weekly is a private company, under no obligation to publish anyone's speech. Go start up your own web site.
Posted by JustMe, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 18, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Dear Midtown Resident, there would be nobody left.
I am dismayed that this all comes down to stupid gang stuff. I am so sick and tired of the gang and the damage they do. Gangs are just baby-games played with deadly weapons, okay? "Who wants to join my club? Who's in, who's out. Us and them." All the damage they do, the crimes, the murders, the ruined lives, for what? "He was in a different gang." How short-sighted and egocentric can you get? Guns do not belong in your sandbox, okay? Some day, if oyu can avoid getting killed, avoid killing anyone, avoid jail and addiction, maybe, just maybe, you will GROW UP and realize how stupid you used to be, how much danage you have done, how many lives were destroyed or severely damaged.
The shooter was 19 for crying out loud. 19!!! He does not even know what life is about, and now his is over. What a STUPID thing to do!
The victim was 20, not co-operating with police. What's wrong with you? Is getting shot just part of the game? Are you planning on dealing with it on your own later, committing another crime? Is that the rules of the game?
This is no game. There is no do-over. This is for keeps. There is a bigger and better world out here that you are denying yourself with your little baby games. You think you are tough? You want to know what tough is? Tough is the ability to stand up and dela with the real world rather than trying to carve out some little sub-set of it to play in. If you want to be tough, face the real worls and stop hiding from it.
I'm ranting, I'm sorry, but I am just so sick of these gangs.
Posted by TT, a resident of another community, on Mar 19, 2009 at 6:46 am
Gun control is the solution to safer neighborhoods. NRA would rather everyone got armed to better defend themselves. The reality is that only those with criminal intent and vengeful heart end up with weapons and use them indiscriminately. Without effective gun control, no one is safe no matter where they are.
Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 9:48 am
According to the SJMN the suspect had been a Gunn student in the past and recently worked at Round Table on Ca. avenue.
As to the victim
"Alvarez, the victim, had gotten out of prison just two weeks ago, according to a close relative, whose identity police asked the Daily News not to disclose. The family moved to Palo Alto from San Jose "because we thought it was a good, nice place," she said.
Instead, she went on, Alvarez was shot Wednesday in front of his 3-year-old brother after taking him to a park near their home. He was getting ready to go for a run, she said, because he had gained weight in the year he spent in prison and was trying to get fit again. She did not witness the shooting and couldn't say why Alvarez might have been targeted. "Web Link
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 9:54 am
What TT and others is saying about self protection sounds more like the Wild West. In a shootout situation, innocent bystanders would get hurt. Keep your ideas of personal weaponry to yourselves. In yesterday's situation a shoot out in the street would have caused even more problems if a so called responsible gun owner got out there too.
Posted by Stephanie, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 10:03 am
We live right across the street from the park, and my kids were outside with our nanny in the park. I was home, heard tons of sirens, and then they stopped right in front of our house. Yesterday most of the people from the park filed into our house and we had an impromptu neighborhood gathering. I went to medical school in Houston and am very used to gunshot victims, but this is a shocker. All the kids and parents/nannies filed in very quickly to my house, and are always welcome.
We all need to be more aware. If things are going on around us, it IS our business. If we see a mother hitting her kids for ANY reason, we have a moral oblgation to report it. If we see any child neglected, or even sense that a teenager is involved in any way,we need to notify the authorities. It is our hesiation in getting involved and just wanting "to stay out of it" which fuels this fire. Looking at the 25 or so people in my house made me realize how connected we all really are. We are a human family.
Don't stay silent if something seems amiss around you. We are all responsible for what happens to our world.
Posted by YSK, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 10:10 am
SkepAl? I agree 'filth' should be kept off the forums, but not on topic commentary. No matter how unpleasant. Again, I want to know what my neighbors and community are thinking, ALL of them. It's educational and increases awareness.
I have been very shocked to see the postings of some of the younger people, for example, about not this, but some past incidents. What they find acceptable, and whom they villianize, is a shock to me. A matter of concern too. Some of the postings on the other thread on this story were I hope age appropriate and not a sign of something more ominous, an acceptance of gang violence being part of everyday life. At least a quarter of those postings just want to know if they have school off today. No other concern posted.
As to the family of the shooter, if they are the good people as stated above, I hope if they know where this guy is, they turn him in. It's the right thing to do. And before someone bleats about family, would YOU do that, yes I would. Ted Kazinskys brother is a hero to me. He was reviled by ignorants, but people with morals and values realize that his actions saved the innocent lives of future victims. It would kill me, but I would. Turn in my own kid before he went farther down the path of murder or getting murdered. He was lucky yesterday. The victim didn't die. View it as a chance. I know the prison system sucks, but the prison term for this offense vs. murder means at least he has a chance. A small awful one yes, but a still a better one than the path he's on now.
Posted by YSK, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 10:50 am
SOME of us can pay attention to BOTH! Shocking, but true.
Actually, I was thinking about the gang situation in Palo Alto. When my husband and I made our decision to move back to Palo Alto as our kids reached school age, we looked into gang involvement in the schools. At that time, some twenty plus years ago, the choices with 0-1% were Palo Alto, Saratoga, Los Gatos and some school in Marin. As my kids came up, there was the 'A' Street gang (someone told me the A was for Addison), and another small group, the names of which I can't remember. I recall seeing a member of the A street 'gang' interviewed by the news. He stood there, shirtless in his red babushka talking about 'the life' and how he'd be out of it next year when he went off to college. I'm not kidding. Those so called 'gangs' were a nuisance, but they didn't even come close to what we are facing now.
So, the statistics I looked at are over 23 years old now. What are the NEW statistics? What IS the level of gang involvment in the Palo Alto Unified School District? I know this District, they keep a lot under wraps. A reporter at the San Jose Mercury News told me some things this District has kept out of the public spotlight that would curl your toes. With Paly falling to a Silver status and Gunn slipping a bit too, that being blamed on lack of participation in testing, who knows what else is a contributing factor? Maybe it's time we update the statistics on our schools and gangs.
Posted by Gunn Parent, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Mar 19, 2009 at 11:15 am
The Gunn PTSA had a speaker 2 years ago about Gangs in the area (Mtn View, EPA, and Redwood City are active). What surprised me the most was learning about the significance of the numbers and the colors--red shirt with a #14 for the norteneos (N is the 14th letter of the alphabet) and green with a #18 for the sudeneos. Gunn's colors are red and black and Paly's are green. My son played baseball for Gunn and was number 14 on a red shirt. I asked the speakers (former gang members who are now working with the San Mateo police task force on gangs) if that was a concern. They told me that, in the wrong neighborhood, it could be a problem. My son didn't want to change his jersey number, so for the rest of the year, whenever we had an away game, he took of his numbered shirt before going out of the park, especially if he wanted to get some food after the game.
This problem had been around for quite some time and is getting worse--read the newspaper about the cities around us.
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 11:17 am
Lets Get Real, do you mean our esteemed City Council? Something other than plastic bags? Oh, the Horror!
You simply have that all wrong! If our City Council was exiting a session, and someone was shot right in front of them, they would run right back into chambers, first blame the Police Department, then have a special session calling for an EIR on the impact of bullets and the environment. You see, humans are biodegradable, bullets are not.
Then they would go to the home of a council member to celebrate their infinite wisdom. They would sit under their energy saving spiral light bulb, drink some organic swill labeled 'Milk' that was carried home in a natural fiber grocery bag, and eat cookies that were made with ingredients from the regurgitation of local cows.
Oh right, then do some cipherin' how badly the most recent crime will affect their property values.
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 11:26 am
The gun control issue is laughable. It never works. Criminals always will be able to procure weapons. The only people that law affects are law abiding citizens. I met Sonny Barger once, at Keystone Nightclub (formerly on California Avenue). The club had some very valuable equipment locked up in these special lockers. He made a comment about the value of this stuff on the black market, I naively pointed out that it was well locked up. His response has stuck with me to this day 'Babe, locks were made to keep innocent people innocent'. Makes sense. People who may otherwise be tempted would be put off by locks, people to whom stealing is a lifestyle, would merely be inconvenienced. Same pertains to gun control.
Posted by Awful, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Mar 19, 2009 at 11:43 am
I am sorry to have to welcome everyone in that neighborhood to "my life," so to speak. The majority of people in my area are not in gangs, but there are shootings. Most of the people in my area work hard, but there are still car jackings and robberies. Now you have a sense of what it's like to hear gunshots, the following sirens, then come to learn about someone in your midst being shot - usually, a youngish make shot by another male. You're upset, but grateful no one else was hurt. You're freaked out because you don't know how far reaching this incident will be, or when similar incidents will follow. It's terrifying, and we just because we all deserve better doesn't mean we get what we deserve.
Posted by Coulda happened here, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Mar 19, 2009 at 12:04 pm
One bad guy (gangbanger) shoots another bad guy (parolee) for no reason any of us are aware of. "Victim" is uncooperative with the police because he knows he'll make it worse for himself and loved ones if he talks.
So that means PAPD needs to get with whatever police dept. is affiliated with this group of Nortenos shooter says he's part of. EPA? RWC? MV? SJ? Or further north? Then the cops have to work together and get rid of these guys. Yeah, that's gonna happen right quick.
Posted by JustAperson, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Thank you "Awful" from EPA!
You are anything but awful.
Your note is excellent and exactly to the point. Thank you for reminding those of use who live in (much safer) Palo Alto that most people who live in EPA are hard working decent people who are just as concerned when they hear gunshots as we are! You are absolutely right, and I hope all the people who started to rant and rave about "minorities" read your comment and think really hard about your message.
The really bad thing is that when a gang kid does something like this, everyone from EPA, all the decent hard-working people who happen to be part of the same minority, have to field accusations, have to justify themselves, have remind people that they do work hard, that they are decent, that they don't go on shooting sprees etc.
I wish the gang hoodlums thought about all the backlash they unleash on their own families...
As for the people who are telling the minorities to get out of town, I must remind you that we all are minorities, in one way or another...
Posted by Awful, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Mar 19, 2009 at 12:52 pm
What you say is too true. People rarely do the math when they hear about crime in EPA. They don't think through enough to come to the conclusion that most of us aren't running around shooting guns and committing robberies.
Shootings create a huge domino effect, even greater if someone is killed. Every aspect of life is effected, and even strangers who may only live or work somewhat near the area of a crime are often negatively effected. This type of crime exacts a huge toll, from financial to cultural, from health to childcare, from lifestyle to personal and professional development.
When someone commits a financial crime, such as this person, the impact may be less obvious to the public, but just as dramatic, but since it's not a violent crime, we don't pay as much attention to it in our community:
"A former employee of the Lucile Packard Foundation for Children's Health pleaded no contest this week to embezzling more than $350,000 over an eight-year period from an endowment fund intended to help sick youths.
Marilyn Machalowski, 69, was convicted in Santa Clara County Superior Court of one count of grand theft with an enhancement for excessive taking. She faces up to five years in state prison."
Posted by Stephanie, a member of the Juana Briones School community, on Mar 19, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Look, I understand the concerns about the "affordable housing" down the street. These people need to be integrated rather than isolated from our community. There is one family that I give clothing and shoes to all the time, and they are pretty poor. Have any of you watched The Grapes of Wrath lately? Poverty and no opportunities leads to desperation, which leads to violence. We need to reach out to these people rather than villify them.
Posted by Carlos, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 1:44 pm
This incident is bringing up a lot of emotions, but the key issue moving forward is to make sure our community doesn't fall victim to the type of gang-related crimes/violence we used to read about in other parts of the bay area.
As a first step, let's look at the factors that would keep out all this activity out of town to begin with: 1. if this is a problem at school (even a small one), have the students expelled from the system right away. 2. if this is a problem within some of the subsidized housing in town, have them move out and give it to a more deserving individual/family. Let's create a environment of zero tolerance, and I'm pretty sure this will not happen again.
Posted by JustAperson, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 1:53 pm
To Resident from Midtown:
If you are without a job, it's not because you are white, it's because the economy is in free-fall. Lots of Latinos are without jobs. That's why I said earlier that we need to wake up and deal with the disastrous economy and its effects *AS A COMMUNITY*, and do it NOW.
I am not a bleeding heart liberal.
I'm just old and have seen lots. You are not any more likely to get a job by lashing out at Latinos, or at people who do have jobs. I am white, I have a job, but I can tell you that everyone I know is scared and is working twice as hard just to stay afloat.
Most important, it's not just my family that has to stay afloat, but my community. So I want you to have a job, because you are part of my community. Because you and I live in the same town.
Keep calm and channel your energy in constructive directions: racism is not a constructive direction, any more than belonging to gangs is not constructive. It will let you release some of the understandable anger that comes with hard time, but it will not get you a job, and it will not resolve the current hard times... And on top of it, racism will rob you of your dignity.
Posted by Parent, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I prefer people who have not raised law abiding children not move here. We work so hard to live here because of the good schools, our children work hard too and they deserve a safe environment and a good life. If you have failed your children, moving them to a better town is not the answer. The answer was to not have had children if you had little chance of raising them in a healthy supervised environment. This is a matter of family planning, of getting a good education BEFORE you have them so you don't have to bring them up unsupervised in a bad area full of gangs.
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Look everyone, this isn't an EPA or other communities crime. It's a crime that happened here, in OUR community. Why bring EPA into every discussion on crime? It has here happened before. Just because a person runs with a gang it does not mean that all shootings are 'gang related'. Does anyone remember the shooting of the young Asian girl outside Q's Cafe? That one isn't solved yet. The common belief is the shooting was a gang initiation. The murders of Philip Lacey and Herbert Kay. Those were murderers with other affiliations. Gang related, or random opportunistic incidents of violence? How can one tell? Then again, we also have isolated situations that have nothing to do with anything else! Back in I believe 1994, a kid bought a gun to the campus of that alternative school behind Jordan. My child was out in the fields when that gunfire started. I'll never forget THAT notice home. She rode up on her bicycle and said 'someone was shooting behind Jordan today'. At first I thought she meant a news crew was shooting footage. She didn't. It was gunfire. That shooter was an angry disenfranchised white kid, angry at the world. He threw out some 20 dollar bills and started firing indiscriminately at the kids rushing to grab the money. Fortunately, I think only one kid was wounded in the leg. The shooter killed himself. The point is, this happens in every community, and to every race. More, gang members can travel. Unless you build a great big wall around the City, you are vulnerable. Even then, those determined to get in, would. It's not realistic to believe we can wall ourselves off from this reality.
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is more prevalent in some cultures than others. That is also reality. It's in the numbers, not some form of racism. Some of this has nothing to do with the economy, and desperation. It has to do with other social factors that are unfamiliar to many of us, but all too well known in those cultures. It has to do with an age of instant gratification, and rampant narcissim. With kids believing they are due respect and money without understanding that one must work for those things to come by them honestly. Many kids say they feel their gang is their 'family'. As with any of us, it's difficult to make a person see truth when you are going up against their 'family'.
The best thing we can do is take a very tough stance on crime, and follow through. Allow our police department the latitude to to their jobs, without all this idiotic citizen interference. That is not to say don't keep an eye on things, no police department should be allowed absolute rule, but give them the ability to show that violence of ALL types will not be tolerated here, and give us a DA that will prosecute each crime to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted by JustMe, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I would like to point out another stupid recent shooting: Web Link
Different town, different outcome, same senselessness. I have not seen any direct link to gang involvement there, but I suspect it. More stupid baby games with deadly weapons. Now consider that what we are looking at here is only the dramatic and violent damage. It is not even taking into account other gang activities like burglaries and muggings and robberies, drug distribution to our children, and extortion. This HAS TO STOP! We have GOT to shut down these gangs, now! We have to ALL work together and with the police to choke this behavior off.
Posted by Lovely, a resident of Stanford, on Mar 19, 2009 at 4:14 pm
In reaction to the above comment, you really don't have any feelings do you!!!! First of all, I personally know the family concluding from this; they are a very nice family!!! Who gives you the right to judge the parents on the basis of this situation.They have raised three wonderful children in an honorable way and the family has done everything in their reach to help Danny. They have struggled and suffered but there is only so much that can be done. There are no perfect parents and they are hard working people who have done all they could have! He has three other siblings who are doing all possible in their means to get ahead in life. They have overcome obstacles of poverty and stigmas that have been labeled to them their whole lives. They abide by the law and are currently involved in sports, college and one is graduating from the university in less than two months. This tragedy can happen to any family even yours! It might not be gang related but an overdose in drugs, drunk driving..ect!!! Do you have any idea how horribly high the consumption of drugs is in Palo ALto!!! Are you really that ridiculously sheltered to have not been exposed to this!! You can only instruct your children but the choices they make in life are individual! Danny received all the possible resources and love..why he did this will always be a mystery...but this doesn't give you the right to point your fingers at the parents!!! And yes I agree,that all children deserve a safe place and by no means are justifying what has been done. This is unacceptable but don't speak unless you have gone through the hardships this family has experienced or judge the parents with such cruelty and disrespect! You live in a bubbled world where hardships obviously don't exist and don't think your children will grow up to be perfect little angels. I wish you the best in raising your children in this cruel world!!!!
Posted by Terman parent, a member of the Terman Middle School community, on Mar 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I take issue with the comment from Parent, South of Midtown, "I prefer people who have not raised law abiding children not move here."
You don't know what the alleged shooter's family life is like and you shouldn't condemn anyone but the adult suspect (after he's had his day in court). Are you saying all antisocial behavior is the fault of the family? What about mental health issues- is the family to blame for that? Just because parents try to raise children to abide the law does NOT mean all children follow their guidance!
And while we might not need to dodge any bullets from white-collar criminals, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the wealth in Palo Alto has come from ill-gotten means.
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I know better than to blame the parents every time for the actions of the kids. Once a kid is old enough to get him/herself around, they start acting of their own volition. You can hope you raised them well, and that your teachings stay with them, but that is about ALL you can do. That, and tell your kids if they do something criminal, you will turn them in.
My parents always told me that, and trust me, I believed them. That certainly played into my ultimately playing it straight in my younger years, because my mom said they would never bail me out, that I could sit in jail until the judge sorted me out. One of the smartest things they ever said to me. If I even had an idea to swipe a small item, getting caught and the subsequent punishment with no bail out was enough to make me think twice.
The last thing the parents can do for this kid now is TURN HIM IN or talk him into turning himself in. I saw a show once entirely based on if a family member commits a crime, would you shelter them or just not turn them in? The overwhelming majority said they would not turn the person in. That's a shame, because it makes these kids act with impunity! You are not serving your child well by taking no action.
Posted by Lovely, a resident of Stanford, on Mar 19, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Once again, where are you getting your information from to come upon the conclusion that they wouldn't turn him in or try to get him to turn himself in? How pathetic to think that they would try to hide him when they have done nothing but cooperate with police officials! They want the best for their son and are worried sick.
That is wonderful that your parents taught you such morals because the parents of this individual did they same!And it is my epiphany that you have no universal outlook when it comes to dealing and comprehending people in general.You should really consider taking some classes about cultural/social competency and psychology..just in case you would like to broaden and enhance your perception of society!Despite the fact, that I would have thought someone as supposedly educated and from such affluent society would have been informed about. Have you ever heard of the concept that we are all different.
So, in regards to your comment about not taking action....once more don't judge the parents and their take in this situation when you don't have a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Cops aren't on the spot in every little place in this City! People like YOU would complain if they were! The police got the call, they responded, the lowlife had absconded in a car. IT TAKES TIME TO GET ANYWHERE IN THIS CITY. Maybe they bust stoners because the stoners happen to be in the line of sight of the cop. Which would make whom the donkey? People like YOU are the reason I object to posts being removed from this forum. A lot of residents of this City have blinders on, and posts like yours help enlighten us to the kind of people with whom we share this City.
Posted by TwoSides, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Lovely, you assume too much. Your comprehension is off. I did not state any absolutes or 'information' in regard to family turning him in, I just discussed what the best thing to do would be and in my case, what I would do if it were my child. In no way did I impugn the family. Why so defensive?
Posted by Parent, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 9:42 pm
You know what? I have lived through a lot. This is why I didn't have kids until I was ready to supervise them and bring them up. If I had a child who got involved with drugs, gangs, etc, I would not let him out of my sight until it was over. Parents are responsible. If one of my family members brought a gun into our home, not only would I know about it, but everything would stop until the problem had been solved, even if I had to call the police to take him away. I'm sorry these families are going through this but when you raise a child it is your responsibility to teach them not to behave as gang bangers and murderers and to protect others from their actions. There would not be so much as a bathroom break for my child until he gave this up. Not a sandwich, and not a shower to wash off the blood of who ever he shoots.
Posted by cieboy, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 19, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I also object to all of the posts being removed. Suggest perhaps just blacking out the names or language that is objectionable so we can still read the posts. Thank you for maintaining freedom of speech. When Thizz's donkey comment is allowed (Note to Thizz would that be Perry or Niner?) then I am wondering exactly what level of commentary is being removed...also I think the PA police are doing just fine when they aren't shooting stray mountain lions.
Posted by Not Afraid, a member of the Terman Middle School community, on Mar 20, 2009 at 5:11 am
I live here at Aras. Prk. Apts. I do not now nor have I ever felt afraid. The same people that walk off their dinners every night were out again tonight slowly strolling and unafraid. It's always quiet at night, no one making an after-hours ruckus. There is just nothing scary here! We don't have serious crime here or anywhere in Palo Alto, for that matter. Have you read your Police Blotter?? Nothing EVER happens here, Thank God. So everyone is making a big deal out of this, including police and ESPECIALLY THE PRESS, because it's soooo exciting. Weee, something to talk about. I am not afraid of Danny Gil. I've known him for 12 years. Sweet, friendly, a little quiet, does not wear gangster clothes act or talk like a gangstuh, and is in no way threatening. He was probably in the wrong place or defending himself. Or he didn't do it at all. Hello???? What about innocent until proven guilty??? But, no, he is a "Gunman", and the other is a "victim". I can't imagine him doing this. His family is absolutely the sweetest, and I lived right next to them for seven years, recently moved two doors down. The papers have put such a warped slant on this (as usual with ANY story). Why you should not make a big deal of this is this: Your "victim" 1) Just got out of prison, not jail-- PRISON!! 2) came to the "shooter"'s private property, not the other way around-- but does not live here!! --Danny does. 3) Lived in San Jose where THAT GANG IS!! Got out of prison and is already in trouble. Sounds "innocent" to me. 4) "Victim" would not cooperate with police. Wonder why not?? By the way, some of these "subsidized" apartments, I'm sure most of you could not afford. We have quite a mix here of incomes. And the Other "incident" a year and a half ago-- the kidnapping-- was at Gunn High School, not here. Gunn is rated one of the best High Schools in the country!! And it happened there! PS- That kidnapper was from San Jose. So get your rumors straight, hold on to your panties, and breathe. A probably innocent young man's life is at stake, and the "victim" is going to be ok.
Posted by YSK, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2009 at 8:58 am
8 bullets, defending himself? TWO hit the victim. That left six. Which means 3 things: Gil-Fernandez is a crummy shot, he could have hit six other innocent victims, and he was shooting to kill.
If that isn't a crime I don't know what is. YOU may not be afraid of the little 'I need to be in a gang to be a man' puke, but others not so, um, lucky to share his acquaintance may actually think him scary, and at the least, criminally stupid.
And what kidnapping are you referring to? Todd Burpee is from Palo Alto, he attended Paly, and the girl attacked had just passed Classic Dog grooming when she was taken down. Get your own facts straight.
Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2009 at 9:40 am
Apparently there has been gang activity in the area for some time, how are such things monitored and suppressed at Gunn HS?
" Bob Moss, who lives in the Barron Park neighborhood where the shooting happened, said he started to see gang related graffiti on local streets in the late 1990s and began working with other residents to clean it up. Over the years, he has continued searching for and cleaning up graffiti, and has seen its prevalence wax and wane.
“There was a spurt last summer and then it went away,” Moss said. “Some of them were Nortenos tags.”
Posted by YSK, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2009 at 10:09 am
Tagging. Another moronic activity. So stupid, writing on buildings to mark your territory. Like dogs marking a bush. I'll never understand why these kids who want to be so cool don't see how really stupid they look to others?
Posted by Carlos, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2009 at 10:15 am
From these postings it's pretty obvious that most of us care about the community and want to keep it safe for a very long time. I myself am thinking of reaching out to the school superintendent to ask about programs to prevent or maybe eliminate whatever little gang activity there might be at the local schools. I see this as a cancerous cell that we need to eliminate 100% early on.
Some of you could also reach out to city hall for other of your initiatives, and soon enough we should have enough momentum to address all the important issues in town.
And a quick note to the censorship police of this forum, please don't be so restrictive. Some of the stuff that has been removed just sounded like factual comments to me. Thanks.
Posted by anon., a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2009 at 10:01 pm
There's been the N and S gangs for many decades over at Rengstorff/California area in Mt. View. Its not surprising to me that it has spilled south a half a mile. We need more police presence, Neighborhood Watch, and gang-task force, multi-city cooperative investigations, programs for kids. Of course, that all takes money and we're suffering right now. We need to end all the payouts for the Iraq/Afghanastan wars and start fixing our own communities!
Posted by JustMe, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2009 at 1:19 am
I have said it before, and I will say it again:
I encourage anyone living in Palo Alto to consider putting in a video surveylance system on their home. They are not all that expensive, check Fry's. Even the lowest quality footage of a crime could offer the police valuable clues and leads. Just record what goes on outside your home, including vehicles on the street and your neighbors homes. The cameras can be unobtrusive, even hidden. You have a right to record what goes on in public outside your home. If the footage is made available to the police when needed, so much the better. Can you imagine how much the police would have LOVED footage covering this shooting?
Posted by DoTheRightThing, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2009 at 2:01 am
Danny, Are you ok? We are not sure what happened but we care about you and want you to be ok. Francisco will probably be ok. Running and hiding is not fun and it does not make a problem go away. If you are involved in this situation, come and tell your side of it- yes, we do have to deal with the consequences in life- but that is what being an adult is about. You are 19 now, a young man. Come forward to the Police and tell them what happened. Yes, choices we make have consequences. You can still make choices that can put your life back on track. Things can feel out of control at times. This must be scary. You can make things right. Look at your choices and do the right thing. It is not too late. If you did do this, you are man enough to take the consequences and deal with the law, pay your dues, and then you can let this be in the past. If you are innocent, there is no need to hide. We care about you, your community cares about you. Help us stop the violence. Make peace with yourself and the world. You have a lot of love and goodness to share with the world. We miss you and believe in you.
Posted by Please stop the violence, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2009 at 4:19 am
Hard to believe that I just read a posting on this site about "how boring" this Town Square was and that all we talk about is "outlawing plastic bags". Wow, this shooting must really had made this persons day, exhilaration plus.
And of the tagging episodes: isn't this just an extension of all the tatooing that I see on the bodies of those exiting prison? Youngsters think it cool...wait until they see it up close when they keep getting caught tagging one to many times and they have to go to jail for starters..........GET A GRIP YOUNGSTERS. THINK ABOUT THAT....
"Outlaw plastic bags"? Then only outlaws will have them...
I heard a few years ago up in Los Gatos area where a murder happened where the person was killed by someone tying up a plastic bag over the victims head....gross to think about but people just don't use guns. ( Sadly, they obviously don't use their heads, either.)
We, as a community need to see what is really going on and I am grateful that this site is up and running for ALL to express their personal views. This world would be a pretty boring place if we all were "cookie cutters", all of the same mold.
Posted by Not Afraid, a member of the Terman Middle School community, on Mar 21, 2009 at 4:44 am
YSK-- I stand by my comments, did you read my posting at all? Yes, there was a kidnapping by a San Jose man of a Gunn High School girl. Your story is miles and miles from here. Much closer to Your neighborhood. Have you got YOUR facts straight? At any rate, the point I want to make is: violence can happen and has happened anywhere and everywhere. Including at the amazing Gunn High by a person from another city, not near or from our apts.
People, please, the newspapers are all blathering heresay, gossip, judgements and assumptions. And sick as it sounds, they are also "interviewing" little kids. So much sensationalism. One thing is for sure, they were not here, nor were any of you.
And you do not know Danny Gil or his family. His siblings are full-time college students, and graduates. His parents are lovely people.
The gangster who was shot does NOT live here. He lived in Prison, then a trailer park. He invaded OUR property. Gangsters notoriously harass and threaten people. I feel heartache for Both sets of parents and families.
I agree with DoTheRightThing except for one thing: It is never too late. Danny, get a lawyer to defend your side, state your case. Be careful, don't do anything dumb. It's too dangerous out there being on the run. Calmly turn yourself in. Maybe to a DEFENSE attorney's office so they can make the phone call to police and witness that you are taken in safely. You wouldn't have to hire that particular lawyer, though. You will be appointed a lawyer to do all your talking for you. It'll be fine. Take Care.
-- From an adult neighbor who cares and wants you safe and back on track in life.
Posted by MGMR, a member of the Terman Middle School community, on Mar 23, 2009 at 11:44 am
*Sigh* I feel SOOOOOO bad for Danny. He really is a good kid, trying to turn his life around.
And some of you people need to get your facts straight. He was not fired from his job, he QUIT.
And, I agree with the one above, he is NOT a real gangster. We don't HAVE real gangsters in PA. Maybe in EPA, but not peaceful PA. Gosh, people.
But yes, its sad to say this, but Danny should be caught. He is NOT a danger to schools, so stop fudging fliping out. He wouldn't just randomly go on a rampage and hurt innocent little KIDS. He has a heart, for God's sake.
I've known his almost my entire life, and he wouldn't hurt someone innocent.
God bless him, and I hope he surrenders without a fight.
Posted by Prayer, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Mar 23, 2009 at 1:12 pm
All we can do instead of making comments, is pray for the family. As parents you raise your children, teach them morals, try to lead them in the right direction. But they are the ones that will choose, no one can force them. It must be hard for the parents, and siblings having to go through this situation. Think! If this was your son, or brother that you love and that you saw grow, how would you feel? So the best thing to do is pray for the family, that God will give them the strength that they need and that all will turn out for the good, things happen for a purpose, we may not understand why, but we hope we will later...
Posted by the truth, a resident of another community, on Mar 24, 2009 at 9:30 am
so what had happened is that Fernando Alvarez, the victim (yes his name was published), had tried to punk danny when danny was outside in the courtyard in front of HIS brother and other neighboring kids. The guy was actually a SURENO gang member or maybe ex, and tried to call danny out. Alvarez actually started the incident and was saying "u aint nothing fool blah blah blah shoot me! cmon u p*ssy shoot me u lil b*tch!" When danny fired at him he only aimed around the waist and lower, he was just trying to teach him a lesson and make him leave. They were each at fault. Danny shouldnt have shot, but the other guy shouldnt have started it and literally asked for it in the first place.
Posted by A, a member of the Gunn High School community, on Mar 29, 2009 at 12:53 am
Haha, love it. "Stop playing Big Brother", Palo Alto Online. My comment was deleted from way earlier...it wasn't that offensive. I suppose it was harsh but it wasn't vulgar or inappropriate...people should learn to deal with opinions.
Posted by H, a resident of the Palo Alto Hills neighborhood, on Apr 3, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I've seen the suspect before, and we went to the same school. He's never done anything aggressive or looked for problems. I like how people formulate opinions based on press, which we know is not always the truth. Assumptions show people's ignorance.I don't condone anything, but it's not right to make assumptions without knowing exactly what happened. I could believe that someone was harrashing him, because after going to Palo Alto schools for 12 years, I've seen some of the dumbest, most illiterate people living in Palo Alto, just because they rent or someone left them a house. Living in Palo Alto does not dictate your intelligence or make you a better person.