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by Sun and Sand
on Mar 17, 2009
What's good for Chicago can stay in Chicago.
California Courts have now twice overturned the validity of cameras. Once in San Diego and once somewhere on the Peninsula; they are a waste of money right now until they can overcome the legal hurdles.
Sounds like a good idea to me. There are way too many people running red lights all over town, especially on Embarcadero at Louis Rd. and Greer Road. People are cutting through from 101 and oftentimes run those signals not as they are yellow, but when they are actually red.
Someone on this forum told me that both intersections have a small light attached to the traffic signal on the Greer and Louis side. That light turns red when the Embarcadero light turns read. So if you are waiting at Greer or Louis and that small light turns red and a car is still driving through, you know they are running a red. Cops sometimes sit there and wait to tag people.
If they are accurate, then I am for them.
Red light running is very common in this town. One might call it normal behavior. When the government collects money for normal behavior, isn't that called a tax? Aren't these cams subject to a 2/3 vote?
Red light running is not normal behavior.
Some people equate it with attempted murder.
"Red light running is not normal behavior. Some people equate it with attempted murder."
I'm not advocating; I'm reporting. Remember: in California you cannot use radar to enforce a speed limit that's de facto violated by 80% of traffic. In other words, lawbreaking trumps the law when lawbreaking is the norm.
If laws are outlawed, only outlaws will have laws.
Normal behavior is what people commonly do, like running stoplights. Come downtown sometime and watch. Hint: be really watchful for females driving Beemers or SUVs of any kind.
But I think you're onto something with that murder thing. Maybe regard for life is a necessary casualty of rampant presumed personal entitlement. And it can become the norm.
What intersections are you talking about? I cannot imagine people living when 80% of the cars running the red lights at an intersection. Tell me which corner this is and I will avoid it.
Sir: Please read my posting again, carefully this time, or have someone read it for you.
You are saying a particular red light is "de facto violated by 80% of traffic", right?
Cameras will be here sooner than you think. Tight budgets are going to force municipalities to find legal shortcuts to make our streets and city safer,and raise revenue at the same time. Soon, we are going to see automobiles made that are mandated with speed governors. I can't wait. Also, better and better surveillance cameras, adjustable remotely, will gauge the speed and behavior of automobiles, including the running of red lights. I can't wait. It's about time that we put a dent in the damage done by habitual scofflaws on the road, and off.
Eliminating 25% of city government, and reducing the salaries of the rest by 20% makes more sense.
Also cut the fat in the PAUSD administration and putting the rest on management by objectives is imperative, if they cannot prove how they add value to our kids education they should be gone.
We have 360 degree evaluation in industry, apply the same practice to government with community input on a quarterly basis and we will get the free loaders and feelgood politicians where they belong, out.
Introduce pay by performance where the public determines the criteria.
Sharon, I agree that we need more accountability in government, but we also need certain citizens to really understand what it's like to run a city. I think we need both of these things to happen. Civic engagement, anyone?
Years back the Police actually enforced traffic rules.
Maybe 5 years ago they appeared to stop this practice. Probably because of all of the commuters and commercial trucks serving the big corporations in the city. A policy of "Don't ticket our employees" apparently been enacted by our elected officials.s
Now red light running, speeding without any limits and trucks using residental streets is common. Even speeding cars crossing double yellow lines to pass slower cars is common.
The police appear to only operate in the downtown or Stanford Shoppppping center. They observe law breakers ,but don't ticket them.
Having a policy of law enforcement and ticketing could bring in millions and make the city safer to walk and bike ride in. Now bikers use the sidewalks, in both directions on one side of the street, as being on the street is dangerous.
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