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Obama proposes talks with " Moderate Extremists" among the Taliban

Original post made by Sharon, Midtown, on Mar 9, 2009


The very left wing Guardian castes doubt on the plan----

"The architect of Mr Obama's "smarter policy" is Richard Holbrooke, a former US envoy to the United Nations who has appointed Afghan policy expert Barnett Rubin to co-ordinate an approach to the Taliban.--

A Taliban spokesman said Mr Obama's overture was a sign of weakness, and poured scorn on the notion that "moderate" fighters could be turned.

Qari Yusuf Ahmadi said: "They say they want to speak to moderate Taliban, but they will not be able to find such people because we are united around the aim of fighting for freedom and bringing an Islamic system to Afghanistan." He said Mr Obama's comments reflected the fact the Americans had "become tired and worried".Web Link



I do not know if its a good idea or not but it seems to be getting the cold shoulder already, like to offer to Russia to end the European missile shield in exchange for help with Iran.

Traditionally states have kept open diplomatic channels even while they were at war, but in these cases the diplomacy is kept secret not announced to the NYT as Obamas initiatives have been.

Quiet diplomacy maybe a wiser strategy.

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Posted by Just say no!
a resident of another community
on Mar 10, 2009 at 6:59 am

IC we are now going to be pals with the people that shoot women in the head.
- But not still not pals with the throat cutters at this time.... That is all.

Phew I have hope again. Gee people this is change we can believe in!


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Monroe Park
on Mar 10, 2009 at 10:15 am

The Taliban are bad.
They kill their opposition.
They are hideous to women, and when they were in control of Afghanistan, they sheltered al-Qaida.

In Vietnam, it was always possible to insist that the communists were really agrarian reformers — or some such mindless formulation — and so when the U.S. capitulated, the resulting horror came as a surprise to some.

No one, though, can be surprised by what the Taliban will do.
In the very recent past, they have already done it.

The abandonment of Vietnam was sickening to observe.
The disfigurement of schoolgirls by Taliban zealots will be no different.

Obamas problem is the old adage:
'If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.'


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 10, 2009 at 11:46 am

While we are at it, why don't we blame FDR and Truman for not talking to moderate Nazis?

What idiocy..I can't believe it, but this Administration is even worse than I dreamed possible, and I thought that I was a cynic and a pessimist about the Dems being in charge with Obama at the head BEFORE the election!

I am learning just how naive I was.


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Posted by What a perspective
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 10, 2009 at 11:56 am

And we are learning plenty about you, Perspective


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Posted by samuel
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 10, 2009 at 4:25 pm



I am all for backchanells and suble diplomacy but this is a disaster.
Making public that obama wants talks withe the Taliban, Syria, Iran, Hamas, Russsia and getting publically rejected makes the US seem weak.

Meanwhile the administration srewed up diplomatic relations with our one true ally, the UK, by insulting the PM and saying that the UK has no special relationship with the US, that it just like anyone of 160 nations, is denying history and is completely crazy.

Is this amature hour at the White House?

More like clown alley.
the wheels are comming of the bus and this dog dont hunt to mix metaphors.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 10, 2009 at 4:54 pm

Talking to "moderate extremists" so soon? If this trend keeps up, Obama could be talking to Sharon and Perspective by early next year.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 11, 2009 at 8:45 am


It seems we were about to get caught in another group think about WMDs this time in Iran

From the Washington Post this morning:

Iran has not produced the highly enriched uranium necessary for a nuclear weapon and has not decided to do so, U.S. intelligence officials told Congress yesterday, an assessment that contrasts with a stark Israeli warning days earlier that Iran has crossed the "technological threshold" in its pursuit of the bomb. Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair said that Iran has not decided to pursue the production of weapons-grade uranium and the parallel ability to load it onto a ballistic missile.


Good news


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 11, 2009 at 10:28 am

No WMDs? No problem. Iraq didn't have WMDs either.


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Posted by samuel
a resident of Stanford
on Mar 11, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Heads should roll
President Obama's clumsy, smirky staff is sinking him -- and resurrecting a deflated GOP! Plus: Lay off Rush!
By Camille PagliaWeb Link


a very incisive and funny article by Paglia


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 11, 2009 at 4:12 pm

don't like her politics, but I started developing a respect for her honesty during the campaign when she cried "foul" on the media dump on Palin..and now is crying "foul" on Obama.

I fail to understand how she can continue to say she supports where Obama wants to bring us, but is very unhappy with the consequences of him bringing us there. Maybe over time she will begin to understand that every step toward the leftist vision of the USA is a step toward higher unemployment, poorer poor, more deficits, less GDP, etc. Once she gets that, I will welcome her to the rational side of the political spectrum.

We all want more wealth for everyone, better education, better security. better access to health insurance, less poverty, fewer kids born to unwed mothers so that fewer kids grow up in poverty etc, the difference is that one way actually achieves those goals ( the conservative economic way) and the other way makes all the goals further away.

Bottom line, if you reward a behavior you will see more of it...


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 11, 2009 at 5:41 pm

The Republican Party is in dire straits indeed when it has to look up to an old leftie extremist like Paglia, and it needs the Democrats to rescue it from oblivion.

Obama's realized that, if he wants to be bipartisan, he has to have somebody to be bipartisan with, even if he has to put those other partisans on life support.

And all this only 4 years after Karl promised us a permanent Republican majority.


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