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Jewish Leaders Blast Clinton Over Israel Criticism

Original post made by Sharon on Feb 26, 2009

Zuckerman, Lawmakers, Local Jews Say Secretary Of State Not The Hillary Clinton They Used To Know

"In a swift about face from her views as New York's senator, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is now hammering Israel over its treatment of Palestinians in Gaza." Web Link


An interesting development, Obama is moving swiftly on the Mid East, the recent high vote for the radical right wing politicians will give Obama cover at home.

Comments (24)

Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:30 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Where is the criticism of Palestinian treatment of Palestinians?


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 27, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Why are they so surprised? You mean, they really thought that ANY modern Dem would defend Israel?


Posted by samuel, a resident of Stanford
on Feb 27, 2009 at 2:03 pm


we clearly need a different approach to that difficult neighborhood.

our approach over last 30 years has made the situation worse,israel continues full bore to build more and more settlement.
Liebermans is on the verge of calling for ethnic cleanzing of Palestians-- it is a mess and we need to pursue the best interests of the USA and disentangle ourselves.
Israeli policy is not to make peace with the Palestinians but to pacify them by brute force.

Israel is in no danger, it has hundreds of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons.

We also have many things that we spend the Billions of dollars we can save if we cut of the aid we currently waste on Israel every year with no return on the investment over the decades.

Enough is enough, it is time to end the dysfunction relationship and focus upon the best interests of the USA


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 27, 2009 at 5:51 pm

I wonder what Rahm Emanuel's story is.
He's a lefty, of course, but I thought he was pro Israel.

I'm another gentile who greatly admires Israel.
I also know Jews who seem oblivious to Israel's plight.
I've thought, these people either don't know their own history or choose to ignore it.
Who knows, they may need a safe haven some day, the one they've turned their backs on.
I hope it's still there.


Posted by The real sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 28, 2009 at 7:29 am

Sharon--didn't you post previously in a number of threads that Obama must bring Israel to heel and put Israel in it's place?
Your postings sounded very anti-Israel. So what is the deal?
Are you just stirring the pot?


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 28, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

So Palestine offers Israel peace in our time - where have I heard that before?
As for the money we give to Israel, I propose we withdraw from the deal, cease giving money to Israel and a matching sum to Egypt, and that Egypt give back the Negev and that Palestine give back all the territory lost as a consequence of failed agression but returned to them by Israel in exchange for "Peace".
See how easy REAL diplomacy is?


Posted by samuel, a resident of Stanford
on Feb 28, 2009 at 2:55 pm



it is a question of the USA national self interest.

what have we got in return for our multibillion in aid to Israel?
absolutely nothing.
it is time to turn off the tap and ATM machine and spend those billions at home.

Israel has chosen to form a very right wing government with some very sleazy characters.

that is its right, but we do not want to be in anyway associated with such a regime.
it is contiuing the greater Israel strategy and will have a rabid racist Russian thug in its cabinet.
again that is it right, but they should expect no help from the
USA.
Our interests are with the moderate Arab states and launching a new diplomacy with the population of Iran


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 28, 2009 at 7:53 pm

It is clear that the Obama administration will have a different policy towards the tribal Israeli /Palestinian conflict.
We were able to broker a deal between the IRA and the UK which involved similar mutual tribal/religious hatreds.
In that conflict we were seen as honest neutral mediators.
A similar position re the middle east may work if we are seen as neutral, otherwise it is up to the UN and I do not think that Israel will like their approach.
Anyway we need to husband our resources and we cannot afford much foreign aid for the next five years.
That may focus the attention of all parties who have been living off our dime and bring them to the table.
It is time for a tough love approach IMHO and fast.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 1, 2009 at 8:14 am

Sam: yes, we have a great and loyal base in the Middle East should we ever need it for military launches. That is priceless.

Sharon: You have to be joking. You actually believe that the IRA was raised with TV cartoons depicting the other "tribe" as people who killed Mickey Mouse's parents, eat babies and who need to be annhiliated off the face of the earth?

No, the situation between the brainwashed blind and murderous hatred of the Arabs in the middle east against Israel and Jews is nothing like the IRA and UK. That is why it was ultimately resolvable.

And even beyond that, to think that we had any credit in resolving IRA/UK is laughable.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 1, 2009 at 1:06 pm



Actually there is a great deal of similarity between the situation with Israel and Palestine and the UK/IRA if you know any of the history.
There where atrocities committed on both sides in both conflicts

For example
"The Irish War of Independence was a brutal and bloody affair, with violence and acts of extreme brutality on both sides. The British sent hundreds of World War I veterans to assist the RIC. The veterans at first wore a combination of black police uniforms and tan army uniforms (because of shortages), which, according to one etymology, inspired the nickname Black and Tans. The brutality of the "Black and Tans" is now legendary, although the most excessive repression attributed to the Crown's forces was often that of the Auxiliary Division of the Constabulary. One of the strongest critics of the Black and Tans was King George V. When the Lord Mayor of Cork Terence MacSwiney lay dying on hunger strike the King personally intervened to try to get MacSwiney's release from jail.

Typical British reprisals included the burning of houses and businesses, the owners of which occasionally had no connection to the IRA. In addition, after August 1920, the British began executing IRA prisoners. The IRA responded by killing British prisoners. Spies and suspected spies were shot by the IRA and publicly dumped on roadsides.

The most high profile atrocity of the war took place in Dublin in November 1920, and is still known as Bloody Sunday. In the early hours of the morning, Collins' "Squad" assassinated 14 British agents, some in front of their wives and families. In reprisal, that afternoon, British forces opened fire on a football crowd at Croke Park, killing 14 civilians. Towards the end of the day, two prominent Republicans and a friend of theirs were arrested and killed by Crown Forces."Web Link

The peace was brokered by the USA and one of the 4 commissioners still overseeing the 2003 treaty is Dick Kerr, former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency.Web Link


Facts are sometimes difficult to face, but history is history.


If we are going to get involved in the tribal disputes in the Holy Land then we should approach it as we did the UK/IRA treaty, we were successful with that approach.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 1, 2009 at 1:32 pm


In fact Obama has appointed the same Senator who brokered the peace in Northern Ireland to apply the same approach to the Holy Land

George J. Mitchell Web Link


I disagree with Obama on many things, but this is a very good move on his part.

Well done


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Mar 1, 2009 at 5:35 pm

Why is the US giving $$$ to "both sides" in the Middle East? I say get the US out of it. I am tired of having a bullseye on my back as an American travelling in the world...


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 1, 2009 at 6:41 pm

There is a strong argument for the US to not get embroiled in tribal disputes that do not further our best interests, we could declare a plague on both their houses and save a very great deal of money.

If we are going to give it one last shot we should apply an approach that worked in N Ireland, a very similar situation to that in the Holy Land.
This week, Mitchell Clinton and Tony Blair are all there, Mitchell and Blair crafted the solution to the tribal/religious dispute in N Ireland and Bill Clinton kicked the whole process off.

If the Israelis and the Palestinians do not come to heel we should cut them both off from further aid and let them stew in their own mess.
They will end up with a one state quagmire that will be resolved by demographics in the Palestinian favor if they have any form of Democracy, if Lieberman prevails they will have a racist S. African like regime and pariah status.
This will last for a while, put it too will fail and demographics will determine the outcome as they always do.

We have many more important things to worry about in the current economic train crash. we need to pursue our own best economic and national security interests, not that of aliens.


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 2, 2009 at 7:30 am

Will we cut of the ISraelis, Sharon? I doubt it
Big support is a major cornerstone of the Republican Party--they hammered Obama by claiming he would not continue to support Israel. You claim to want to "put Israel in it's place", yet on other threads you bash Obama and solidly support the republicans. So which side are you on?
Why are you trying to stir the pot?


Posted by samuel, a resident of Stanford
on Mar 2, 2009 at 1:10 pm

The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama.

Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago's Palestinian immigrant community, describes itself as working to "empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities."

It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open borders and education for illegal aliens.

Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat,
petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.Web Link


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 2, 2009 at 11:05 pm

"Mrs Clinton's two days of talks will start in Jerusalem on Tuesday before she is due to meet Palestinian Authority President Mahmood Abbas in the West Bank on Wednesday.

The US is Israel's closest ally but there are fears of potential clashes between the two countries.

Israel's Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu will not openly commit to a two-state solution to the conflict.

Meanwhile, the US is critical of Israel's continued building of Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

Our Middle East correspondent Tim Franks says the relationship between the US and Israel may become a little less warm."

I think frozen is more accurate

Obamas initiatives with Iran and Russia are a 180 degree change, he hates Bibi and Clinton is now free of intimidation from AIPAC

Who knew? maybe Bill, follow the money.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 4, 2009 at 7:45 am


I see Clinton is launching the new Obama Mid-East Initiative with a bang


"
Clinton criticises Israeli breach of 'road map'
(Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticised on Wednesday Israel's plans to demolish dozens of Palestinian homes in Arab East Jerusalem as a violation of its international obligations.

"Clearly this kind of activity is unhelpful and not in keeping with the obligations entered into under the 'road map'," Clinton said, referring to the long-stalled peace plan.

"It is an issue that we intend to raise with the government of Israel and the government at the municipal level in Jerusalem," she added at a joint news conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."Web Link


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 4, 2009 at 7:16 pm

Do we want to get dragged into the middle of this? Clinton and Obama apparently believe not

- "Israel is seriously considering taking unilateral military action to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, according to a report by top US political figures and experts released Wednesday."

"Even without testing a nuclear weapon or declaring the ability to do so, Iran's progress toward nuclear weapons capability is already having a substantial impact on the Middle East," it says. "Time is short if diplomatic engagement is to have a chance of success." Web Link


Posted by R Wray, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 5, 2009 at 10:42 am

We should give Israel our moral support. We should recognize that there are two sides: one black and one white. The Palestinians and their supporters reject all western values. Israel, though not perfect, generally accepts these values. Treating both sides as moral equals is a mistake, and deals such as land for peace have been shown to get no where. The only solution is a military one where Israel does what we did to Japan in WWII. Unfortunately, Israel has apparently lost its moral will to do what is necessary.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 5, 2009 at 11:52 am

"follow the money"..

yup, that $50,000,000 of conflict of interest payments to Bill are coming home to roost with Hilary. A complete about-face for her since her New York days, and in accordance with her boss's wishes.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 7, 2009 at 8:34 am



More hot water, this time over Obamas appointment of Chas Freeman

The Democratic Congressional leadership may be on the verge of coming out and taking public whacks at Chas Freeman, the Obama administration's pick for the key post of National Intelligence Council chief who is taking fire from the pro-Israel lobby and neocons over his foreign ties and criticism of Israel.

This has the potential to become a major problem.

The White House hasn't really publicly defended Freeman, and the question of whether the White House will stick by him is emerging as a key test of whether the Obama administration will buck the pro-Israel lobby and the neocons who are turning up the heat on him.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 7, 2009 at 5:00 pm

Neocons? exactly which Democrats are NeoCons?

Never forget..Obama doesn't need the approval of a single Republican to do appoint anyone, nor to pass almost any bill.

So, what is the problem?


Posted by food for thought, a resident of another community
on Mar 8, 2009 at 7:16 pm

For those of you who think Israel is our friend, I suggest you take a look below at the video about the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. They tried to blame it on Egypt, but they unfortunately left survivors to expose the truth to the world. Here the truth about Israel's attempt to get us into another conflict many years ago and think about what is happening to the USA today. I think you might find it interesting considering the Israelis now got us into Iraq, Afghanistan and possibly Iran in the future. Think about who is giving you the orders and what are there motives. Did you know that Wolfowitz, Pearl, Leiberman, etc. are Jewish? There is even evidence that the Bush family is Jewish as well. So, are our boys dying to protect the USA or an Israeli agenda?

youtube.com/watch?v=fRZSzdQuOqM


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 8, 2009 at 7:42 pm


Thing are getting hotter in Iran--

"In a chilling indication that Iran's arms program is advancing steadily, Israel acknowledged for the first time that Teheran had mastered the technology to make a nuclear bomb on the same day that the Iranians announced they had successfully tested a new air-to-surface missile. "Web Link

Meanwhile in North Korea--

" PYONGYANG/BEIJING, March 9 (AP) - (Kyodo)—North Korea warned Monday that any move to intercept what it calls a satellite launch and what other countries suspect may be a missile test-firing would result in a counterstrike against the countries trying to stop it.

"We will retaliate (over) any act of intercepting our satellite for peaceful purposes with prompt counterstrikes by the most powerful military means," the official Korean Central News Agency quoted a spokesman of the General Staff of the Korean People's Army as saying.

If countries such as the United States, Japan or South Korea try to intercept the launch, the North Korean military will carry out "a just retaliatory strike operation not only against all the interceptor means involved but against the strongholds" of the countries, it said.

"Shooting our satellite for peaceful purposes will precisely mean a war," it added. "

Are these countries taking advantage of our perceived panic in the financial crisis?


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