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Speeders using Monroe Drive & Miller Avenue as Expressway

Original post made by Monroe Drive Resident on Nov 16, 2006

Currently on Monroe Drive and Miller Avenue in Palo Alto, we have a posted speed limit of 25 MPH. We also have "No Sidewalks" and daily stream of blatant speeding motorist sharing the road with "The Palo Alto Bike Path", "Monroe Park" (with swings and with children) and with "No Stop Signs!" A daily stream of Speeders; sharing the road with many children, many pets, joggers and bikes all on the streets day and night. These people are at risk! These residential streets have "No traffic enforcement and No traffic control! "

We have an ongoing problem of speeders using Monroe Drive & Miller Avenue as a short cut bypassing the stop lights at San Antonio Road and El Cammino Real. Every day.... morning and night we have a daily stream of motorists driving at speeds from 35 MPH to 70 MPH. After numerous attempts with The City of Palo Alto to make our streets safe for our families and children... The City of Palo Alto has not made even an attempt to enforce the speed limit! The city has not made even an attempt try to keep it's citizens on Monroe Drive and Miller Avenue safe from this daily stream of blatant speeders who are using our neighborhood as a commuter short-cut and expressway.

If.... we put enough stop signs or block the streets or add a few speed bumps in the straight sections of the road ( as they have done in other parts of Palo Alto ) To make it "not attractive" to use as a short-cut and expressway. Maybe...then we could all avoid any future injuries to the residents of Monroe Park from these speeders.

The fact is... we're all tax payers & property owners here... We pay the city to provide services and to keep us all safe. We can force the city to meet "their obligation" by citing the city charter "to provide a safe environment for our children and our families". We can get the results we need and as long as we don't believe the bureaucratic protocol and excuses that they give us not to treat Monroe Park as they do with other parts of Palo Alto; other areas with existing traffic control. As Tax payers and citizens of Palo Alto, we need to demand that the city to meet their obligation to keep our streets "as safe" as other streets in Palo Alto. Before any more people and pets are hurt by speeding vehicles on residential streets... "Residential streets with no traffic enforcement and no traffic control!" We need to act!

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Posted by Drive safe, a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Nov 16, 2006 at 1:56 pm

Are these two streets actually in Palo Alto?
Anyway, the city should enforce the speed limit, however since these are public streets paid for by tax payer dollars, I am against trying to make the streets "not attractive" to drives (i.e. installing speed bumps and barriers).
No one wants traffic on their street--are you suggesting that the traffic be sent to another street? We all have to live with traffic. the speed limit and safe driving rules should be enforced by the police.


Posted by Monroe Drive Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 16, 2006 at 2:23 pm

Thank You for your Comment;
Yes, both streets are in Palo Alto. Motorists and Commuters trying to save a few minutes of time, by bypassing the main traffic signals at San Antonio and El Camino Real. By turning north on Miller Avenue and speeding through residential streets filled with many children pets and pedestrians... These streets have "No Sidewalks!" this is reckless and dangerous ! This is a residential area and not an Expressway!

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Posted by Drive safe, a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Nov 16, 2006 at 2:38 pm

Unfortunately your street is not the only one with these issues. the police never seem to have the manpower/desire to do this kind of enforcement work. That is too bad.
Maybe id they came out every so often people would see apolice presence and then drive more carefully. another suggestion is to take down license numbers and turn them over to the police--the police can not cite them because they did not witness the infractions, but they can warn the drivers.


Posted by Concerned about speeding for a long time, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Nov 16, 2006 at 10:43 pm

I am and have been concerned about speeding ,red-light running and other traffic violations in South Palo Alto for years. Complaints to the police actually bring threats and hostility from the police. They appear to be taking orders not to do traffic and other illegal activity actions in South Palo Alto. Warning! it is dangerous to complain about anything to the Police. Almost all are not residents and many are openlly hostile to Palo Alto residents. A sad state of affairs.


Posted by J.L, a resident of Ventura
on Nov 17, 2006 at 3:23 am

I've said it before. Lobby for camera surveillance of red-light, stop sign and croisswalk runners - and speeders. This is a no-brainer! It works!


Posted by Leslie, a resident of Palo Verde
on Nov 17, 2006 at 5:06 am

I live on Loma Verde and share your concern. People drive very fast and it is unsafe. I have noticed that in north Palo alto, round-abouts on streets that are similar in nature toMiller and Monroe (and Loma Verde) seem to be pretty effective. The round-abouts seem to put a natural pause in traffic flow so the speeders cannot build up any great amount of speed. Round-abouts would not be as potentially damaging to low slung vehicles as speed bumps are and are even attractive as they are usually nicely landscaped.

I wonder why they have not been considered in So. Palo Alto?


Posted by Carol, a resident of Palo Verde
on Nov 17, 2006 at 10:25 am

I love the idea of roundabouts. I hate the four way stops we have every so often with some of them being 2 way stops and you have to look at the other roads to see if they have stop signs before you go. I would rather be looking for traffic than other roads' stop signs.


Posted by Resident Monroe Park, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 17, 2006 at 10:46 am

That Fact is.... What we are talking about is public safety... (This is very important issue for all of us to document; Everything of what we are talking about and with whom in city government.) We want results.!!! All we are asking is for people to do their jobs... and for the City of Palo Alto to meet "their obligation" "To provide a safe environment for our children and our families". We Demand... to be treated in as equal a way, as other areas of Palo Alto. We pay for these services! We pay for these people to do their jobs.

Always... Make the people who represent The City of Palo Alto "accountable for what they say"! (Document what was said.... by whom.... and when it was said) Write it down!!! tell them that you are writing it down..! Ask if you can use a small voice recorder... Let them know that you are making them personal responsible for what they say to you. Ask for the correct spelling of their name.

(A) If the police say the don't have the man power to enforce our laws and protect it's residence. That is very important! (Document that! Who said it.... and when it was said.)
(B) If the police say it can't use Radar.... or can't do this or that..... (Document that too! Who said it.... and when it was said.) ask it you can use a small voice recorder... let them know that you are making them personal responsible for what they say to you.

In order for government to work..... All people that represent The City of Palo alto have to be accountable for their actions and for what they say!!!!

We have a dangerous condition that exists today!!! We need results today!!!! Not more BS ! Think.... If we called the Palo Alto Fire Department about a dangerous situation that existed in our neighborhood, do you think that they would say that they couldn't come you because they didn't have the manpower? No! But, the Police do? The fact is... They're obligated by their charter... to serve and protect! Just like the Fire Department is!

(1) We want our streets safe for our children in "residential areas".
(2) We want our traffic laws enforced in "residential areas".
(3) We pay the police and city officials from our taxes to perform these tasks in "residential areas".
(4) We are all raising important issues that are legal liabilities to the City Of Palo Alto.
(5) When injuries do occur from result of the dangerous existing conditions that we have all continually been notifying the city about. It is duly Noted: The City of Palo Alto was fully warned about the problems but, chose to do nothing and ignored "their obligation" and their citizens continual demands to repair these problems and to keep it's streets safe.

(6) The City of Palo Alto has chosen to take a position of negligence in addressing these important issues. By doing that, The City is financially liable for action it takes and liable also it's deliberate lack of action it chose in addressing these issues. Also, noting personal responsibility for any the city of Palo Alto employees who ignored "their obligation" to protect and to serve it citizens by ignoring it's residents calls about unsafe and dangerous conditions. This all needs to be fully documented! Otherwise it's just more bureaucratic protocol excuses. Remember the city of Palo Alto and it's employees are all accountable and responsible for what they say, for what they do and, for what they choose not to do! "Document everything!" Then you will see results!

( for "Public Record" You should post all your results here.)


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 17, 2006 at 3:47 pm

I doubt that posts on the Palo Alto Online forum will effect the change you seek.

Have you organized your neighbors and approached city officials as a group with your issue?


Posted by Monroe Park Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 17, 2006 at 5:05 pm

Thank you for your comment,

(Please excuse the typos in the last post...)

To answer your question: Yes. Last year my neighbor started a very successful petition with all of the neighbors. But, when she approached the city she was met with the most typical bureaucratic red tape and excuses from the city government why they weren't going to do anything.

I feel and others feel that this is a dangerous situation that exists here. So this year I also started another petition including Monroe Drive, Miller Avenue and also including anyone who walks, rides on the streets that are affected here. I have gotten a lot of support. The difference I see is that what exists here, is a "safety and liability issue" with The City of Palo Alto and not just a traffic design issue as The City of Palo Alto tried to play it. We all are trying to communicate with the city that they have a dangerous safety problem here... But, they just continue to do nothing!

I feel that this issue needs to be rectified before any other pets and pedestrians or children fall victim to the current lack of Palo Alto City traffic enforcement & traffic control.

It is obvious... other neighborhoods in Palo Alto "closer to city hall" get much more attention than Monroe Park does. It seems all of our taxes are the same... All we want is equal representation and to have a safe neighborhood to live for our families and our community. This isn't rocket science!

P.S. The comment I made about posting the results on the site were generally for archival purposes.


Posted by Roberto, a resident of South of Midtown
on Nov 17, 2006 at 9:36 pm

We all have speeders in our neighborhoods. Why do you expect the City to take care of this? They didn't create the problem. Decades of TV ads and irresponsible attitudes have created this problem. Why don't you find the speeders and talk to them? They are probably your neighbors. This is a problem with society as a whole, and the people in City Hall don't have enough money or power to do anything about it. Everybody wants a cop on their block and in front of their school, but this is outrageously expensive. We need to change the way people act and think and have them take responsibility for themselves even if there are no cops around. That is the real solution, and the people who can implement this solution are YOU and other citizens, not the politicians. In the words of Pogo "We have met the enemy and it is us." Ugly, but true.


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 17, 2006 at 11:01 pm

So what is the solution that you and your neighbors have asked city hall to implement? I have heard you describe the problem, but not the specific fix you seek.


Posted by Monroe Park Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 18, 2006 at 3:18 am

RS You asked.... "What is the specific fix ? Please read the first post and third paragraph.


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 18, 2006 at 9:06 am

Sorry I see it, I was tripped up by the "Ifs" and "maybes"

Try proposing something a little more specific, like
The undersigned want a barrier at the end of Miller to mitigate the traffic problem.

I.E. try solving the problem for them and petition them for execution of your problem. If your neighborhood offers to share in the funding of it, it gets you even more. Do you have 66% of your neighbors wanting this problem solved?

Anyway this worked for me in a city I used to live in, we got street lights put in by getting 80% of the land owners agreeing to pay 50% of the cost and presenting it to the city.

We presented the issue: Safety
We presented the solution: Street Lighting
We presented the funding solution
We demonstrated buy in from the majority of impacted citizens of the neighborhood

Anyway good luck, I hope you are successful.


Posted by Monroe Park Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 18, 2006 at 9:33 am

To Roberto, the person who posted a comment, Two comments up:

Roberto, I have read what you wrote... I all Sounds so very much like I've heard it before???

Question: Roberto.... Do you work for The City of Palo Alto? ???????

Because Roberto, what you say sounds 100% like what the police have told us when we asked the Palo Alto Police Department to just send someone down here and ticket these speeders!

Roberto.... Do you work for The City of Palo Alto ????? or the Police Department????????

"If we don't enforce the laws we have... the word of law will mean nothing!" As it works out Roberto, some people "do need laws to be good neighbors". That's why... We need the police to live up to their obligation for "All of it's Palo Alto's neighborhoods": To live up to it's obligation "to serve and protect all it's citizens." That it the difference between living in a incorporated area in a city like Palo Alto or living an wilderness in an un-incorporated area with no services. The fact is... Roberto, we're all tax payers & property owners here... We pay the city to provide these services and to keep us all safe. The city needs to meet "their obligation" by living up to their promise " to provide a safe environment for our children and our families" in all areas of Palo Alto and in All Neighborhoods of Palo Alto.

Thanks for your comment... But I don't agree with your thinking. sorry...


Posted by PA resident, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 18, 2006 at 3:32 pm

Dear Monroe Park resident,
Sounds like you are doing all the right things - all I can think of is to recommend you continue pressing your case because maybe the squeaky wheel gets the grease...


Posted by Warren, a resident of University South
on Nov 18, 2006 at 5:46 pm

Yes, lets add speed bumps, because all of us with expensive luxary cars that ride extremely low to the ground really want to scrap up the bottom of our cars. I love the mentality of people in this town, teach your kids to not play in the road, and to look both ways before crossing. Or when they move out to college are you going to hold their hands then?


Posted by Driver, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 19, 2006 at 10:24 am

I had occasion to drive from down town Mountain View to Midtown Palo Alto on Friday at 5.00pm. This being something I would normally do anything to avoid, I decided on Middlefield as being a good route. As I turned on to Middlefield I was surprised to find myself in a group of cars all doing the speed limit. As we approached eat set of red lights, they changed just in time for us not to slow down to green. We did not have to stop at one red light until we got across San Antonio. Then the very same cars started increasing speed and chasing each other to the next set of red lights. We had to stop at every set of lights until we came to Midtown where I turned off. Now these savvy drivers all knew the routine presumably because they drove everyday and knew how to work it. What it meant was less frustration, less speed, and probably overall a faster drive time.

Now if Mountain View can synchronise their lights on major arteries, then why can't Palo Alto? With all the complaints about speeding and taking short cuts to avoid lights, wouldn't it be much simpler to synchronize the lights and keep everyone happy????????



Posted by js, a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 19, 2006 at 10:26 am

Why doesn't Palo Alto use speed cameras on all streets that have a high percentage of cars exceeding the speed limit? This should go for the main arterials as well as small side roads. We might then be able to reduce speeding across all of the city.
Any time you travel from Willow onto Middlefield you will see the speed monitor there anounce to cars in front that they are doing well over 35 mph in a 25 mph zone and there is no consequence to the drivers.

In the end, the city really just doesn't care about speeding or cameras would be there already. Good luck! In the end you might get a couple of "no right turn" signs go up.


Posted by Resident of Monroe Park, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 19, 2006 at 12:09 pm


You know Warren, that fact is... some people don't need laws or speed bumps to be good neighbors. But the truth is.... some people do need to be reminded that they should be good neighbors and obey the laws and drive not endanger the people who call that street home.

So with that in mind...lets add do speed bumps, because Warren I have a very expensive luxury car too, and yes it also rides extremely low to the ground. It also has very good German suspension and I seem to have no problems with a few speed bumps... if I drive the speed limit. Remember... It is a residential area not an Expressway!


Posted by Alan, a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 19, 2006 at 12:14 pm

>>Now if Mountain View can synchronise their lights on major arteries,
>> then why can't Palo Alto?

I do believe that the lights on Middlefield between the Mitchell Park area and Midtown are synchronized. On weekends (don't drive in that area during the weekday), I've frequently been able to go at the speed limit and not to have to stop. While at the same time cars going 35 are stopping at each light.

Try it sometime. It works for me on weekends.


It does seem like other areas of Palo Alto are not synchronized though.


Posted by Neighbor, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 22, 2006 at 4:51 pm

The 25 mph posted signs on many streets are meaningless. State law requires that the speed limit be the 85th percentile of the average speed on that street, and that is usually more than 25 mph. Speeding tickets and other traffic violations are governed by the State. You pay your traffic tickets to the State. It is the State Courts you appeal to if you want to challenge a speeding ticket.

The only thing local governments can do is provide "traffic calming". The State allows you to travel along any Street at 25 mph. "Speed bumps" restrict vehicles to less than 25 mph so they are not used anymore. "Speed tables" are installed on some streets. If you want to learn more about "traffic calming", Palo Alto has a lot of information under "traffic".


Posted by Monroe Park Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 23, 2006 at 3:19 am


To enforce the posted speed limit of 25 MPH in a residential area by providing Palo Alto Police units the responsibility to ticket those speeders and protect it's citizens risk of serious injury or death." is mandatory. " To do nothing to enforce those existing laws is a violation "To Serve and Protect" the people of Palo Alto. The city is mandated to enforce those laws! This is not an episode of "Road Warrior"! We live in and incorporated area with existing laws that need to be enforced!

These violations are real everyday occurrences here !!! Because of Speeders on Monroe Drive and Miller Avenue the children and pedestrians are at physical risk of serious injury or even death. For the city to do nothing is a crime and a huge liability.

THE QUICK FIX: Speed bumps, stop signs, re-routing traffic.. AND Yes.... also Speeding Tickets! are the only solution to the problem.

The current situation in Monroe Park has created a huge liability because of the city's choice to choose to do nothing to protect it's public. With all the existing years of documentation and complaints from Monroe Park about speeding traffic including existing video documentation of interaction of speeders and children pedestrians on those streets in question. All that documentation and information from the community placed hands of next victim's attorney.... The next problem the city faces will be a huge liability suit for damages for negligence.... for doing nothing.


Posted by Parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 24, 2006 at 11:44 am

My son has just started basketball practices in a gym in Menlo Park. This gym is situated in an area where the only way to get there is through a maze of residential streets. These streets are between Marsh Road and "little Mexico" and are full of mini roundabouts, one way through barriers. It is impossible to drive even at 25 mph around these streets. Now my point is that this is a very difficult gym to get to and I would much prefer to be able to get there without going through a residential neighborhood, but looking at the map it is impossible. These streets were probably at one stage full of people breaking the speed limit and are now full of people having to get through the maze to this industrial area and gym by frustration. Menlo Park has done a great job of making these roads unattractive to through traffic and if it can be done there, I am sure it can be done here. However, I don't want the type of barricades that were put in the traffic calming plan in downtown that just diverted traffic back into other areas. So lets try and calm down and come up with some sensible ideas. Ticketing violaters may work but I suspect that just as many residents would get ticketed in their own street as short cut takers. Mini roundabouts that slow the steady stream of traffic allowing access to delivery trucks to the area, garbage trucks etc. and the actual incovenience of driving around them may be a better option.


Posted by levaquin, a resident of Greenmeadow
on Nov 27, 2006 at 2:36 pm

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Posted by Resident of Monroe Park, a resident of Monroe Park
on Nov 27, 2006 at 6:03 pm


I have been shooting hours of time-lapse video of the intersections of Monroe Drive and Miller Avenue and see a definite pattern... Morning weekday commute mostly the same traffic pattern: vehicles turning off of Del Media turning north on Miller and accelerating " speeding traffic " stops only " at one stop sign " and then accelerating again... drives by the swing sets at Monroe Park "not stopping" still accelerating... crossing the Palo Alto Bike Path at the same time... taking a hard left turn and still accelerating onto Monroe Drive and then still accelerating all the way to El Camino Real ( reaching speeds 45 + 70+MPH).

In the Evening Commute Home: The pattern reverses...

During Mid Day: The volume of traffic is less... But, the pattern of speeding traffic still continues.

Night & Late Evening Traffic: The traffic volume is less but, in many cases at Racing speeds exceeding 70+ MPH and running the stop signs is a Common Practice .
(also Late Might & Early AM traffic... Possible DUI Traffic... Avoiding Police.)


A DANGEROUS TRAFFIC PATTERNS:

The Dangerous intersection of Monroe Drive & Miller Avenue: the approaching vehicle accelerates and takes that turn on Monroe Drive at relatively high speed.

That vehicle does two things high speed...

(1) the driver tends to cut-off the corner to keep their speed up. That means they cut over into (oncoming lanes of east bound & south bound on-coming traffic).

(2) Then because they are speeding... that energy causes the vehicle takes the corner "WIDE" This wide turn cuts into "pedestrian areas." (there is no sidewalks or any place for a pedestrian or a group of pedestrians or a bike or child to go!


DANGEROUS EXISTING SAFETY CONDITIONS:

(3) There are no sidewalks!
(4) That intersection also has a park with swings and children that frequent that area . and
(5) That intersection also has heavy bike and pedestrian traffic because of the "PALO ALTO BIKE PATH" intersection and "PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE" is there too. ( a funnel of pedestrian and bike traffic!)



LACK ANY OF THE FOLLOWING PEDESTRIAN PROTECTION:

(6) NO... SIDEWALKS
(7) NO... STOP SIGNS!!!
(8) NO... CROSSWALKS!!!!
(9) NO... SAFTEY CHILDREN PLAYING SIGNS!!!
(10) NO... STREET LIGHT!!!
(11) NO... ENFORCEMENT AT ALL.... NOTHING!!!!


THE QUICK FIX:

(A) A few Speed bumps, on Miller Avenue & the 400 block of Monroe Drive.

(B) A few more stop signs, on Miller Avenue & the 400 block of Monroe Drive intersections.

(C) Re-routing traffic away from that busy pedestrian intersection and bike path.. at Miller Park.

(D) Keeping the commuters on the "Main Transportation Routes of San Antonio & El Camino Real": discouraging short-cut speeding traffic on residential areas!

(E) To enforce our Laws and ticket violators & speeders & drunk drivers driving risking the safety and lives of families living in residential areas!

* A, B, C, D, & E Are the only solutions to the problem....

" For the City of Palo Alto "to continue to do nothing" after being forewarned... Is Negligence."


Years of Documentation... Years of Complaints from Monroe Park Residents about speeding traffic:

The current situation in Monroe Park has created a huge liability because of the city's choice to choose to do nothing to protect it's public. With all the existing years of documentation and complaints from Monroe Park about speeding traffic including existing video documentation of interaction of speeders and children pedestrians on those streets in question. All that documentation and information from the community placed hands of next victim's attorney.... The next problem the city faces will be a huge liability suit for damages for negligence.... for doing nothing.


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 28, 2006 at 7:25 am

ok, I'll bite. Who have you taken this information to?
Names and titles.

thanks


Posted by Palo Alto Citizen, a resident of Midtown
on Dec 3, 2006 at 10:09 pm

There are procedures to go through to get traffic calming measures put in in a neighborhood. Go to the Palo Alto Web Site, go to Featured Sites and select Traffic (NTCP) and click on GO. The NTCP booklet is displayed and lists topics covering traffic calming measures and how to implement them.

A person can borrow a radar gun from the Police Dept. to monitor speeds in their neighborhood.

There are over 200 miles of roadway and over 400 intersections in Palo Alto. To cover this area there are between nine and thirteen police officers on duty at any one time. Also there are four to six officers assigned solely to traffic enforcement - usually only during daylight hours. In the Police Dept. Lt. Bob Beacom is responsible for traffic matters and can describe how the City and the Police Dept. can respond to traffic needs.

I recommend the Monroe resident get information and then proceed accordingly. Posting complaints on a blog may help to vent, but does not solve problems.


Posted by Monroe Park Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Dec 4, 2006 at 3:14 pm

Yes, A person can borrow a radar gun from the Police Dept. And Yes.... monitor speeds in their neighborhood. SO WHAT!!!! And a person can also borrow the Radar trailer TOO! SO WHAT!!!! Is that a remedy for people breaking that law??? No.... it all is a total waste of time! Ask yourself....... What good are laws.... if no one enforces them???? We all here have been down that road before.... We are all tired of the official BS that we have been given by the city while innocent children, pedestrians and pets "are all still at risk from unsafe law violators in this neighborhood. While the City of Palo Alto and the Palo Alto Police DO NOTHING!!!" This isn't the wild west! Let us not forget.... THIS IS PALO ALTO!!! Where we're at now= Hello Race fans.... Now here this!!! The city of Palo Alto Police refuses to ticket speeders on our neighborhood streets!!! MONROE PARK IS A RACE TRACK ..... THAT IS THE MESSAGE BEING SENT OUT TO EVERYONE!!! DON'T WORRY YOU CAN DRIVE LIKE A MAD MAN DOWN HERE.... AND ..... IT'S OK!!! NO ONE WILL GIVE YOU A TICKET!!!!

A lot of us pay $1000.00 + per month in taxes.... How about the paid city POLICE.... paying some attention to their tax payers in Monroe Park and THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILDREN & FAMILIES... b..... enforcing the speed limit here!!!!! WOW!!!! WHAT AN IDEA??? ENFORCEMENT OF THAT LAW.... WHAT A NEW CONCEPT!!!!

"Years of Documentation... Years of Complaints from Monroe Park Residents about speeding traffic"

" For the City of Palo Alto "to continue to do nothing" after being forewarned about the problem... Is Negligence."

The current situation in Monroe Park has created a huge liability because of the city's choice... "to choose" to do nothing to protect it's public.

With all the existing years of documentation and complaints from Monroe Park about speeding traffic including existing video documentation of interaction of speeders and children pedestrians on those streets in question. All that documentation and information from the community placed hands of next victim's attorney... The next problem the city faces will be a huge liability suit for damages for negligence.... for doing nothing.


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Dec 4, 2006 at 7:39 pm

who specifically have you complained to?


Posted by Resident Monroe Park, a resident of Monroe Park
on Dec 5, 2006 at 5:16 am

To: RS, What is the intent of your business to need to know?


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Dec 6, 2006 at 10:04 am

Perhaps I made a bad assumption.
I assumed you are looking for community discussion/help.
I am open to the possibilty I misunderstood your intent.


Posted by Resident Monroe Park, a resident of Monroe Park
on Dec 6, 2006 at 9:21 pm

Thank you RS, I am posting these issues here for a matter of public record as we proceed. Thank you for your interest and honesty.


Posted by A neighbor, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 8, 2006 at 8:21 am

Monroe resident is calling for the Palo Alto Police to issue more speeding tickets; what is the point, when you can go to Court challenge your speeding ticket, and get off.


Posted by Resident Monroe Park, a resident of Monroe Park
on Dec 8, 2006 at 1:35 pm

Regardless of what you think... to fight a speeding ticket takes time. First of all... It seems the majority of the violators are going to and coming from work. These people have to take time from their work to fight a ticket.... So in the real world... most people don't have the time to fight these tickets, especially if the party knows that they were speeding in the first place. So in reality... It is not as easy as you say it is. Secondly; the point of issuing tickets in the first place is an attempt to get motorists to realize that there is a speed limit of 25MPH and to SLOW DOWN! The main point of contention here is... Currently on a street with no sidewalks with heavy pedestrian, bike traffic and, also children... There is no valid reason to just let the "existing laws" be intentionally ignored and violated at the expenses of the safety of others. Which leads us to: For the City of Palo Alto "to continue to do nothing" after being forewarned year after year about the ongoing safety problem... Is Negligence. The current situation in Monroe Park has created a liability because of the city's choice... "TO CHOOSE" to do nothing to protect it's public.


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Dec 8, 2006 at 4:38 pm

A person can not be held liable for the criminal acts of others.
So just a heads up that while you might be disapointed at the city ignoring you, I dont think they can be found liable in a civil court for the illegal acts of drivers on your street.
You may want it to be so, but I think if you do a little research in this area even if someone gets hurt, the driver, not the city will bear the burden unless of course its an employee of the city driving the vehicle.


Posted by Steve Herrera, a resident of another community
on Dec 13, 2006 at 4:00 pm

To all who have posted here and who are reading this discussion,

My name is Sergeant Steve Herrera and I am the traffic supervisor for the Palo Alto Police Department. Despite what has been written about the Police Departments lack of interest, or enforcement in your neighborhood, it is simply not true.

We are governed by a strict set of rules as to where we can work radar and where we cannot. In places where we are not allowed, such as your neighborhood, we are only allowed to "pace" vehicles to get a speed reading. This involves following the violator for a distance that allows you to get a fix on their speed. Now I'm sure you can see where that is a problem due to the violator seeing us behind them, especially on a small street.

I have put the radar trailer out there to appeal to a drivers senses of what is right or wrong, and to slow down. I have had officers work the stop signs in the neighborhood to at least create an image to the offenders, that we are watching and they need to slow down.

There are avenues to request speed bumps and I am interested to know if you have followed them. Have you contacted the Transportation Division of the City of Palo Alto? Do you have copies of the documentation that you sent or their response?

I understand your anger and feelings that we just don't care. I think it is a little mis-placed. For those of you who live here I think that you will agree that we provide a high level of service to ALL of our residents.

Sgt. Steve Herrera


Posted by RS, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Dec 13, 2006 at 10:48 pm

Steve,

Independant of your abiity to ticket which I agree would be problematic.
Have you or your officers been able to validate any of the Monroe Resident's claims? I drove the street once after getting my car washed at Lozano's and doubted the 70+ MPH claim, but I assumed something was going on. What has been observed?

thanks


Posted by Monroe Park Resident, a resident of Monroe Park
on Dec 14, 2006 at 11:18 am

-------------- REAL FACTS or, REAL EXCUSES -------------------

Sergeant Herrera,

Yes, we have talked.... and I have also left numerous messages on your voicemail... Please understand.... I have nothing against you personally... But Steve,

If I can go into what you wrote above.

First: What... Quote: " is simply not true." ????

It is perplexing to me that you above state... that First: That everything that was written here was not true. Then.... you go on in the same paragraph and you state:
Quote: "We are governed by a strict set of rules as to where we can work radar and where we cannot. In places where we are not allowed, such as your neighborhood, "

Steve, then what's not true???? OK, lets let the facts speak for themselves then.

(1) The fact... "That speeders aren't ticked on Monroe & Miller Drive or in Monroe Park? Correct?"

(2) The fact... "Then, it's the Palo Alto Police Department's choice" to choose to let vehicles continue to break laws and blatantly permit exceeding the speed limit in that area? Correct?

(3) The fact... "Then, it's the Palo Alto Police Department's choice" to choose do nothing to enforce the laws "that would" protect it's public from speeders there?
Correct?

So then..... What's not true Steve?

If Then.... If that isn't true....

(A) Fact... Then.... Where are your records of any enforcement of those laws down here Steve????

(B) Fact... Then.... If that isn't true.... Where are your records of any speeding citations given down here Steve????

(C) Fact: The Truth is .... That's where the rubber meets the road Steve.... Not just "excuses" why you would like to protect the public.....You can't protect the people, citizens and children and who walk the streets here in danger of people who continue to choose to violate the laws "with impunity"....

So then..... What's not true???

FACT: All we want.... is to be safe! That is very simple and easy to understand!

FACT: We are all tired of "excuses" of why The Palo Alto Police Department's "choice" is an "Excuse"... just... to continue do nothing to protect it's public from speeders who continue to violate the laws "with impunity" here.

The Options:
When I first contacted you.... You came up with options; providing a citizen with radar gun or radar trailer... The reality of those options are very limited and are ineffective and seem only to be a distraction and a placebo to pacify the public's cries for the Police Department to enforce the speeding laws. The Truth is... providing a citizen with radar gun or radar trailer is it is not a valid excuse for "The Palo Alto Police Department's "choice" to continue to do nothing and to protect it's public by enforcing the existing seed laws here.

FACT: If the Palo Alto Police Department were truly doing their job enforcing the laws in all areas of Palo Alto... General topics like this wouldn't even exist.

Personally, I have other things to do in life than to make it my mandate and use my time to protect the people that walk down my street. But, after observing the existing conditions and talking with my neighbors finding that for years nothing was ever done by the city to correct this very dangerous situation that exists here. Even after petitions and years of complaints, nothing still was ever done. So, I also gave it a try... I called up Sergeant Steve Herrera (Who was a very nice person, who was doing his job as a lesion for traffic for the Palo Alto Police Department.) Yes.... I too got my Placebo Radar Trailer... which was not what I really wanted when I called... But, I also got the excuses from Sergeant Herrera why nothing could be done to enforce the laws, like what Steve has mentioned above: "We are governed by a strict set of rules" The choice from Sergeant Herrera to me was... was the trailer or nothing. I excepted the trailer and hoped for the best! But, I also called The City Of Palo Alto : (like others before me.... I moved forward to see if we could get traffic control like other areas of Palo Alto.... speed bumps, stop signs, a diversion to slow down the traffic here. But, from the beginning I got even more of the same bureaucratic excuses of why they couldn't do anything... The main one was... "We have no money in our budget." So, Yes... Just another bureaucratic dead end! But, in reality the truth was.... I was really shocked that I couldn't even get the City of Palo Alto Police Department to ticket one speeder here! Not even One!!!

As We can see....By Sergeant Herrera responses and the position of the Palo Alto Police Department to just let people to drive as fast as they want with out fear of any citation.... it appears it is sometimes easier to continue to hide behind "Excuses " like... "We are governed by a strict set of rules" and just continue to accept that as reality.
Than it is to deal with "The Real Issues" and "Real Safety Concerns... that affect "Real People... "

.
Currently on Monroe Drive and Miller Avenue in Palo Alto, we have a posted speed limit of 25 MPH. We have "No Sidewalks" and daily stream of blatant speeding motorists driving at speeds from 35-70+ MPH sharing the road with "The Palo Alto Bike Path", "Monroe Park" (with swings and with children) and with "No Stop Signs!" many children, many pets, many joggers and bikes all on the streets at all times of day and night. These people are all at risk! These residential streets have "No traffic enforcement and No traffic control! " That's the reality here... Sergeant Herrera... "Those Aren't Excuses." All those are Real Facts about... Real People... with Real Safety Concerns!!! Real issues... that need to be addressed today!


Posted by Terry, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2007 at 10:07 pm

Boy, Monroe Park Resident - I can see why you don't get that far, you are pretty annoying! The Sergeant didn't say everything posted was untrue - he said "Despite what has been written about the Police Departments lack of interest, or enforcement in your neighborhood, it is simply not true." And he describes the measures taken (and constraints on taking other measures). And then you go on and on with pretty wild hyperbole about the PAPD.

As he says, there are rules they have to follow. And there are forums to try to change the rules. And, as he points out, there are processes to get speed bumps (I notice they have put in bumps on Mayfield over by Briones Park).

So rather than ranting at the PAPD, maybe you can either try to get the rules changes or try to get speed bumps. Or try to brainstorm other solutions. But gosh, stop ranting, please.


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