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The Middle East Conflict

Original post made by Walter Sedriks, Downtown North, on Jan 19, 2009

The near impossibility of reaching peace in the Middle-East is reflected by almost every letter and post blaming exclusively either Israel or the Palestinians. In reality there is plenty of blame to go around, including most of the rest of the world, and especially the Arab states and the US.

The leaders of both of the main protagonists continue to show monumental stupidity. One wonders how long it will take leaderships like Hamas to abandon their death-cult mentality and realize that Israel is here to stay: Another 50 years? Or, for the Israeli leaderships to recognize that settlement policies have led to a situation where a two-state solution is close to becoming an impossibility: That a single state with a Palestinian majority is the likely end result. What then?

Even George Bush realized that a Swiss-cheese Palestine, like apartheid-era South Africa, is a ludicrous concept. Unfortunately the mainstream press manages to avoid publishing maps showing West-Bank settlements, so that most people have no idea of the settlement extent and are often astounded when they first see such a map e.g.,

Web Link

An interesting take on the current Gaza conflict is given by a former Israeli soldier, now a Professor at Oxford University, who concludes that Israel foolishly still continues to choose land over peace:

Web Link

Occasionally after exhausting periods of major conflict a window in time opens when solutions become possible, as happened in Ireland. With hopefully a strong push from our incoming administration, there's at least a tiny glimmer of hope that we are on the verge of a possible solution.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 19, 2009 at 3:34 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Civilization requires generally accepted rules of conduct of both individuals and nations. These rules are arrived at by consensus. Violation of those rules MUST bring adverse consequences or the rules are meaningless. Ever since Ike foolishly allowed Egypt to void the lawful lease of Britain and France to the Suez canal, Third World countries have claimed the right of a child to juvenile justice with no blemish on their permanent record; this even though their conduct was far worse than misdemeanor pranks. It is past time for the Arab world to grow up. It is past time for us to insist.


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Posted by Sedriks ir wrongiks
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 19, 2009 at 7:34 pm

Walter Sedriks--you are just bitter because they took out the traffic calming measures in Downtown North.
You didn;t know anything about that and you know less about the Middle east--stick to your strong suit--whining endlessly.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:19 pm

Ummm....settlement policies? You mean like the one where Israel handed over a huge ammount of Gaza land to the Palestinians, forcibly resettled their people behind the line into Israel, gave fully functioning and well-maintained nurseries and businesses to the Palestinians..

then watched as 6,000 rockets were launched from this same land, and all the businesses destroyed?

Israel has accepted the 2 state solution from the beginning..when will the Palestinians?


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Posted by Walter Sedriks
a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Dear "Perspective:" Thank you for verifying my first point. The problems the world faces are complex, and not all in black and white as President Bush saw them and as you appear to see them; that why I included the second Web Link – perhaps you might care to read it.


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Posted by interesting map
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jan 20, 2009 at 6:59 pm

Please post a map showing the locations of Arabs in Israel. Would that not be a fair comparison to Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza?


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Posted by Sedriks is wrongiks
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 20, 2009 at 7:57 pm

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Posted by sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2009 at 8:27 pm


I find the map of settlements very revealing, looks like a one state is inevitable solution.

Face the facts, we give a very very great deal of money to Israel every year, we need to asses the return on that money which is negative so far.

If Israel will not come to heal we need to cut them off, let the UN deal with the tribal problems between the Arabs and Israelis, it is no value or interest for the USA.

We should focus on diplomacy with Iran so that we control their oil rather than China.

Israel is not relevant to our interests in the region, they were during the cold war but that was decades ago.

We can use the money we give Israel better at home, they have 200 nuclear weapons (weapons of mass destruction) let them make peace with their neighbors and give up their colonies.

We need to cut the cord and stop enabling a dysfunctional, and expensive for us, relationship with a negative return on investment for us.

Enough is enough


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2009 at 9:43 am

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The money to Israel is compensation for their having given back most of the territory they gained while repelling the invasion of their territory. We match that payment with a payment to Egypt just because. Give Israel back the land they gained honorably and then stop the payments. Give Jordan back to the Palestinians.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Yes, I am sure "gray" works when you are being bombed from land you gave back..every time you give it back, it is used to bomb you..that is definitely the time for "gray".

I like the post of finding all the Muslim settlements in Israel. By the way, please note, Muslims are free to live safely and fully participate in Israel as equal citizens..how many Jews are free to live in any other Middle East nation, let alone as equal citizens?

Yes, some things ARE black and white. I am black and white about freedom and security.




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